Harry Potter Artbox Autographs

[AngusMacGyver]

Originally Posted by Dacubs

thanks guys...so possibly both are legit, it sounds like
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I would guess the second one is not, or at least not a legit lisenced autograph from artbox. Whether someone made a card and had her sign it or it's 100% fake I have no idea. All just my stupid opinion.

[daxwills]

Originally Posted by AngusMacGyver

I would guess the second one is not, or at least not a legit lisenced autograph from artbox. Whether someone made a card and had her sign it or it's 100% fake I have no idea. All just my stupid opinion.

I'm kinda stuck on the "why" part of this. Why fake that auto? It's not terrible valuable. Her IP signature is complex and hard to do. Emma Watson's signature is easy by comparison and worth way more money. Both are the same criminal penalty code I think. So why fake her when you can fake a big one? Especially when several of the big ones are easy to fake compared to her IP signature?

[jdandns]

Look at some of the other autographs on the page linked below, most showing her ornate cursive signature. On some of those, there are inscriptions she printed that match the letters on her HP autograph printed letters card quite closely.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tian...N_Att6vgPmWOwM

I would say the chance both cards are authentic and both signed by her personally is very close to 100%.

[the27guy]

In addition to a few rare auto cards I’d love to add a few of the rare wand cards, the coin /40 cards, the sorcerors stone card and any other really rare prop cards. Anyone have any or know anyone who might?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by daxwills

I'm kinda stuck on the "why" part of this. Why fake that auto? It's not terrible valuable. Her IP signature is complex and hard to do. Emma Watson's signature is easy by comparison and worth way more money. Both are the same criminal penalty code I think. So why fake her when you can fake a big one? Especially when several of the big ones are easy to fake compared to her IP signature?

"Why" is the easy part. I am not saying they are legit/fake either way. But as to why...

A fake Tiana Benjamin might sell for $50. And if the buyer later finds out its fake, probably wont do anything about it. As a $50 hit is easy enough to absorb.

A fake Emma Watson might sell for $5,000. And the buyer most likely will send it off to be slabbed and authenticated. So there is more risk to the forger. And if it does come back fake, the buyer most likely wont adsorb that. But would rather go after the seller.

Plus, one would be petty theft and a wrist slap if charges were pressed. While the other is a felony.

So many reasons to fake a bunch of $50 cards VS one $5,000 card.

[DynaEtch]

The Tiana Benjamin is indeed a headscratcher. The one I own is the basic printed letter version, but you see both, with perhaps the printed version slightly more common. It seems her normal signature, from after the artbox release to current, is the ornate version.

If we are going down the list of possibilities,

1.both real, signed by her during production
2.after release, fake card, real auto (for one of the versions)
3.after release, fake card and auto (for one of the versions)
4.during production, one of the versions wasn’t signed by her
5.during production, blanks left over, later signed

In order of most skeptical to most plausible imo,

3 makes no sense. If someone is trying to fake the entire card, why would you do a completely different auto than what the card is? You'd think they'd try to replicate it.

2 Im skeptical of, someone going out of their way to fake this artbox card, of all cards, only to then track her down to sign, on a large-scale no less.

5 also unlikely, for reasons similar to 2

4 crossed my mind, particularly with the basic printed version- I always thought that was an odd looking auto, neatly printed letters, and was that the one that isnt legit, since it doesnt match her regular sig. But this would call artbox into question and they seemed very legit, so hard to believe it.

1 she changed it during the process and signed them both. This is most likely although still confusing. nslists estimated she signed about 400. Maybe out of boredom, or as a joke to leave us wondering (that's working as here we are 17 yrs later debating it), or a misunderstanding and she thought originally was supposed to sign a printed name and then she corrected it to her real sig….or just randomly decided to change it mid-stack.

Only way to gather evidence to weed out some of those possibilities for sure besides her commenting on it is to open GoF boxes or find archival box breaks to see if indeed both examples have been pulled from packs. If so, and I suspect it is so, this would leave only #1 or #4 as possibilities. This evidence probably won’t exist for two reasons: 2005 was a long time ago, before much of any activity on blowout, and before people were posting videos of box breaks generally, so even if someone hit the long odds of hitting this particular card, evidence likely doesn’t exist or was lost. Also, today boxes are scarce and basically no one is opening them at around $500-$1500 a pop.

[webjon]

When I was following counterfeit non-sport autographs a significant number of the counterfeits were low end cards -- cards that at the time were worth $5-15.

I paid $4 for the bottom card when trying to determine if the middle card was questionable. . .

[Nonsports]

Good evening. I was curious as to what you think the value might be for the James & Oliver Phelps dual autograh card from the Goblet of Fire card series might be worth?

I am almost positive I have one somewhere and have been trying to find it - perhaps a value might make me look harder.

Thanks very much!

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Nonsports

Good evening. I was curious as to what you think the value might be for the James & Oliver Phelps dual autograh card from the Goblet of Fire card series might be worth?

I am almost positive I have one somewhere and have been trying to find it - perhaps a value might make me look harder.

Thanks very much!

Some other people might be better experts than me, but a lot of two separate autos of the Phelps in the HP artbox 2007 set sold on ebay for 300.

The fact the GoF is both autos on one card makes it more desirable imo, and also nslists estimates just 150 of the Phelps dual auto, which is pretty low for HP artbox and is another point going for it. Perhaps one thing going against it is the rather unusual picture, of them as old men after the rapid aging if I recall. It’s possible some might think the oddball depiction adds to value.

All things considered, I would say 400-600 could be an estimated range. Some of the veteran HP artbox collectors feel free to correct me if Im wrong.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Some other people might be better experts than me, but a lot of two separate autos of the Phelps in the HP artbox 2007 set sold on ebay for 300.

The fact the GoF is both autos on one card makes it more desirable imo, and also nslists estimates just 150 of the Phelps dual auto, which is pretty low for HP artbox and is another point going for it. Perhaps one thing going against it is the rather unusual picture, of them as old men after the rapid aging if I recall. It’s possible some might think the oddball depiction adds to value.

All things considered, I would say 400-600 could be an estimated range. Some of the veteran HP artbox collectors feel free to correct me if Im wrong.

The poau Weasley twin dual is high on my list. I’ve been trying to find one cheaper than the one that’s on ebay.

The GOf card is a nice card too but I personally prefer the two looking as they normally do rather than as old men.

It’s similar to the Sirius auto. He only has two single autos. One is from PoA and he looks normal. The other, he’s in the fire (GoF). I personally love the PoA (first product, great image, etc)

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by the27guy

The poau Weasley twin dual is high on my list. I’ve been trying to find one cheaper than the one that’s on ebay.

The GOf card is a nice card too but I personally prefer the two looking as they normally do rather than as old men.

It’s similar to the Sirius auto. He only has two single autos. One is from PoA and he looks normal. The other, he’s in the fire (GoF). I personally love the PoA (first product, great image, etc)

I know exactly what you mean. I actually have the GoF Sirius in the fire (partly bc I don’t want to put down the $ for the PoA version, ha). It’s more about the auto for me and the condition of it (streaking etc) vs the pic, but I do understand how important the pic can be to many people. There is no question in the HP Artbox world the same person’s autos can realize quite different prices- be it because of pic, or the set (and scarcity of that particular card).

I’ve seen it with Dumbledore and Ron Weasley- their autos in Deathly Hallows don’t usually go for as much as, say OoTP. The pics are smaller and don’t stand out as much in the Hallows sets, plus they are later sets.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I know exactly what you mean. I actually have the GoF Sirius in the fire (partly bc I don’t want to put down the $ for the PoA version, ha). It’s more about the auto for me and the condition of it (streaking etc) vs the pic, but I do understand how important the pic can be to many people. There is no question in the HP Artbox world the same person’s autos can realize quite different prices- be it because of pic, or the set (and scarcity of that particular card).

I’ve seen it with Dumbledore and Ron Weasley- their autos in Deathly Hallows don’t usually go for as much as, say OoTP. The pics are smaller and don’t stand out as much in the Hallows sets, plus they are later sets.

That Sirius is a great card btw. He only has two total!!

But yeah, I have seen the same. It’s always a little strange to me when older doesn’t equal better. I personally place a significant value on older Hermoines, for example, but no question the OOTP Ones have sold for the most.

I prefer the poa and poau, but get that people like different things.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Nonsports

Good evening. I was curious as to what you think the value might be for the James & Oliver Phelps dual autograh card from the Goblet of Fire card series might be worth?

I am almost positive I have one somewhere and have been trying to find it - perhaps a value might make me look harder.

Thanks very much!

Dual PoA Weasley twins auto just sold for nearly 900 at auction on eBay.

Surprisingly high result, although as mentioned many people probably prefer it to the GoF. I’d estimate the GoF at least 500 based on that.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Dual PoA Weasley twins auto just sold for nearly 900 at auction on eBay.

Surprisingly high result, although as mentioned many people probably prefer it to the GoF. I’d estimate the GoF at least 500 based on that.

Yeah. It’s near the top of the list amongst all non big three cards.

Probably top five.

I’d have guessed $800 to a grand for the PoA and roughly half for GOf.

[maneonemo]

That 900$ Weasley card had some surface problems tho with ink or whatever smudged near the auto that probably discouraged some ppl.

[daxwills]

Originally Posted by maneonemo

That 900$ Weasley card had some surface problems tho with ink or whatever smudged near the auto that probably discouraged some ppl.

Off with it's head!

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by maneonemo

That 900$ Weasley card had some surface problems tho with ink or whatever smudged near the auto that probably discouraged some ppl.

The surface issues wouldn’t have been big for me personally (maybe since I don’t grade cards though). The autos look more or less fine.

The seller being in Australia might have deterred some buyers.

This being said, I think 900 is a pretty high sale for that card, being non-top 3.

[AceMcgase]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The surface issues wouldn’t have been big for me personally (maybe since I don’t grade cards though). The autos look more or less fine.

The seller being in Australia might have deterred some buyers.

This being said, I think 900 is a pretty high sale for that card, being non-top 3.

I remember them selling for low $200s in late 2020. I regret not picking one up

There was some amazing deals 2020-2021 this one seller was auctioning 50 cards per week for a few months. Got my OOTF gambon for $60 from them

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by AceMcgase

I remember them selling for low $200s in late 2020. I regret not picking one up

There was some amazing deals 2020-2021 this one seller was auctioning 50 cards per week for a few months. Got my OOTF gambon for $60 from them

Sheesh. I got into HP artbox at the wrong time apparently. I wont even say what I paid for my gambon.

[DynaEtch]

Picked up this Maggie Smith. Such a talented actress. I was waiting forever for one to come up that was semi-affordable. It’s been one of the tougher ones for me to get for whatever reason.

[Buckbeak]

Congrats on the pickup!

Maggie Smith played Professor McGonagall to perfection. That stern look on the card says a thousand words LOL.

On a side note, it seems the autograph market in general has started to cool off a bit. I'm also noticing fewer cards going up for sale in general, which is making challenging to continue to build out my collection!

[Buckbeak]

Congrats on the pickup!

Maggie Smith played Professor McGonagall to perfection. That stern look on the card says a thousand words LOL.

On a side note, it seems the autograph market in general has started to cool off a bit. I'm also noticing fewer cards going up for sale in general, which is making it challenging to continue to build out my collection!

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Picked up this Maggie Smith. Such a talented actress. I was waiting forever for one to come up that was semi-affordable. It’s been one of the tougher ones for me to get for whatever reason.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Buckbeak

Congrats on the pickup!

Maggie Smith played Professor McGonagall to perfection. That stern look on the card says a thousand words LOL.

On a side note, it seems the autograph market in general has started to cool off a bit. I'm also noticing fewer cards going up for sale in general, which is making it challenging to continue to build out my collection!

Thanks! It really does capture her persona well. She could be scolding Mad Eye Moody here haha (yea yea I know it's a different movie). I think the role of McGonagall was a bit narrow for such a brilliant actress, but given what she had to work with, she nailed it with the sternness and all.

I think maybe one reason the auction didnt end for as much as I thought it would is because the little ink dot...but Im not really a stickler for stuff like that, a sig is a sig at the end of the day. There does seem to be less of the big autos reaching the market these days.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Picked up this Maggie Smith. Such a talented actress. I was waiting forever for one to come up that was semi-affordable. It’s been one of the tougher ones for me to get for whatever reason.

#jealous

I need this one. Congrats!

[Buckbeak]

Who's ready for the HBO TV reboot of all 7 of the Harry Potter movies?!?!

I'm so glad they are going to remake each movie as an entire series on HBO instead of remaking the original movies for theatrical release.

With 10 hours (just a guess) to tell the story of each book (compared to 3 hours for the movies), HBO will be able to dive into so much more detail and add missed storylines the original movies igorned. I CAN'T WAIT!!

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/hbo-...tter-tv-reboot