Jalen Hurts - Why no love on Blowout?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by brock

LOL. You are a troll.

Dang JP, you've got a knock for upsetting the COVID card bois who joined the forum in mid-2020 and have "bro" in their username.

What is that? Three of them?

Fratbro, BRob1 and now brock?

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

That's a little harsh. He might be the best QB in the NFC depending on Arod.

guess we already forgot about Mr. Irrelevant?

[tconte]

I live in the Philadelphia area. Love the Eagles!
However, I don’t think there’s a lot of hobby love for Jalen. The fact is today’s players have way too many rookie card options. The card companies are quickly killing the hobby.


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[TheFrenzy]

Why is there so little love on Blowout?

That's easy.

He, like Burrow, posed a threat Patty.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Why is there so little love on Blowout?

That's easy.

He, like Burrow, posed a threat Patty.

Same way Brock Purdy did so we did the ritual to sacrifice the elbow

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Same way Brock Purdy did so we did the ritual to sacrifice the elbow

hahahaha that's terrible

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Same way Brock Purdy did so we did the ritual to sacrifice the elbow

um...is that a doll he is pulling?

[Frankp2311]

Did he win the SB?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

um...is that a doll he is pulling?

Secrets of the Mahomies-cult cannot be divulged without a sacrifice of your finest Mac Jones bass.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Secrets of the Mahomies-cult cannot be divulged without a sacrifice of your finest Mac Jones bass.

I'm planning on retiring from my Mac Jones Base, so obviously can't sacrifice any.

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by tconte

I live in the Philadelphia area. Love the Eagles!
However, I don’t think there’s a lot of hobby love for Jalen. The fact is today’s players have way too many rookie card options. The card companies are quickly killing the hobby.


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Does he have a big hobby following with the eagle fan base? Not sure what Philly fans are like with respect to sports card collecting for their own teams. If I were a Philly fan, I would be pretty excited about him and the young group of receivers he has.


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[tconte]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Does he have a big hobby following with the eagle fan base? Not sure what Philly fans are like with respect to sports card collecting for their own teams. If I were a Philly fan, I would be pretty excited about him and the young group of receivers he has.


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I'm not sure. I don't follow modern football like I do baseball or basketball.
Most of my football collecting is vintage or 1980's to 90's. I do have a
few. A couple dealer friends in the area tell me they do move some Hurts
but his prices are not going crazy. He's definitely a great up and coming
star. Whether that translates to big increases in card prices is anyone's
guess.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by tconte

I'm not sure. I don't follow modern football like I do baseball or basketball.
Most of my football collecting is vintage or 1980's to 90's. I do have a
few. A couple dealer friends in the area tell me they do move some Hurts
but his prices are not going crazy. He's definitely a great up and coming
star. Whether that translates to big increases in card prices is anyone's
guess.

Could be that people are finally getting weary of throwing money as young QBs after the absolute collapse of markets for guys like Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, etc.

And sure, you can argue that Hurts has done more than Burrow, and is younger, and has been healthier, but he also carries the ball a lot more, and we've seen that turn into a hobby disaster in the past for a number of guys.

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Could be that people are finally getting weary of throwing money as young QBs after the absolute collapse of markets for guys like Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, etc.

And sure, you can argue that Hurts has done more than Burrow, and is younger, and has been healthier, but he also carries the ball a lot more, and we've seen that turn into a hobby disaster in the past for a number of guys.

Probably right. Lots of people got burned by Lamar Jackson as well, who seems to have some similarities to Hurts. Should represent some opportunity for Hurts collectors if you believe he has a long window for success.

Here’s a hot take. If the NFL changes the rules on the ability to push players from behind, that will negatively impact Hurts’ overall production. How many times did the eagles get a first down or a touchdown through that formation? It was nearly unstoppable and allowed them to extend a ton of drives. I mean, how many times did they extend drives in the Super Bowl alone with that QB sneak? Seemed like 5 to 10 times and we couldn’t stop it once.


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[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Could be that people are finally getting weary of throwing money as young QBs after the absolute collapse of markets for guys like Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Mac Jones, etc.

And sure, you can argue that Hurts has done more than Burrow, and is younger, and has been healthier, but he also carries the ball a lot more, and we've seen that turn into a hobby disaster in the past for a number of guys.

This! He seems like a system guy more than a long term blue chip star. Newton was built like a brick house and he faded quickly for a qb, maybe the lack of white hot popularity is because of that.

[graffiX]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Here’s a hot take. If the NFL changes the rules on the ability to push players from behind, that will negatively impact Hurts’ overall production. How many times did the eagles get a first down or a touchdown through that formation? It was nearly unstoppable and allowed them to extend a ton of drives. I mean, how many times did they extend drives in the Super Bowl alone with that QB sneak? Seemed like 5 to 10 times and we couldn’t stop it once.

Well to be fair, no one could stop it all year. I hope they change the rule, honestly. Where is the athletic ability if you have O line men just pushing you from behind? It reminds me of crowd surfing at a concert.

Or maybe they could expand the rule and then O linemen can just put a QB on their shoulders and run to the endzone (i.e. MasterBlaster style).

[MyckKabongo]

Two words: Running QB.

Plenty set the league on fire for a short while. Literally zero lasted. You've got a bunch of reasons why Hurts is different? Good deal, we were also told Newton and LamJax were diffrrent.

Two more: regression candidate.

Great defense, o line, running game, 2 #1 WRS. Charmin soft schedule. Everything around him went right. It all screams regression.

[gottagitdemjs]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Two words: Running QB.

Plenty set the league on fire for a short while. Literally zero lasted. You've got a bunch of reasons why Hurts is different? Good deal, we were also told Newton and LamJax were diffrrent.

Two more: regression candidate.

Great defense, o line, running game, 2 #1 WRS. Charmin soft schedule. Everything around him went right. It all screams regression.

Ding ding ding!!!! He's too dependent on the run as of right now. If he can start to pivot away from this, he'll have a chance to become more of an investment. Until then, he's Lamar Jackson 2.0.

[brock]

Originally Posted by Grid

From what JP posted:

Jalen Hurts - it’s time…
His prices seems relatively cheap considering his team appears, as of now, to be the best team in the NFC.
THOUGHTS? Where am I going wrong?

Jalen Hurts Prices
Birds are now 12-1. Hurts currently favored to win MVP.
So when is the big price increase coming?

Your thread. Hurts is awesome, why aren't his cards worth more? Where is the love! Why aren't more people making these threads? Which is just yet another thread asking the same questions.

The only difference is, your thread asked if its because people hate Eagles fans. And then you trashed a board member who said Hurts is getting mentions here. And here are some of those threads.

You sure are playing into the "Eagles Fans are Pricks" stereotype.

If you wouldn't mind pointing to the part in my original post where I referenced prices, I would be grateful. I actually tried to point out that while I like the eagles, I do not have a vested interest in JH cards so that we might NOT talk about his prices.

As I stated before, there are a few Hurts threads in existence, none that are well trafficked and none that are focused on the discussion topic of, "why doesn't BO like Hurts?"

I knew you guys would come... the gatekeepers... the know it alls... the miserable, can't be happy, complain when people make threads on an internet forum guys... the 'I don't know you' guys. You came and answered the call. I thank you for your participation.

On topic:

Cam Newton is a good example of 'what to fear' in a Hurts-like scenario, but I think that Newton started to become more focused on stardom and fame as he ascended. I hope that Hurts continues to "keep the main thing the main thing," and that he becomes so prolific in the pocket so that he doesn't need to run as often.

I also agree that the playmakers at Hurts disposal are often used to discredit him. Hard to disarm that argument as has he does have a very nice supporting cast and most of the key pieces on offense are locked in for the next few years.

Will be interesting to see how defenses adapt to him (with an entire off season of prep) after his successes this season.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by brock

If you wouldn't mind pointing to the part in my original post where I referenced prices, I would be grateful. I actually tried to point out that while I like the eagles, I do not have a vested interest in JH cards so that we might NOT talk about his prices.

Thread title "Jalen Hurts - Why no love on Blowout?"
Reason - Prices are a large driving force to posts here.

Originally Posted by brock

As I stated before, there are a few Hurts threads in existence, none that are well trafficked and none that are focused on the discussion topic of, "why doesn't BO like Hurts?"

Make them well trafficked or realize the answer to your question of "why no love" is because there's not a lot of money in him by people who would post messages supporting those investments.

Originally Posted by brock

I knew you guys would come... the gatekeepers... the know it alls... the miserable, can't be happy, complain when people make threads on an internet forum guys... the 'I don't know you' guys. You came and answered the call. I thank you for your participation.

I'm reminded of another sage member here who offered solid advice when these kinds of feelings happen:

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Pro-tip: The amazing thing about Blowout is that it's so big and active that you never really have to respond to idiots.

Nothing signals "new guy" on the board faster than someone taking something personally. If I had a dollar for every time someone made fun of me here, I could actually buy some Mahomes cards.

If you absolutely feel like you need to reply, just drop a vaguely dismissive statement followed by a " " and move on.

If mentioning multiple other threads is trolling and gatekeeping behavior to you, I'd highly advise not going into the weekly NFL threads next season and avoiding this thread's bumps during the times Hurts has a bad game.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by graffiX

Well to be fair, no one could stop it all year. I hope they change the rule, honestly. Where is the athletic ability if you have O line men just pushing you from behind? It reminds me of crowd surfing at a concert.

Or maybe they could expand the rule and then O linemen can just put a QB on their shoulders and run to the endzone (i.e. MasterBlaster style).

A+ for the MasterBlaster reference.

But I more picture Kyler Murray on some olinemen's shoulder.

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Probably right. Lots of people got burned by Lamar Jackson as well, who seems to have some similarities to Hurts. Should represent some opportunity for Hurts collectors if you believe he has a long window for success.

Here’s a hot take. If the NFL changes the rules on the ability to push players from behind, that will negatively impact Hurts’ overall production. How many times did the eagles get a first down or a touchdown through that formation? It was nearly unstoppable and allowed them to extend a ton of drives. I mean, how many times did they extend drives in the Super Bowl alone with that QB sneak? Seemed like 5 to 10 times and we couldn’t stop it once.


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The answer is they were successful 38 times over the course of 19 games. So not as often as you would think, but its nice to know the Eagles and Jalen are making the NFL change rules b/c the Eagles alone are so unstoppable on this play.

Being frank, taking away these 38 instances won't really take too much production away from Hurts.

[NSGJT]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

That's a little harsh. He might be the best QB in the NFC depending on Arod.

Well the NFC is inordinately bad at QB talent right now, and you/people also aren't considering that Stafford was hurt, Brady just retired, and Rodgers had a bad offense / might leave the conference.

Can we even name the top 5 QBs in the NFC right now? They're garbage. Let's pretend Rodgers goes to NYJ or LV, hypothetically:

1. Matt Stafford (healthy)?
2. Kirk Cousins???
3. Jalen Hurts???
4. Geno Smith potentially?
5. Dak Prescott? Derek Carr?

Meanwhile the AFC has: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar (possibly), Watson, Wilson, Lawrence, and likely will have the two 2 QB prospects Young/Stroud.

Yikes.

[brock]

Originally Posted by NSGJT

Well the NFC is inordinately bad at QB talent right now, and you/people also aren't considering that Stafford was hurt, Brady just retired, and Rodgers had a bad offense / might leave the conference.

Can we even name the top 5 QBs in the NFC right now? They're garbage. Let's pretend Rodgers goes to NYJ or LV, hypothetically:

1. Matt Stafford (healthy)?
2. Kirk Cousins???
3. Jalen Hurts???
4. Geno Smith potentially?
5. Dak Prescott? Derek Carr?

Meanwhile the AFC has: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar (possibly), Watson, Wilson, Lawrence, and likely will have the two 2 QB prospects Young/Stroud.

Yikes.

The lack of QB talent in the NFC certainly favors Hurts/Eagles in their attempts to return to the Super Bowl

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by NSGJT

Well the NFC is inordinately bad at QB talent right now, and you/people also aren't considering that Stafford was hurt, Brady just retired, and Rodgers had a bad offense / might leave the conference.

Can we even name the top 5 QBs in the NFC right now? They're garbage. Let's pretend Rodgers goes to NYJ or LV, hypothetically:

1. Matt Stafford (healthy)?
2. Kirk Cousins???
3. Jalen Hurts???
4. Geno Smith potentially?
5. Dak Prescott? Derek Carr?

Meanwhile the AFC has: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar (possibly), Watson, Wilson, Lawrence, and likely will have the two 2 QB prospects Young/Stroud.

Yikes.

Cousins above Hurts, who just finished 2nd MVP and the highest scoring losing Super Bowl team is funny.