Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[UGLI baby]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

From last night...

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It’s a good quick flip.

Also, these cards do not exist yet and you will not receive them for several weeks.

[Ebmisfit]

agreed. i have set some price points for any low PR's today and will buy, buy, buy before they start going up on the weekend.

as houdini said: low pr's are like precious metals

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Agree, it will definitely be a nice run.....it really is a nice time to pick up some low PR’s at solid prices

[RyanSwinger]

lol some fool already pre selling a Jeter Ben Baller for $49

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Ebmisfit

agreed. i have set some price points for any low PR's today and will buy, buy, buy before they start going up on the weekend.

as houdini said: low pr's are like precious metals

You understand it! This is where its at!!!!

[dgr81]

How can someone flip something that they have to wait on another ebay seller to ship to them?

person A bought a Don C Thomas from Topps for $20
person B bought a Don C Thomas presell from ebay for $200 from person A
person C buys a Don C Thomas for $300 on ebay from person B who is waiting on it from person A

person C could easily cancel their purchase because they won't be getting their card for a while. this risk for person B makes no sense at all.

[dgr81]

i think these sneaker groups are hyping up the cards that the admins bought from topps, and the schleps paying $30 a month to be in the group are going to be caught holding the bag

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Giants1964

Crazy thought here...I like the cards...usually buying two of each I like {yes I don't buy every single card} If I can eventually sell one and make the initial price of both back clear I have a nice collection for free...and that would be just fine. Guess I don't fit in?

This worked for the first 7 weeks. Now dipshits have ruined that.


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[MCyganik]

Not that I advocate the undercutting but I can see why someone might want to cash out at 80% of the “going rate”. If a card is selling for $500 and they sell for $400, they probably think (besides, wow this card was $20 a few weeks ago) it will be less likely to be returned than a card sold at full value if the market starts dipping. With all the cancellations and volatility, we don’t know what people are going to think about the price point of these cards in 3-6 months.

[FT35]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

For the negativity I harbor about the overall project, i admittedly have a tinge of envy over people making 2000% ROI in a matter of weeks. No use getting around that. I am not a total believer in a lot of those transactions not bouncing back valid, but kudos to you if you saw this blowing up and were a consistent buyer at low prices. That's something to celebrate

With that said... Every historical metric seems to be screaming take your profits and run.

I’d like to time my purchases better. Are there other historical Topps Project 2020 metrics from previous years I can check out somewhere and study?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

Not that I advocate the undercutting but I can see why someone might want to cash out at 80% of the “going rate”. If a card is selling for $500 and they sell for $400, they probably think (besides, wow this card was $20 a few weeks ago) it will be less likely to be returned than a card sold at full value if the market starts dipping. With all the cancellations and volatility, we don’t know what people are going to think about the price point of these cards in 3-6 months.

Selling and locking in is always smart. But why anyone would do it today (Thursday) with two big events happening over the next week is beyond my comprehension. The only reason to cash out now is because you overextended yourself. And with 100,000 Griffey's being ordered, I dare say that a lot of people did exactly that. I am giddy with excitement over the Gary V spot tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. And Blake claims something bigger is coming next week. Not sure about that secret, but I know what Gary V does.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Selling and locking in is always smart. But why anyone would do it today (Thursday) with two big events happening over the next week is beyond my comprehension.

Yo, seller here, since it's "beyond your comprehension" let me offer a simple explanation: the prices are inflated because people are buying in preparation for these "two big events". It's perfectly fine for sellers to assess that and bet that the "two big events" are underwhelming at which point you won't be able to sell at the prices you're seeing today.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong and have zero interest getting into that kind of discussion, I'm just trying to help you comprehend how some people may totally logically see the situation.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Selling and locking in is always smart. But why anyone would do it today (Thursday) with two big events happening over the next week is beyond my comprehension. The only reason to cash out now is because you overextended yourself. And with 100,000 Griffey's being ordered, I dare say that a lot of people did exactly that. I am giddy with excitement over the Gary V spot tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. And Blake claims something bigger is coming next week. Not sure about that secret, but I know what Gary V does.

Yeah I agree. Why people would cash out before next week is beyond me. I don’t think a lot of people understand the influence Gary V will have on the market. He could say to buy bags of dog crap because he thinks it’s the next big thing and his followers would buy as much as they could for any price.

I have no clue what the big thing Blake was talking about is but if it’s bigger than Gary V we could see a big jump in prices over the next week or so

[Natebowling]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Siff Jeter

All of Siff is going to be nice.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Selling and locking in is always smart. But why anyone would do it today (Thursday) with two big events happening over the next week is beyond my comprehension. The only reason to cash out now is because you overextended yourself. And with 100,000 Griffey's being ordered, I dare say that a lot of people did exactly that. I am giddy with excitement over the Gary V spot tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. And Blake claims something bigger is coming next week. Not sure about that secret, but I know what Gary V does.

Every day the “top secret gary vee comment is looming”.... temper expectations guys... becoming too much hype that probably started to get priced in around the @tysonbeck comment.


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[MCyganik]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Selling and locking in is always smart. But why anyone would do it today (Thursday) with two big events happening over the next week is beyond my comprehension. The only reason to cash out now is because you overextended yourself. And with 100,000 Griffey's being ordered, I dare say that a lot of people did exactly that. I am giddy with excitement over the Gary V spot tomorrow. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. And Blake claims something bigger is coming next week. Not sure about that secret, but I know what Gary V does.

But how many casual buyers who are flipping their $20 buys right now even know there’s a “big” Gary Vee event? How many of them even know who Gary Vee is? Might be a good day for his followers and us obsessives who troll baseball card forums, but I think many people just want the profit now.

But again that will be a good think for long term holders. Get the casual sellers out now and then the big investors control the market on low PR stuff.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Yo, seller here, since it's "beyond your comprehension" let me offer a simple explanation: the prices are inflated because people are buying in preparation for these "two big events". It's perfectly fine for sellers to assess that and bet that the "two big events" are underwhelming at which point you won't be able to sell at the prices you're seeing today.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong and have zero interest getting into that kind of discussion, I'm just trying to help you comprehend how some people may totally logically see the situation.

The "two big events" weren't made public until a couple of days ago. People were paying big money well before the announcement of big things to come.

Also, I find it funny that everyone was full on board buying the low print runs up until 2 days ago. Spending money and stashing like wild fire. Those same people knew that big PRs were coming and that they were coming fast. A big PR pops and now people are running for highest ground. Doesn't make sense. Nothing changed for those low print run cards. They are still low print and now in comparison, they are even lower print runs. SAME THING happened w/ the Trout Baller! SAME EXACT THING! Patience Young Ones. You're playing in the big boys pool with big boy dollars. Have patience.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Yeah I agree. Why people would cash out before next week is beyond me. I don’t think a lot of people understand the influence Gary V will have on the market. He could say to buy bags of dog crap because he thinks it’s the next big thing and his followers would buy as much as they could for any price.

I have no clue what the big thing Blake was talking about is but if it’s bigger than Gary V we could see a big jump in prices over the next week or so

What exactly are people expecting Gary to say?

I cant see him saying more than- these are really cool cards, here are the artist I like and low PRs are precious. Hes not a stupid man so hes not going to just say "GO BUY 100 OF EVERY NEW CARD ISSUED FOR 150% ROI!"

Bottom line- if you have cards with PRs below 4k HOLD and let the market come back for what i believe will be even larger returns once 30-40k PRs become consistent.

[Kelso242424]

Tyson Beck pulled his 1/1 Griffey this morning on his Live YouTube chat....he was SHOCKED!!!

[BraveAtlanta]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

The "two big events" weren't made public until a couple of days ago. People were paying big money well before the announcement of big things to come.

Also, I find it funny that everyone was full on board buying the low print runs up until 2 days ago. Spending money and stashing like wild fire. Those same people knew that big PRs were coming and that they were coming fast. A big PR pops and now people are running for highest ground. Doesn't make sense. Nothing changed for those low print run cards. They are still low print and now in comparison, they are even lower print runs. SAME THING happened w/ the Trout Baller! SAME EXACT THING! Patience Young Ones. You're playing in the big boys pool with big boy dollars. Have patience.

I agree with all this. I think the Trout Baller at $150 (the going BIN price for in hand cards) is still a great deal and will look like a steal next week.

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by Kelso242424

Tyson Beck pulled his 1/1 Griffey this morning on his Live YouTube chat....he was SHOCKED!!!

Good! Tyson Beck is the man- dude is about to blow

[BALxORIOLESx]

Originally Posted by Kelso242424

Tyson Beck pulled his 1/1 Griffey this morning on his Live YouTube chat....he was SHOCKED!!!

Link? That is absolutely insane... what are the odds

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

What exactly are people expecting Gary to say?

I cant see him saying more than- these are really cool cards, here are the artist I like and low PRs are precious. Hes not a stupid man so hes not going to just say "GO BUY 100 OF EVERY NEW CARD ISSUED FOR 150% ROI!"

Bottom line- if you have cards with PRs below 4k HOLD and let the market come back for what i believe will be even larger returns once 30-40k PRs become consistent.

I think he pumps Blake (obviously). But I think he sticks to what he does. Pumps the $200 well known artists/player. "Good Buys" in comparison w/ room to grow. The Trout Ballers, Trout Thiele, etc. In-hand stuff. The players that his followers understand and know. While throwing in comparisons to the $1k+ cards that have already popped and have small PRs. I dont see him pimping the buy on Topps for $20, wait 6 weeks and then flip. Thats not his thing.

Edit: But who actually knows!

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by premium1981

What is the wager?

1 Trout Baller. Pick a day. Wednesday 6/3 at noon eastern? I say the card will not have hit $250.

Difficult to define, as you can just sell one at $250. We can put it to the group here to see if that is right or we can say there need to be 3 ebay sales of $250 or more to define it. This is just fun, because if they are $250 I am great with it and don't mind losing one to you.

We also don't have to bet. I am not calling you out on your prediction. I hope you are right.

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by Kelso242424

Tyson Beck pulled his 1/1 Griffey this morning on his Live YouTube chat....he was SHOCKED!!!

Hahaha thats awesome


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[Super32]

Tyson Beck just said he gets 10% after profits from Topps.

He got help from Topps on getting his artist proofs, although he bought a couple from Jake - would that mean there are less than 20 when they go live? I am not against that, actually it is a good thing as Topps should take care of their artist.