✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Lester Hayes]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Neg him!

Don Draper:

i can't, eBay won't allow it until after a sale is finalized.

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Lots of big Ohtani's ended at auction tonight, I was wondering if his relative slumping at the plate plus the massive auction inventory would cause a major softening of prices.

Then he went 2/3 with a HR and 2 walks and he pitches tomorrow. And prices look strong from what I can tell.

PCP and Trueblue, yall have the nicest high end Ohtani collections on the board correct? I know PCP has taken some money off the table, don't know about trueblue. Both of you think we are too high right now based on your comments, am O correct?

I agree that we've come a long way quickly, but sentiment seems that one would be dumb not to sell Ohtani right now. Prices keep showing the contrarian move keeps working, namely buy at what's seems inflated prices because they will be higher in a week.

I know this can't go on forever, but there are still WAAAAY too many naysayers for me to think we don't have a ways to go once Shohei converts those people with continued performance.

Continued performance is the key, but it seems there's room to run as insane as that sounds.

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[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by Lester Hayes

he keeps digging:
hE dOeSn'T tRuSt mE is just... *chef's kiss*

Was it really that big of a steal? A PSA 10 went for 2k a day ago. This one was raw.

[Lester Hayes]

Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

Was it really that big of a steal? A PSA 10 went for 2k a day ago. This one was raw.

i dunno, define steal.
was definitely taking a risk as if it came back from PSA as anything less than a 9 i'd probably end up in the red, so i'm not entirely heartbroken; and it wasn't even Gold script.

(am i in Aesop Fables Sour Grapes territory here yet?)

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Lots of big Ohtani's ended at auction tonight, I was wondering if his relative slumping at the plate plus the massive auction inventory would cause a major softening of prices.

Then he went 2/3 with a HR and 2 walks and he pitches tomorrow. And prices look strong from what I can tell.

PCP and Trueblue, yall have the nicest high end Ohtani collections on the board correct? I know PCP has taken some money off the table, don't know about trueblue. Both of you think we are too high right now based on your comments, am O correct?

I agree that we've come a long way quickly, but sentiment seems that one would be dumb not to sell Ohtani right now. Prices keep showing the contrarian move keeps working, namely buy at what's seems inflated prices because they will be higher in a week.

I know this can't go on forever, but there are still WAAAAY too many naysayers for me to think we don't have a ways to go once Shohei converts those people with continued performance.

Continued performance is the key, but it seems there's room to run as insane as that sounds.

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I've sold pretty much all low-mid end, but I've kept most high-end serial #s and autos. Holding became a lot easier after covering the cost basis for my collection.

I think right now is an appropriate time to sell low to medium end cards. The allstar/HRD press has come to a close and there may be some fatigue in the market during the summer dog days. There is really no such thing as linear growth and I feel we are near a plateau or even some regression for many cards. I would be more confident if the halos were a winning team, but it's looking pretty tough with that pen and rotation. At what point will people start feeling the familiar Mike Trout MVP indifference?

Overall, I think if you're buying anything other than high-end/rare right now, you're taking a risk. I've started to take at least 50% of all sales and put it into TC 150 parallels (orange and better) and Bowman autos (base and color). I have never heard of anyone regretting consolidating upward for elite players.

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I've sold pretty much all low-mid end, but I've kept most high-end serial #s and autos. Holding became a lot easier after covering the cost basis for my collection.



I think right now is an appropriate time to sell low to medium end cards. The allstar/HRD press has come to a close and there may be some fatigue in the market during the summer dog days. There is really no such thing as linear growth and I feel we are near a plateau or even some regression for many cards. I would be more confident if the halos were a winning team, but it's looking pretty tough with that pen and rotation. At what point will people start feeling the familiar Mike Trout MVP indifference?



Overall, I think if you're buying anything other than high-end/rare right now, you're taking a risk. I've started to take at least 50% of all sales and put it into TC 150 parallels (orange and better) and Bowman autos (base and color). I have never heard of anyone regretting consolidating upward for elite players.

Thanks for your thoughts. I've been doing much of the same with my low/medium end, which in my world are the $10-$150 cards. I've sold probably half of that stuff in my collection and put some of it into a 2018 Bowman Chrome Refractor /499, and some Soto and Luis Garcia (Nationals) stuff I've been wanting to get.

You're right, nothing is linear and Ohtani's rise from Spring Training to the current level has not been linear either. I mostly held through those early pops and regressions as I believe in the man and those prices still seemed cheap to me at those past peaks. These last few runs I've started parting with some stuff to pay for what I have left, and like you I've basically been able to do that.

Agreed on the high end as well, if we sell that stuff we may never be able to get it back. I haven't considered touching any of my "high end" items which in my world are $200 - $1,500 or so cards, mostly parallels I believe have long term appeal and demand with a more limited supply.

That said I can see $200 base Topps Chrome 150s at some point in the not too distant future, and so hold a good portion of that kind of stuff still with the hope of cashing in bigger later.

Very risky I know, and against conventional wisdom for sure. I just believe that much in the story of Shohei.

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Just an FYI, my comments on price action and sales timing is NOT meant as a jab against PCP's amazing sales over the last month. If I had the amount of jaw dropping Ohtani he had/has I would've absolutely taken a good amount of profits as many here have stated, it would be life changing money for me. I know PCP has held back a TON of other jaw dropping stuff as well.

It's just fun talking to you guys about this stuff to be honest. One of my favorite things right now with what Shohei has been doing is keeping up with this very thread.

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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by redauto5

I know this can't go on forever, but there are still WAAAAY too many naysayers for me to think we don't have a ways to go once Shohei converts those people with continued performance.

Yes I've been saying this for a while. I still think that a good chunk of baseball collectors are spending no money on Ohtani and putting their elite tier allocation into Guerrero/Tatis/Acuna. I'm not so sure that seismic shift will come from just an MVP. If he gets a couple months into the next season still performing at this level is when the tides will start turning.

But at this point we are too close to the offseason for me to buy anything. I'll take the lockout fear discount when it comes in December. Hard for me to believe nearly everything won't be cheaper than it is now. If it was a typical offseason, I wouldn't be so sure. If you want something super rare, like a red refractor, you have to bite the bullet and buy it if you see it. But anything that you think is likely to come up for sale within a 2 month offseason window, I think it's crazy to buy now.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

You did good tonight. I think you got great prices on the PSA sapphire and HMT1 red. Good timing for him to hit that home run.

Thanks! I went to bed before the auction ended and when I woke up this morning, I was pleasantly surprised at the sales including the Heritage Gold Refractor BGS 8.5 which ended at $10,100 and the Transcendent Japan Platinum which ended at $14,600. My Soto and Acuna lots (except the Acuna TU Black) also did better than I expected. When I consigned 26 baseball cards (Ohtani, Soto and Acuna) in May for the July auction, I was expecting 75K on them but they fetched ~$131K. Soto's recent performance also helped. Perhaps the recent sale of MJ 1986 Fleer PSA 10 for $840K and the euphoria surrounding it had an impact on last night's sale?

EDIT: I ended up consigning both of my BC Orange Refractor Autos (Pitching and Batting) with Goldin after the recent sale of 125K. I do not need the money but the current prices are too tempting. I would rather reinvest the profits somewhere else where it is less risky.

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks! I went to bed before the auction ended and when I woke up this morning, I was pleasantly surprised at the sales including the Heritage Gold Refractor BGS 8.5 which ended at $10,100 and the Transcendent Japan Platinum which ended at $14,600. My Soto and Acuna lots (except the Acuna TU Black) also did better than I expected. When I consigned 26 baseball cards (Ohtani, Soto and Acuna) in May for the July auction, I was expecting 75K on them but they fetched ~$131K. Soto's recent performance also helped. Perhaps the recent sale of MJ 1986 Fleer PSA 10 for $840K and the euphoria surrounding it had an impact on last night's sale?

EDIT: I ended up consigning both of my BC Orange Refractor Autos (Pitching and Batting) with Goldin after the recent sale of 125K. I do not need the money but the current prices are too tempting. I would rather reinvest the profits somewhere else where it is less risky.

So awesome. Congrats!

[mcpheely]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks! I went to bed before the auction ended and when I woke up this morning, I was pleasantly surprised at the sales including the Heritage Gold Refractor BGS 8.5 which ended at $10,100 and the Transcendent Japan Platinum which ended at $14,600. My Soto and Acuna lots (except the Acuna TU Black) also did better than I expected. When I consigned 26 baseball cards (Ohtani, Soto and Acuna) in May for the July auction, I was expecting 75K on them but they fetched ~$131K. Soto's recent performance also helped. Perhaps the recent sale of MJ 1986 Fleer PSA 10 for $840K and the euphoria surrounding it had an impact on last night's sale?

EDIT: I ended up consigning both of my BC Orange Refractor Autos (Pitching and Batting) with Goldin after the recent sale of 125K. I do not need the money but the current prices are too tempting. I would rather reinvest the profits somewhere else where it is less risky.

Congrats! And we all know you still have that 9!

[jgb1219]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks! I went to bed before the auction ended and when I woke up this morning, I was pleasantly surprised at the sales including the Heritage Gold Refractor BGS 8.5 which ended at $10,100 and the Transcendent Japan Platinum which ended at $14,600. My Soto and Acuna lots (except the Acuna TU Black) also did better than I expected. When I consigned 26 baseball cards (Ohtani, Soto and Acuna) in May for the July auction, I was expecting 75K on them but they fetched ~$131K. Soto's recent performance also helped. Perhaps the recent sale of MJ 1986 Fleer PSA 10 for $840K and the euphoria surrounding it had an impact on last night's sale?

EDIT: I ended up consigning both of my BC Orange Refractor Autos (Pitching and Batting) with Goldin after the recent sale of 125K. I do not need the money but the current prices are too tempting. I would rather reinvest the profits somewhere else where it is less risky.

Wow - congrats PCP. Out of curiosity where do you draw the line between selling on PWCC vs Goldin?

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

So awesome. Congrats!

Originally Posted by mcpheely

Congrats! And we all know you still have that 9!

Originally Posted by jgb1219

Wow - congrats PCP. Out of curiosity where do you draw the line between selling on PWCC vs Goldin?

Thanks everyone. I usually consign cards worth more than 50K with Goldin. I have also consigned cards worth less than 50K in the past but they were scarce/rare (print run of 50 or less)

[seanrs1]

Thought experiment. If Ohtani at the end of the year has 49 HR with a his current average and ends up with an ERA of 3.75 and Vladdy Jr. wins the triple crown who do you think would win MVP?

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Thought experiment. If Ohtani at the end of the year has 49 HR with a his current average and ends up with an ERA of 3.75 and Vladdy Jr. wins the triple crown who do you think would win MVP?

Honestly it’s Vlad unless you are going to give Ohtani the MVP out of the sheer novelty of being a two way player. In this case, you would have to give Ohtani the MVP virtually every year by default. I don’t see this happening. If Ohtani bumps up his average a bit and is neck and neck with Vlad or tops him in HR’s I could see it going to Sho Time though. Will be a very interesting second half showdown.


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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Thought experiment. If Ohtani at the end of the year has 49 HR with a his current average and ends up with an ERA of 3.75 and Vladdy Jr. wins the triple crown who do you think would win MVP?

It’s Ohtani. Unanimous. No Trout, .500 ball. That’s all Ohtani. He’s the best starting pitcher they’ve had in 5+ years, while being the team’s most important hitter this season. Anybody voting Vlad is crazy.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Thought experiment. If Ohtani at the end of the year has 49 HR with a his current average and ends up with an ERA of 3.75 and Vladdy Jr. wins the triple crown who do you think would win MVP?

The voters will fall over themselves to vote for Ohtani. They already are in just talking about him. He's a writers & major league baseballs wet dream. Any other year it's Vlad, but not in this years rodeo.

[The_Reverend]

It is Ohtani’s to lose. I love Vladdy, but I don’t check box’s ores to see what he does. I do for Ohtani. Vladdy will get more shots based on his skills, but this year is the Year of the Rising Ohtani-son!

[moosetequila]

Definitely not PCP Territory, but big stuff to me mail day...

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[okumeister]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

Definitely not PCP Territory, but big stuff to me mail day...
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When Bowman's Best becomes High End.

Nice grade! Nice card!

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It’s Ohtani. Unanimous. No Trout, .500 ball. That’s all Ohtani. He’s the best starting pitcher they’ve had in 5+ years, while being the team’s most important hitter this season. Anybody voting Vlad is crazy.

Vlad with a Triple Crown and Ohtani at 49 HRS and his current AVG and pitching stats?I’ll take Vlad all day. I may be crazy but that’s my vote. I’ll take complete domination in one category vs extremely good in two. Think about it this way, if a player wins a triple crown and Ohtani wins MVP with the hypothetical numbers mentioned, you are basically saying it’s virtually impossible for anyone to win MVP from this point forward unless Shohei experiences a significant decrease in performance.

Granted this is a hypothetical, Shohei could even shatter the non-roid aided HR mark. He could also have a few more dominant starts on the hill and up his case from that angle. I’m cool with either one winning, I just think it’s going to set a bad precedent if Ohtani wins with anything less than dominant numbers if he’s hypothetically going up against a Triple Crown winner.

If Vlad doesn’t win the Triple Crown though, he will need a horrible second half from Ohtani and keep close to his current level of production. My gut tells me it will be Ohtani this year, but I also don’t think Vlad ends with a Triple Crown.


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[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks! I went to bed before the auction ended and when I woke up this morning, I was pleasantly surprised at the sales including the Heritage Gold Refractor BGS 8.5 which ended at $10,100 and the Transcendent Japan Platinum which ended at $14,600. My Soto and Acuna lots (except the Acuna TU Black) also did better than I expected. When I consigned 26 baseball cards (Ohtani, Soto and Acuna) in May for the July auction, I was expecting 75K on them but they fetched ~$131K. Soto's recent performance also helped. Perhaps the recent sale of MJ 1986 Fleer PSA 10 for $840K and the euphoria surrounding it had an impact on last night's sale?

EDIT: I ended up consigning both of my BC Orange Refractor Autos (Pitching and Batting) with Goldin after the recent sale of 125K. I do not need the money but the current prices are too tempting. I would rather reinvest the profits somewhere else where it is less risky.

Wow - congrats!


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[dylan1018]

I am in Anaheim on business for a week and was lucky enough to go to the game yesterday afternoon. I have been to dozens of games over the years and there has never been a buzz in the crowd like there was yesterday. Every at bat the whole crowd was standing with phones out recording every pitch.

AB 1 a strike out swinging - everyone cheered.
AB 2 & 3 walks - everyone cheered.
AB 4 grounder to 1st base which he beats out with pure hustle - crowd erupts. Everyone around is smiling and laughing and talking about how 99% of players jog 3/4 of the way down to first and accept the out. Did the play start a rally? No, but it showed how much he cares and gives his all. Fans loved it.
AB 5 HOMERUN - Crowd explodes! Did it give the Angels the lead? No still down 7-4 in bottom of the 9th. Did anyone care? No. Everyone was jumping up and down, high fiving, huge smiles all around. Heard a lady tell her husband "I wanted to see one thing today and he did it!" The kids were looking at their parents asking "Did you see that!?!"

His fan base is huge and multi-cultural. He is proving he can perform at an extremely high level both hitting and pitching. There is no reason to believe that his popularity will shrink any time soon and with popularity comes demand. People selling now for profit I can't blame you. People buying to hold I don't blame you either. Whether you are selling or buying it's fun to watch this guy play.

[tblood]

Very happy to get this one in-hand.


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[h00perstar34]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WsrL2hGGado&t=187s

I remember this guy had the card on eBay and offered it to me for 3300 I was debating and minutes later it’s sold

What do you guys think this card is worth now? Watch the video


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