LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by mrdallas

I guess it is now $175,000 SMH

https://www.ebay.com/itm/03-04-Lebro...cc9y:rk:3:pf:0

Well the population of unaltered cards has decreased, now that we know 2 of the cards are adulterated.

Makes total sense!

It's a 4D scam. Alter cards to get higher grades, when they don't bump just say "I dunno what happened to these". Decrease population of legit cards down, thus increasing the price because the actual totality of legit Lebron RPAs has decreased.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Well the population of unaltered cards has decreased, now that we know 2 of the cards are adulterated.

Makes total sense!

It's a 4D scam. Alter cards to get higher grades, when they don't bump just say "I dunno what happened to these". Decrease population of legit cards down, thus increasing the price because the actual totality of legit Lebron RPAs has decreased.

Is the current Lebron they have for sale for $175k legit? Or is that altered too?

[mrdallas]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Is the current Lebron they have for sale for $175k legit? Or is that altered too?

I think that will now be the issue with anything that BNC sells now. Is it or isn't it trimmed/altered?

[jcardstore]

I think we need to be looking more into this fifthdown guy, seems to be an accomplice to bnc and involved in price manipulation (which is also illegal)

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by mrdallas

I guess BNC is now asking $175,000 for an 8.5. Or has this been that price for a while?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/03-04-Lebro...cc9y:rk:3:pf:0

Posted that in here 4 days ago, pretty sure it’s the same price.

[mrdallas]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Posted that in here 4 days ago, pretty sure it’s the same price.

My bad. Must have missed it. With this thread. Gone for two hours and posts can be like 5 pages back. LOL

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by buybuymj

My honest two cents.


I already tried to register here in the past, one or two times, but it didn't go successfully. This time I entered my eBay user name while waiting for my activation, probably it helped.


The reason I asked 27guy to keep me anonymous was, at first I was not that much interested in entering this topic, more than anything I was not a member here and I had no clue when I could ever be, like said above. And no, english is not my main language. I was not a good student and never learned any english at any professional level but doing countless overseas deals. Still it takes a lot of time to write like this. I didn't even want my name to be discussed here, well, it was more like there's no reason than I didn't want that, as I couldn't input a word here. If somebody says about me or try to refute about that, it only could've been complicated. So I thought it was unnecessary, it was not about testing my braveness. I'm not that #@#@#@#@ while I can do something by myself but asking somebody hey, I'm worried about that, can you do that for me? I'm scared. No.


Still, it was not an easy decision. Remember, it was not just questioning BNC like many other people have been here, it was the smoking gun that one bullet could change the whole thing. Really, it was not an easy decision. Contest? I don't consider BNC as my competitor at all. I'm 100% sure he feels the same. This is not two bread stores in the same street. It's not we're producing same chocolate cake and competing price. I bought a card from 27guy in the past and I sold one of my cards to BNC, also bought a very nice card from him for a very nice price. I don't have any deep relationship with them at all, but it was all positives, nothing negative between. There's zero benefit for me with this #@#@#@#@ but if anything, it only removes my chance to obtain another great card from him. I honestly hope that BNC can come up and prove I'm wrong, or I'm missing something. The sad truth is I'm very good in this evidence game, I'm new to this forum but not new to this hobby, anyone knows about me in my country knows that. Still I firmly believe that more PWCC or more BNC is more good for the hobby, I have that perspective like he said prior, as far as trimming is not envolved.


Well, until I sent those eBay messages to 27guy I didn't know at all that he had some decent relationship with BNC, as I wasn't a regular member here. When I felt that perhaps I found a wrong person was when I read the following post.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=646



It not only showed me their friendly relationship but they were making some funs out of that. You know what, if I was in that position, got informed that my two best treasures in LBJ Exquisite RC /99 were altered instead of being clean BGS 9, plus many people question me like a trimmer, I would get mad as hell. I'd be ready to bury all you guys that suspected me and laughed at that, with evidences. That would be my natural reaction if I was in that position. If you're my friend, you should feel terrible. So still making some funs out of that, to me it looked like they were looking for end of discussion instead of further discussion.


I don't know 27guy that well but I know well about human nature. Why are you guys still looking for him? I mean, I don't know his intention about my eBay messages but now I understand his relationship with BNC. If this was a pure NBA community, not related to money at all, still some old members would make relationships each other and be friends. When your friend is getting attacked, you don't sit well. You want to defend him, if you can, especially when it's reasonable. Now we're in a card community, related to a lot of money, where some deals could make one's feeling better more than you can imagine. If he got some nice deals with BNC and met him in the national with their families and still looking for another one, that MATTERS. If I was in 27guy's position, perhaps I've been acted the same, who knows. It's not impossible, but it would be very hard to turn against BNC suddenly and seeking the truth than your next nice deal. Now you guys expect that hard part from him. Unless 27guy can deny the evidence he has nothing to say but bad things to BNC, it would be very, very hard. It's sad, it hurts. So I totally understand that him getting away from this now.


I have experiences of having countless high ends and I also had owned all these cards, 2003-04 LeBron Exquisite /99 and /23, 1999 Century Legends AU MJ /23 (I will talk about this later), I'm an original owner of the following photo that most of you guys never seen it before. Because it's not my card right now I won't answer on upcoming questions about what the hell is that, all I can say is that it's irrelevant with trimming and sometimes BGS sucks as hell. I'm showing this only because I'm new to this forum and to explain that I got more than enough experiences.



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/9231/tfIyK1.jpg



So when you own LBJ Exquisite /99, a card of this caliber, it's impossible to forget about its condition. Especially when there's noticeable chippings like that in 87/99. Especially for a guy who has a lot of interest in grading. I still remember overall conditions of LBJ Exquisites I sold more than 10 years ago. That's just human nature. That's why I called it as the smoking gun. Because I know what that means. Just like a member named rookies here still have photos of 74/99 and remembers its original condition when he owned it.


I also noticed that BNC said he bought Sohrob's entire collection in 2014 and those LeBrons were part of them, but from Sohrob's record here, it seems he was still active in collecting. On 2014-02-20, he was collecting 2003-04 Exqusite EoE set and only missing Kobe and Miller.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...93&postcount=1



On 2014-12-30, he was stilling chasing those two and other high end cards, to me that doesn't sound from a guy who sold his entire collection.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...00&postcount=1


Actually me and Sohrob were communicating often, even he offered me some cards on March 2016.


https://imageshack.com/a/img922/2865/SafEqr.png



https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3295/cLsQdY.png



Yes, Sohrob told me he was starting a new business and now he's gone, but it was late 2015 when he said that and started to sell all his cards, that's after LeBron Exquisite 87/99 graded BGS 9. He was offering many cards to me but I didn't hear from him that he had LBJ Exquisite /99 for sale during that period. Just FYI. And BNC said he purchased it as a raw in 2014. My one personal question here, if you mastered trimming and make a ton of money, why would you want to stop that and leave the hobby. If I was in that positon, with the same mindset, I'd try that on all of my EoE cards and others, my store will only get bigger and bigger.



I know the following MJ Legends AU 7/23 is 100% legit to say the least, if you were active in the hobby at the time you must know that eBay seller 23buy23 was by far the best MJ collector on the planet.



https://imageshack.com/a/img924/6571/YtpOd9.jpg




He was not only selling multiple Legends MJ AU /23 but countless other 90's MJ stuffs you can name any, including two MJ PMG Green /10, two 97-98 UD Game Jersey AU /23 (he didn't list the other one on eBay though), 98-99 Metal Gem Masters 1/1, 98-99 SPx Extreme 1/1, on and on and on. How many did he have these cards? Here's part of I bought from him at the time, not all of them but most of them. Of course he had pretty more than I bought from him.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/4679/iAo3T6.jpg




I heard some guys don't believe that and treat it like playing with printed papers but old Korean collectors know that it's not. Check out 23buy23's feedback if you ever wonder what kind of stuffs he sold at the time.

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30



To me, the auto of BNC's 7/23 looks a bit lighter than normal. The color of auto and hand number is different. Although I know it's possible in this card. Then being one of iconic cards from 1999 graded BGS 9.5 in June 2018, with same numer of 7/23 that I know the other one is 100% legit.



Look, if it wasn't about LBJ Exquisite 87/99, I don't think people started to question on his other cards as well like this. I know it's very, very hard, but not impossible, to say the truth and live with that. If I was in his position and I'm 100% clean, I'd never allow people try to ruin my reputation like this #@#@#@#@. I ain't talk about my fond memories with forum, I ain't no interested in being a nice guy, I ain't begging no one's sentiment. Only would be interested in talking about the truth, then badly need you guys' sincere apologies. That would be my reaction. Actually I hope BNC can do that.

I think you might have misunderstood my post explaining why I thought you'd be hesitant to post yourself. You're well known in the high-end world and Eric is too. You and Eric for sure have similar interests (not saying you're at all connected). That alone would make your anxiety with regards to posting understandable.

You mentioned in your messages to Adam your apprehension to the forum, anyways. English is not your first language, so you would have been at a major disadvantage if you posted on page 1. I understand blowout, and your post would have certainly gotten flamed a bit. It's just the nature of the forum these days.

You did everything perfectly, I think. You've been awesome.

Now, a question for my personal interests, did you crack that MJ/Kobe out because you bought it and didn't think it was a 9? The bottom corner, MJ side, looks really soft. I noticed the Corners sub was 8.5 too, but even that is lenient. If so, that might be the most honest "cracking" in the history of grading. If not, do you believe BGS is more lenient to cards of mega-prestige?

[tmar214]

Think what’s lost in all of this is a lot of the blame has to be on the grading companies.


Modern printing technology has improved enough where there shouldn’t be much if any leeway in cards deviating from standard size. If a card is cut short by panini people should be ok with receiving a miscut or altered grade. It is what it is at least we would be protected from paying top dollar for altered cards. Also At some point they need to track serial numbers on high dollar sets. How many buyers would their be for a (hypothetical) doncic Nt rpa that originally graded a bgs 8.5 and that was then regraded a 10 later.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by arashY

His comment on his Instagram account makes it seem like he is done with this thread and/or forum.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BriJlFsh...d=393pmu0dvtj8

great IG post by hairyangryfella

Originally Posted by sjay2k

His lack of insight regarding the inappropriateness of his actions, for someone who appears to be at least reasonably intelligent, is quite astounding.

he doesn't lack any insight. it's just more of his endless goody-two-shoes shtick. the only thing that's changed is that people are finally seeing through it.

[rysportguy]

Originally Posted by tmar214

Think what’s lost in all of this is a lot of the blame has to be on the grading companies.


Modern printing technology has improved enough where there shouldn’t be much if any leeway in cards deviating from standard size. If a card is cut short by panini people should be ok with receiving a miscut or altered grade. It is what it is at least we would be protected from paying top dollar for altered cards. Also At some point they need to track serial numbers on high dollar sets. How many buyers would their be for a (hypothetical) doncic Nt rpa that originally graded a bgs 8.5 and that was then regraded a 10 later.

Yeah I said this a while back. If the grading companies were better at noticing these things and graded consistently it would remove all incentive to do it.

[gomiamigo]

He got caught out and out lying, is continuing to lie, hid the most pertinent information we all needed, and that's why he's not coming back.

[IronMonkey415]

MOD!!!! Bring Cam back, we can exchange #27 for him.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

MOD!!!! Bring Cam back, we can exchange #27 for him.

Is that considered an upgrade, downgrade or even swap? Plus, Cam is probably already back.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by the27guy

This is the most damning piece of evidence posted yet and easily the biggest bombshell of the thread. Easily.

Thanks for walking me through this Abra. I’ve been so focused on the other card (from sohrob and jack) that I haven’t even really looked at this one.

I don’t know what the explanation is but I am here for it. Buybuymj, dude..... I get it. Thank you for posting!

Devilish coverup response

or

The truth

It's up for debate. But do we have to debate this again?

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[ThoseBackPages]

dirty

[jcardstore]

Guys, seriously... forget about Adam. Focus on the real problems here.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

dirty

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Guys, seriously... forget about Adam. Focus on the real problems here.

Maybe you should make new threads about both issues so we can keep them separated?

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Guys, seriously... forget about Adam. Focus on the real problems here.

Adam is part of the problem. He made it that way.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Adam is part of the problem. He made it that way.

[ichirorox]

So I've tried reading through most of the pages of this thread but there are just too many. Can someone please give me the scoop on what 27guy was hiding and how he's outed and now too scared to show face on the forums?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Maybe you should make new threads about both issues so we can keep them separated?

Why are you even here?

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by ichirorox

So I've tried reading through most of the pages of this thread but there are just too many. Can someone please give me the scoop on what 27guy was hiding and how he's outed and now too scared to show face on the forums?

Abra did a recap several pages back. That's the best I got.

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[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Focus on the real problems here.

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

That's hilarious!!!!!!