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tke1600 · 10-21-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Doubt it. That claim is made every election year, and it never even ends up being a rounding error.

My prediction is: A sexual predator will move into the White House on January 20th, 2017.

Bold prediction.

xavieronly1 · 10-21-2016, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

It will be interesting to see how many votes Bernie gets as a write in. It may be a lot more than anyone expects right now.

Who will get more votes?

Bernie or Deez Nuts

babyfaceposey · 10-21-2016, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xavieronly1

Who will get more votes?

Bernie or Deez Nuts

Deez Nutz. Bernie sold out.

TheHeel · 10-21-2016, 03:13 PM

tke1600 · 10-21-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Most people under 25 were already covered if their parents had insurance before the ACA. Obamacare is failing badly and needs to be scrapped before 2017 or our insurance will continue to hike up to cover huge losses. It's pretty plain and simple.

swise0121 · 10-21-2016, 03:34 PM

I honestly thought that was a meme about Obamacare.
Wow

trixstar · 10-21-2016, 03:45 PM

I'm not going to get into an argument on how well or not well Obamacare is working. I work in the healthcare industry on the hospital side. All I will say is that for every person who is hurting from insurance hikes there are just as many people getting coverage for the first time in their life. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of people that I see or work with that are having coverage for illnesses that were previously non-covered. I don't know what the full answer is for everyone or if there ever will be one but I think Obamacare just needs some tweaks and fixes and not completely scrapped.

TheFrenzy · 10-21-2016, 03:56 PM

Obamacare in a nutshell: Trying to fix the problem from the wrong side of the equation.

As someone whose family sells medical equipment - the markup is insane because there is almost no competition. $1800 for a single spinal screw. $300 for a box of sterile suture thread.

Capitalism is AMAZING, don't get me wrong. But it does have an achilles heel - monopolies and lack of competition. That's what the healthcare industry suffers from. By the time the bill reaches the patient, it's reached Godzilla-size and the only way to combat it is by having King Kong-sized insurance.

So what should Obama and our government have done? Shrunk the Godzilla costs via price ceilings.

What did they do? Mandated that everyone had to have their own King Kong insurance.

Athey49 · 10-21-2016, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Our Choices summed up:

Hillary: Defended a rapist. Married to a rapist. Destabilized Middle East. Criminal. Liar. Major health concerns.

Trump: Likes pussy.

Trump: is a rapist

calculusdork · 10-21-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Obamacare in a nutshell: Trying to fix the problem from the wrong side of the equation.

As someone whose family sells medical equipment - the markup is insane because there is almost no competition. $1800 for a single spinal screw. $300 for a box of sterile suture thread.

Capitalism is AMAZING, don't get me wrong. But it does have an achilles heel - monopolies and lack of competition. That's what the healthcare industry suffers from. By the time the bill reaches the patient, it's reached Godzilla-size and the only way to combat it is by having King Kong-sized insurance.

So what should Obama and our government have done? Shrunk the Godzilla costs via price ceilings.

What did they do? Mandated that everyone had to have their own King Kong insurance.

Or much more lax regulatory practices. Over-regulation is the greatest barrier to entry.

Clarka3 · 10-21-2016, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Obamacare in a nutshell: Trying to fix the problem from the wrong side of the equation.

As someone whose family sells medical equipment - the markup is insane because there is almost no competition. $1800 for a single spinal screw. $300 for a box of sterile suture thread.

Capitalism is AMAZING, don't get me wrong. But it does have an achilles heel - monopolies and lack of competition. That's what the healthcare industry suffers from. By the time the bill reaches the patient, it's reached Godzilla-size and the only way to combat it is by having King Kong-sized insurance.

So what should Obama and our government have done? Shrunk the Godzilla costs via price ceilings.

What did they do? Mandated that everyone had to have their own King Kong insurance.

yup. i think a single-payer system where the government could then dictate the prices they would pay for things would be the "right" answer.

i know people are fearful of a single payer system because of the scary stories they hear out of Canada and England, but going back to the old system isn't going to fix the problem (no matter what the insurance companies try to tell you).

swise0121 · 10-21-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Athey49

Trump: is a rapist

Are we just throwing out random false accusations???

TheFrenzy · 10-21-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by calculusdork

Or much more lax regulatory practices. Over-regulation is the greatest barrier to entry.

In most product/service fields. Not healthcare. Same with food production.

Trust me.

You do NOT want deregulated healthcare.

TheFrenzy · 10-21-2016, 04:22 PM

Basic rule of thumb in capitalism:

The more necessary it is for survival (needs), the more regulation is needed. The less necessary it is for survival (wants), the less regulation is needed.

It's the reason homo sapiens formed societies (i.e. "regulation") in the first place - to ensure the production of survival necessities. Conversely, it's why the wide open field of consumer electronics has produced the incredible smart phone you may be reading this on.

For needs, we need regulation and security.
For wants, we can accommodate severe ups and down in the market because it leads to greater innovation.

calculusdork · 10-21-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

In most product/service fields. Not healthcare. Same with food production.

Trust me.

You do NOT want deregulated healthcare.

Oh ... I certainly didn't mean deregulated by any means. I'm mostly Libertarian and even I'm not saying that. I'm saying, too much regulation creates monopolies, regardless of the industry.

techtre2003 · 10-21-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

It will be interesting to see how many votes Bernie gets as a write in. It may be a lot more than anyone expects right now.

They will only be counted for seven states ((Oregon, Iowa, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and Vermont).

tacoma34 · 10-21-2016, 04:42 PM

Buddy at school traveled to Haiti the last couple years for dental mission trips. He was telling me that it is a FACT that the Haitians HATE the Clintons. Guess the people he treated were really vocal about it. I'm glad.

TheFrenzy · 10-21-2016, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by calculusdork

I'm saying, too much regulation creates monopolies, regardless of the industry.

It's certainly one side of the scale.

The other is complete deregulation which also allows monopolies to form, thus killing competition.

I would love a thread for raw economic discussion.

EDIT: I too have dabbled in libertarianism. Still have a modest streak. After many conversations and books I came to the conclusion that Libertarianism is usually right and usually an #@#@#@hole. They usually have the most effective solutions, but the least regard for wellbeing. Perhaps the best movie I've ever seen encapsulate the idea is "Would You Rather" - yes, the movie with the porn star Sasha Gray.

GOWIFB · 10-21-2016, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by swise0121

Are we just throwing out random false accusations???

Hey if a potential POTUS can do it then the rest of us may as well follow suit

swise0121 · 10-21-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Hey if a potential POTUS can do it then the rest of us may as well follow suit

That's just a great way of thinking. Voting Clinton?

GOWIFB · 10-21-2016, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by swise0121

That's just a great way of thinking. Voting Clinton?

lol I was just kidding....and yes I am voting Clinton although I may have to take some pepto bismol before pressing her name. Worst 2 candidates ever....

Skipscards · 10-21-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by noryan34

This! So much this. he was chosen by the people. Not by the party. Remember primaries are generally attended by each parties base so Trump was most popular among Republican base v. the other candidates running.

One thing the Dems are good at is running presidential elections. They have understood for years that the outcomes is not based on policy or political positions. As most that choose based on that have their mind made up before the first debate. But candidates win based on who 'looks' better or who looks 'less' bad. The win based of eliciting an emotion response in people whether positive or negative (Obama's was positive, Hillary's is negative). Republicans for all there ideas and policies I agree with have not yet grasped the art of swaying popular opinion.

I mean think about it. Technically only once in the last 30 years (Since Reagan) have Republicans won a presidential election (2004). But have dominated the congressional elections (which are less visible and usually more policy based) the past what 4-5 cycles?

Ummm, forgive me as my math may not bee two gud, but the GOP has won 3 elections in the last 30 years and the Dems have won 4.

Ray27Ray52 · 10-21-2016, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Ummm, forgive me as my math may not bee two gud, but the GOP has won 3 elections in the last 30 years and the Dems have won 4.

I assume he is not counting the highly controversial #@#@#@#@ show hanging chad election.

jlzinck · 10-21-2016, 05:50 PM

So if senators and congressmen should vote for their constituents why did the
inbread Mass congress members vote for this late term abortion of a bill? 96% of Massachusetts residents were covered by Romney care.

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Halbert · 10-21-2016, 08:16 PM

Guns n Roses said it best, we don't need no civil war

View Poll Results: 2016 Election
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Donald Trump	188	44.55%
Neither	153	36.26%
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trixstar Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 24,194 stunner316	I'm not going to get into an argument on how well or not well Obamacare is working. I work in the healthcare industry on the hospital side. All I will say is that for every person who is hurting from insurance hikes there are just as many people getting coverage for the first time in their life. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of people that I see or work with that are having coverage for illnesses that were previously non-covered. I don't know what the full answer is for everyone or if there ever will be one but I think Obamacare just needs some tweaks and fixes and not completely scrapped.

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TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Obamacare in a nutshell: Trying to fix the problem from the wrong side of the equation. As someone whose family sells medical equipment - the markup is insane because there is almost no competition. $1800 for a single spinal screw. $300 for a box of sterile suture thread. Capitalism is AMAZING, don't get me wrong. But it does have an achilles heel - monopolies and lack of competition. That's what the healthcare industry suffers from. By the time the bill reaches the patient, it's reached Godzilla-size and the only way to combat it is by having King Kong-sized insurance. So what should Obama and our government have done? Shrunk the Godzilla costs via price ceilings. What did they do? Mandated that everyone had to have their own King Kong insurance.

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TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Basic rule of thumb in capitalism: The more necessary it is for survival (needs), the more regulation is needed. The less necessary it is for survival (wants), the less regulation is needed. It's the reason homo sapiens formed societies (i.e. "regulation") in the first place - to ensure the production of survival necessities. Conversely, it's why the wide open field of consumer electronics has produced the incredible smart phone you may be reading this on. For needs, we need regulation and security. For wants, we can accommodate severe ups and down in the market because it leads to greater innovation.