HGA grading - Page 7

rfgilles · 02-28-2021, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Be careful with this. There’s been 111 sales. Small handful of which are relists. This is like looking at release day sales and being surprised that raw Lamelo Hoops are outselling raw Luka Hoops. Is there enough of a market to support the tens of thousands of slabs that are about to hit?

The way HGA weighs sub grades also seems to lead to higher overall grades than something comparable from BGS. If most HGA cards are getting 9.5s or above, then the value of gemming is diminished. It will be interesting to see how the POP reports from HGA compare with BGS and PSA. Too early to make any judgements about HGA other than to say the colored slabs are a great idea from a business sense.

KhalDrogo · 02-28-2021, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Good question.

But why send to SGC anymore at all? Whats the advantage?

It's cheap to grade for your PC.

This isn't about HGA vs SGC. This is the same pattern we saw with SGC over the summer. Pump, pump, pump. Talk of how SGC was making a comeback to rival PSA and BGS. Slabs were selling strong. Now look. The only reason they have been able to normalize their turnaround time is that demand has plummeted.

If you're using HGA for your PC, I think that's awesome. If you're doing it because you think ~100 sales mean HGA will rival PSA and BGS, you're taking a big gamble.

KhalDrogo · 02-28-2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

The way HGA weighs sub grades also seems to lead to higher overall grades than something comparable from BGS. If most HGA cards are getting 9.5s or above, then the value of gemming is diminished. It will be interesting to see how the POP reports from HGA compare with BGS and PSA. Too early to make any judgements about HGA other than to say the colored slabs are a great idea from a business sense.

The company themselves said they decided to grade easier because people want gem slabs. There is no questioning that they are the easiest TPG next to GMA.

HalfNipponese · 02-28-2021, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rebbrooks

Have they said if they will grade Star Co. cards yet?

Yes they do. Star is specifically listed as an approved sports card manufacturer for grading submissions. I completely forgot about Star on my test submission. I'll submit one in my next batch.

Cards and 401K · 02-28-2021, 04:04 PM

I really like the slabs and labels, if a card grades a 9 or 9.5 and AI makes it consistent, so if the SAME card is sent in numerous times and stays at those grades, I am all for them succeeding.

Oldan Poar · 02-28-2021, 05:00 PM

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DR Murph · 02-28-2021, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The company themselves said they decided to grade easier because people want gem slabs. There is no questioning that they are the easiest TPG next to GMA.

Where/when did they say this? I thought they said that they configured their standards somewhere between PSA and BGS. Based on what I’ve seen, I question them being the easiest.

KhalDrogo · 02-28-2021, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DR Murph

Where/when did they say this? I thought they said that they configured their standards somewhere between PSA and BGS. Based on what I’ve seen, I question them being the easiest.

It’s on some Facebook post that is referenced below. The averaging of the subgrades alone makes them an easier grade than BGS.

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Originally Posted by leveljumper

They primarily communicate through Facebook it seems, so if you aren’t following them there you won’t see the answers to these questions. They’ve stated there that they are using programming currently set to 60/40 for gem centering (the same standard psa uses for centering). They said that they could make it tighter, but if they did it would be less gem grades overall, which is what a lot of people SAY they want, but then when the time comes they don’t really want it because it drives down the value of the card (see SGC 9.5 selling for around the sale or less as a PSA 9 for example). They counter this by having two grades above a gem, just like BGS does, to reward cards with true 50/50 centering. They just put out a statement on the McGwire tonight that I’ll post screenshots of.

DR Murph · 02-28-2021, 06:00 PM

The owner addresses their standards beginning at the 7:04 mark: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1i_80ElWSY

Oldan Poar · 02-28-2021, 06:05 PM

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rfgilles · 02-28-2021, 09:01 PM

I really hope things pan out with HGA, for taking the lead on AI and striving for objective, consistent grading.

I'm all for pricing that is independent of card value. The grading company should be objectively grading cards, and perceived value should have no bearing on that.

The second HGA starts providing grading reports of card issues, as Tyler says they will, all of my grading business will be going to them.

PostBaloney · 03-01-2021, 12:16 AM

So I sent in a express PSA order and a 10 day (express) HGA order last Friday. It’s gonna be crazy if I get the HGA order back BEFORE the PSA order even gets checked in.

chezball · 03-01-2021, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldan Poar

HGA 9.5's look better than white corner 10's and have better looking slabs. Not many 10's coming from them.

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Originally Posted by Oldan Poar

Agree, Some of those HGA's 9's will probably be getting cracked out and end up in other slabs.

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Southpas2013 · 03-01-2021, 02:37 AM

Wow so he did admit these can be faked, no security yet built in to thr labels or slabs.

Oldan Poar · 03-01-2021, 10:41 AM

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bustsomewax · 03-01-2021, 10:45 AM

So what is the deal with the grading slots?

Can I start a submission, but then need to wait until a slot opens (presumably on Friday evening?) before sending?

Oldan Poar · 03-01-2021, 11:11 AM

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chezball · 03-02-2021, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldan Poar

Sign up, fill in your personal info and add your list of cards to an order. Can't enter payment info until you get in. Last week I got in on Thursday but by the time I added my cards, they were sold out. Friday, I didn't get in.

I'm going to keep checking their website and social media. My cards have been in yellow top loaders for years and are for pc so I'll just hang in there.

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ovrcollect · 03-02-2021, 01:39 AM

These slabs have grown on me a bit, but I've been looking at the cards inside these slabs and I'm beginning to think this is becoming a case of people paying for the slab vs paying for the card. 1 example is this Jerry Rice 9 (a historically TOUGH grade,) which currently has 150+ watchers and is fairly high in bidding:

There's no way that gets a 9 from PSA or BGS. That left edge on the front MAYBE would pass, but the upper edge on the back of the card is literally dinged/crimped?? That looks like a 7 at best from PSA, and maybe a little higher from BGS due to the other subgrades (though 9.5 on corners looks incredibly generous to me.)

With such a small number of slabs out there, this concerns me. HGA actually benefits from overgrading something like this because everyone will see this resale and rush to submit. The only subgrade I've seen that seems consistent is centering (I guess this is where "AI" comes into play?)

I think I'm gonna hold off for more examples until I buy, but no way I'm sending anything of real value their way...

Friars · 03-02-2021, 04:40 AM

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rfgilles · 03-02-2021, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ovrcollect

These slabs have grown on me a bit, but I've been looking at the cards inside these slabs and I'm beginning to think this is becoming a case of people paying for the slab vs paying for the card. 1 example is this Jerry Rice 9 (a historically TOUGH grade,) which currently has 150+ watchers and is fairly high in bidding:

There's no way that gets a 9 from PSA or BGS. That left edge on the front MAYBE would pass, but the upper edge on the back of the card is literally dinged/crimped?? That looks like a 7 at best from PSA, and maybe a little higher from BGS due to the other subgrades (though 9.5 on corners looks incredibly generous to me.)

With such a small number of slabs out there, this concerns me. HGA actually benefits from overgrading something like this because everyone will see this resale and rush to submit. The only subgrade I've seen that seems consistent is centering (I guess this is where "AI" comes into play?)

I think I'm gonna hold off for more examples until I buy, but no way I'm sending anything of real value their way...

Agreed. I haven't seen many, if any, HGA slabs with grades lower than 9. That is my main concern with HGA to date, their leniency.

rngrdanny22 · 03-02-2021, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

Agreed. I haven't seen many, if any, HGA slabs with grades lower than 9. That is my main concern with HGA to date, their leniency.

It's a pretty GMA.

Oachs83 · 03-02-2021, 08:42 AM

As of now I like them as a PC collection. A protector on steroids with a label that pops. As for cards I intend to flip they need a few more slabs under their belt to even be considered an option. That’s just the reality of being the new guy.

edzukation · 03-02-2021, 08:43 AM

I have two orders that will be coming in (roughly 60 cards). I was able to get a 40 card order in before they began limiting it to 20 cards. Since they have begun the queue system, I have been unable to get a card in for grading. I am all in on HGA and CSG.

There is room for all 6 companies. Competition is better for the customer.

rfgilles · 03-02-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by edzukation

I have two orders that will be coming in (roughly 60 cards). I was able to get a 40 card order in before they began limiting it to 20 cards. Since they have begun the queue system, I have been unable to get a card in for grading. I am all in on HGA and CSG.

There is room for all 6 companies. Competition is better for the customer.

There is such a demand for card grading and PSA doesn't have the bandwidth to do it all. BGS found its niche as the 2nd choice in the market. I'm guessing some of the other TPGs, will find their niches as well. Perhaps one or more will move ahead of Beckett, which has not adapted well and taken advantage of the higher demand.

Based on the PSA pricing and turnaround times, customers are inevitably going to use other TPGs for some or all of their cards.

A year from now, PSA will most likely be the main player, but there is more than enough cards to sustain some of the other TPGs. An equilibrium will be reached.

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Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,566	I really like the slabs and labels, if a card grades a 9 or 9.5 and AI makes it consistent, so if the SAME card is sent in numerous times and stays at those grades, I am all for them succeeding.

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DR Murph Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,588	The owner addresses their standards beginning at the 7:04 mark: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1i_80ElWSY

02-28-2021, 09:01 PM	#161
rfgilles Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,301	I really hope things pan out with HGA, for taking the lead on AI and striving for objective, consistent grading. I'm all for pricing that is independent of card value. The grading company should be objectively grading cards, and perceived value should have no bearing on that. The second HGA starts providing grading reports of card issues, as Tyler says they will, all of my grading business will be going to them.

03-01-2021, 12:16 AM	#162
PostBaloney Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 508	So I sent in a express PSA order and a 10 day (express) HGA order last Friday. It’s gonna be crazy if I get the HGA order back BEFORE the PSA order even gets checked in.

03-01-2021, 02:37 AM	#164
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	Wow so he did admit these can be faked, no security yet built in to thr labels or slabs.

03-01-2021, 10:45 AM	#166
bustsomewax Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 6,917 rockymountaincollectibles_1 goapps2014	So what is the deal with the grading slots? Can I start a submission, but then need to wait until a slot opens (presumably on Friday evening?) before sending?

03-02-2021, 01:39 AM	#169
ovrcollect Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: California Posts: 1,111	These slabs have grown on me a bit, but I've been looking at the cards inside these slabs and I'm beginning to think this is becoming a case of people paying for the slab vs paying for the card. 1 example is this Jerry Rice 9 (a historically TOUGH grade,) which currently has 150+ watchers and is fairly high in bidding: There's no way that gets a 9 from PSA or BGS. That left edge on the front MAYBE would pass, but the upper edge on the back of the card is literally dinged/crimped?? That looks like a 7 at best from PSA, and maybe a little higher from BGS due to the other subgrades (though 9.5 on corners looks incredibly generous to me.) With such a small number of slabs out there, this concerns me. HGA actually benefits from overgrading something like this because everyone will see this resale and rush to submit. The only subgrade I've seen that seems consistent is centering (I guess this is where "AI" comes into play?) I think I'm gonna hold off for more examples until I buy, but no way I'm sending anything of real value their way...

03-02-2021, 08:42 AM	#173
Oachs83 Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Minnesota Posts: 731	As of now I like them as a PC collection. A protector on steroids with a label that pops. As for cards I intend to flip they need a few more slabs under their belt to even be considered an option. That’s just the reality of being the new guy.

03-02-2021, 08:43 AM	#174
edzukation Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 28	Two Orders Out I have two orders that will be coming in (roughly 60 cards). I was able to get a 40 card order in before they began limiting it to 20 cards. Since they have begun the queue system, I have been unable to get a card in for grading. I am all in on HGA and CSG. There is room for all 6 companies. Competition is better for the customer.