HGA grading - Page 6

Bcr · 02-26-2021, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bradley9999

I had 2 browsers open, one was spot 13 when it opened, and got the error, the second one was spot 2 when they paused. As soon as they opened it back up I got in and subbed 2 orders. Cant wait to see what they look like.

Where they both on the same account?

bradley9999 · 02-26-2021, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

Where they both on the same account?

One was logged into the account. The other wasn’t logged in at all.

Cards and 401K · 02-26-2021, 11:21 PM

maybe next week I was number 2400 in waiting room

ArmyDC · 02-26-2021, 11:35 PM

Just don’t see AI replacing graders. Eventually it may force Panini to do better quality control to take out cards that scan bad. I have a bold prediction.. panini will buy BGS and you will see more already encased product, just IMO..

rjp087 · 02-27-2021, 12:33 AM

Looks like these guys are off to a great start.

bradley9999 · 02-27-2021, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyDC

Just don’t see AI replacing graders. Eventually it may force Panini to do better quality control to take out cards that scan bad. I have a bold prediction.. panini will buy BGS and you will see more already encased product, just IMO..

I see it. Hell I hope it comes faster than it is. You can't tell me that pop control isn't real, and it only happens because people grade cards. When machines grade cards then that stops. Of course unless it is coded into them to keep doing it. But I'd hope thats not the case.

Southpas2013 · 02-27-2021, 01:14 AM

Do HGA labels have holograms ? Easy to fake these labels ? I dont see much security with this .

Cool colors but nothing worth spending money on.

Southpas2013 · 02-27-2021, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sampson10k

SO THEY LOST MY ORDER. IT WAS DELIVERED LAST FRIDAY. NO IDEA WHERE IT IS. CUSTOMER SERVICE IS NON EXISITENT. SO FAR IM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN MY 400 DOLLARS IVE ALREADY BEEN CHARGED

Sounds like something I would expect. Sorry about your loss.

rfgilles · 02-27-2021, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bradley9999

I had 2 browsers open, one was spot 13 when it opened, and got the error, the second one was spot 2 when they paused. As soon as they opened it back up I got in and subbed 2 orders. Cant wait to see what they look like.

You are part of the problem. Why sub 2 orders?

Oldan Poar · 02-27-2021, 07:22 AM

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goduke · 02-27-2021, 10:17 AM

I saw someone ask but didn’t see the answer. Does HGA have a version of a POP report?

growdoe · 02-27-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by salthill

And I’m going to guess that the training data HGA used included PSA and BGS graded cards. Otherwise it’s a Herculean effort to generate enough examples to train it.

That's a good point, you got to get the examples from somewhere, and I doubt they quickly graded thousands of cards of raw cards, maybe they did. Plus, you got Panini/Topps issuing new designs each year. Does that mean they have to retrain the algorithms? Probably so. Colors refect light differently, and it will be within the reflections that you will see dents, cracking and surface issues. A new design will impact the results because you're dealing with computer vision that relies on light and pixel colors. Even if they used grayscale photos, you still have the designs impacting light reflections.

AI is just now getting good at identifying objects in pictures. Trying to grade the quality of a physical object like a card seems like a major step up in complexity.

I predict the effort to maintain the algorithms consistency will be so overwhelming, that these companies will eventually go back to human graders. Probably the best solution will be a hybrid of computer/human. Consistency will be key, and the hobby will continously verify the outcomes. The moment that consistency appears off, confidence will drop in the trained model.

bradley9999 · 02-27-2021, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

You are part of the problem. Why sub 2 orders?

Jacka$$ much? I submitted 1 15 card 60 day order, and 1 1 card 30 day order. If I'm part of the problem then the hobby is doomed.

KhalDrogo · 02-27-2021, 02:57 PM

If they're doing it correct, they will have a training data set, then a validation data set before they grade cards from any given set. My guess is that they are not doing that.

Troutstanding · 02-27-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by goduke

I saw someone ask but didn’t see the answer. Does HGA have a version of a POP report?

A POP REPORT? Are you joking? They literally have a one page website/portal with some PDF's. What would a POP report provide at this time, how about we give them some time.

HalfNipponese · 02-27-2021, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by goduke

I saw someone ask but didn’t see the answer. Does HGA have a version of a POP report?

I only know what I hear in interviews but the CEO indicated they will have a pop report once they have a reasonable data set. He said pretty much everything is pop 1 or 2 right now. Supposedly every card will have a high res scan and a grading report to advise where the flaws are. Also, every card will be logged so if you crack and resubmit you’ll get the exact same grade or lower if the card receives micro damages. The digital light frequency will be unique to every card so you won’t be able to trick the computer. It’s essentially the same technology use by facial recognition in cell phones.

growdoe · 02-27-2021, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfNipponese

I was listening to a Podcast in the car and I thought I heard the CEO say they are thinking about a 20 card limit. I think that would be a good idea so more people can get in.

The throttling of submissions, and limits like these are the true innovations HGA is brining here. The other companies should take notice.

rebbrooks · 02-27-2021, 08:57 PM

Have they said if they will grade Star Co. cards yet?

Nostalgia · 02-28-2021, 08:54 AM

Seems people are really liking HGA...even for high-end cards.

And some recent comps are similar to PSA.

I have a PSA order with some high-end cards ready to go, but thinking about switching it to HGA for the quicker turnaround times.

Buickrob · 02-28-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Seems people are really liking HGA...even for high-end cards.

And some recent comps are similar to PSA.

I have a PSA order with some high-end cards ready to go, but thinking about switching it to HGA for the quicker turnaround times.

It honestly blows my mind that HGA can pull in better sales than SGC at this point.

Nostalgia · 02-28-2021, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Buickrob

It honestly blows my mind that HGA can pull in better sales than SGC at this point.

Seems HGA moved by SGC very quickly. Also shocked how quickly it happened.

hauntedcomputer · 02-28-2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rebbrooks

Have they said if they will grade Star Co. cards yet?

I've heard someone say they did but haven't seen any graded Stars yet. If they can use AI to detect fakes, they are sitting on a gold mine. I suspect they will just grade a bunch before they know for sure and the whole thing is polluted before it starts.

kcroyalsfan8515 · 02-28-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Seems HGA moved by SGC very quickly. Also shocked how quickly it happened.

Shows how bad of a taste in people's mouth SCG left and how bad people want another TPG to succeed. I hope these guys kill it.

KhalDrogo · 02-28-2021, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Seems HGA moved by SGC very quickly. Also shocked how quickly it happened.

Be careful with this. There’s been 111 sales. Small handful of which are relists. This is like looking at release day sales and being surprised that raw Lamelo Hoops are outselling raw Luka Hoops. Is there enough of a market to support the tens of thousands of slabs that are about to hit?

Nostalgia · 02-28-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Be careful with this. There’s been 111 sales. Small handful of which are relists. This is like looking at release day sales and being surprised that raw Lamelo Hoops are outselling raw Luka Hoops. Is there enough of a market to support the tens of thousands of slabs that are about to hit?

Good question.

But why send to SGC anymore at all? Whats the advantage?

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ArmyDC Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 999	Just don’t see AI replacing graders. Eventually it may force Panini to do better quality control to take out cards that scan bad. I have a bold prediction.. panini will buy BGS and you will see more already encased product, just IMO..

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Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	Do HGA labels have holograms ? Easy to fake these labels ? I dont see much security with this . Cool colors but nothing worth spending money on.

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,299	If they're doing it correct, they will have a training data set, then a validation data set before they grade cards from any given set. My guess is that they are not doing that.

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rebbrooks Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 768	Have they said if they will grade Star Co. cards yet?

02-28-2021, 08:54 AM	#144
Nostalgia Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: New York Posts: 1,999	Seems people are really liking HGA...even for high-end cards. And some recent comps are similar to PSA. I have a PSA order with some high-end cards ready to go, but thinking about switching it to HGA for the quicker turnaround times.