Approximate print run for galactic?

[zebrastar]

Just wondering if there's a general consensus on the estimated galactic print runs for each year. I just picked up my 3rd Porzingis rc galactic!

[GeechQuest]

15 would be the approximate number.

[Wings]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

15 would be the approximate number.

You think so? I always assumed 5 or 10. That's just a guess though.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Here's the exact math.


250 cards with a "Galactic" parallel
150 cards with a "Futura" parallel /25

I've seen probably 15 cases opened and all cases have had EXACTLY 2 Galactic and 2 Futura cards (1 per inner case).

So:

150 (cards with the Futura parallel) x 25 (Futura parallel numbering) = 3750 Futura cards in total

3750 (Futura print run) / 2 (Futura parallels per case) = 1875 cases



So the galactic would be:

2 (Galactic parallels per case) x 1875 cases (the case run based on Futura math) = 3750 Galactic parallels

3750 (cards with Galactic parallel) / 250 (total cards with a Galactic Parallel) = 15, the print run of each Galactic card


Here's the math with pack odds (showstopper parallel)


1875 cases x 16 boxes per case x 8 packs per box = 240,000 packs

240,000 packs / 1323 packs (odds of showstopper Galactic) = 181.40

181.40 (total showstopper galactics) / 12 (number of cards in the showstopper set) = 15.11

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The exact math is done above but you are right and there are inconsistencies (when using Panini's pack odds)

Assuming each card has a print run of 15 (and I'm 99.99% sure that they do) here's what the breakdown would look like within each set:


Base Set (150 total cards x 15) = 2250 Galactics
New Wave (30 total cards x 15) = 450 Galactics
Rookie Revolution ( 25 total cards x 15) = 375 Galactics
Icons ( 33 total cards x 15) = 495 Galactics
Showstoppers ( 12 total cards x 15) = 180 Galactics

For a total of 3750 total Galactics, as referenced above.

If you reverse engineer the odds for each insert set (using the case run/pack run from above) you'll come out to this as well:

New Wave ( 1:528 packs):
240,000 / 528 (odds) = 454.54
454.54 / 30 (total cards in set) = 15.15

Rookie Revolution ( 1:632 packs):
240,000 / 632 (odds) = 379.74
379.74 / 25 (total cards in set) = 15.18

Icons ( 1:483 packs):
240,000 / 483 = 496.89
496.89 / 33 (total cards in set) = 15.05

Showstoppers ( 1:1323 packs):
240,000 / 1323 = 181.40
181.40 / 12 (total cards in set) = 15.11


Then you come to the Base Galactic

Base (1:288 packs):
240,000 / 288 = 833.33
833.33 / 150 (total cards in set) = 5.55

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever based on any observation of the case breaks. EVERY SINGLE MASTER CASE HAS 2 GALACTICS! There is 1 per inner case. If Panini's odds were real, then somebody should have opened a case (inner or master) without a Galactic, but I've yet to see it done.

I have no clue where the 288 number came from, but guaranteed the real odds of the Galactic Base is 1:96 packs. This would put it's print run at 15, and line up with pulling 2 Galactics per master case. I could show the math, although it's a lot more complicated, but in short the odds stated are for pulling a "certain" type (base or insert) of Galactic, not pulling "any" type Galactic.

If you open 8 boxes out of an inner case, you will be guaranteed 1 Galactic, 1 Futura, and 2 autos. So the actual odds of pulling "any" Galactic are exactly the same as pulling a Futura, even if the Futura has a higher print run.

TL;DR

Here's the math I did a while back.

There may be less just held back for replacements but according to the odds it's 15.

[Wings]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Here's the math I did a while back.

There may be less just held back for replacements but according to the odds it's 15.

Okay, since you're doing actual math and I'm just guessing, I'll go with 15. Which is kind of disappointing to me, I wish it was a little lower.

[Duvalier]

Awesome info...very cool GeechQuest.

[zebrastar]

15 for a rare non-numbered insert is a fantastic number! I love what panini has done with Revolution. Especially by bucking the trend and making the second year galactics even TOUGHER to pull. I would assume the print run remains the same but they doubled production due to popularity.

[Wings]

Originally Posted by zebrastar

15 for a rare non-numbered insert is a fantastic number! I love what panini has done with Revolution. Especially by bucking the trend and making the second year galactics even TOUGHER to pull. I would assume the print run remains the same but they doubled production due to popularity.

Do you know how many porzingis have been listed in total?

[zebrastar]

Originally Posted by Wings

Do you know how many porzingis have been listed in total?

I don't. I don't religiously search for them though, somebody else may know better. I pulled 1, bought 2. And have probably seen 2 others for sale.

[Wings]

Originally Posted by zebrastar

I don't. I don't religiously search for them though, somebody else may know better. I pulled 1, bought 2. And have probably seen 2 others for sale.

That's awesome you have three, hard to find a better looking card.

[GeechQuest]

Also, it's only 15 if every one was packed out. Plus they're rare enough and the product isnt built for "group-breaking" so I'd estimate that the majority of cases are still sealed.

There's a memeber who thinks the breakdown is 15 for the inserts, 10 for vets, and 20 for rookies. He thinks the rookies have double the print run because there's 50 of them total as opposed to 100 for the vets.

Last year Panini stated the odds for a "base galactic", this year the broke it down to "base veteran" and "base rookie". This year the print run is 100% the same across the board, I'd bet last years is as well but the way the odds were written last year it's possible they are not.

Still crazy considering what a parallel to 15 goes for when you compare that to Prizm/Select Golds /10. The sales dipped for a little bit some months back but are now stronger than ever.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by zebrastar

Just wondering if there's a general consensus on the estimated galactic print runs for each year. I just picked up my 3rd Porzingis rc galactic!

Any interest in selling/trading one?

[lucky4pei]

I really love its rarity and design. Tim Duncan 2 base and 1 showstoppers galactic are on the way to me.

Hope I could see them as soon as possible.

[Bruin7]

I appreciate the knowledge/math! Love the galactic but prefer the Futura parallels since they're numbered.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Also, it's only 15 if every one was packed out. Plus they're rare enough and the product isnt built for "group-breaking" so I'd estimate that the majority of cases are still sealed.

There's a memeber who thinks the breakdown is 15 for the inserts, 10 for vets, and 20 for rookies. He thinks the rookies have double the print run because there's 50 of them total as opposed to 100 for the vets.

Last year Panini stated the odds for a "base galactic", this year the broke it down to "base veteran" and "base rookie". This year the print run is 100% the same across the board, I'd bet last years is as well but the way the odds were written last year it's possible they are not.

Still crazy considering what a parallel to 15 goes for when you compare that to Prizm/Select Golds /10. The sales dipped for a little bit some months back but are now stronger than ever.

If I remember correctly, they did put the odds for Galactic Rookies and Galactic Base last season. I think the issue was that they had the same odds and people assume they had the same print run...however, since there were only 50 rookies compared to 100 veterans, there would be twice as many rookies as veterans.

Does anyone have a box from last season? I don't have one with me so I can't really tell if this was correct. The inserts, however, are definitively 15.

[istheskyblew]

are these numbers based on 15-16 or 16-17, seems like a tougher pull this year being 1 per master 16 box case versus the 1 per inner case of last year

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

If I remember correctly, they did put the odds for Galactic Rookies and Galactic Base last season. I think the issue was that they had the same odds and people assume they had the same print run...however, since there were only 50 rookies compared to 100 veterans, there would be twice as many rookies as veterans.

Does anyone have a box from last season? I don't have one with me so I can't really tell if this was correct. The inserts, however, are definitively 15.

I promise 100% they didn't separate the print runs for Vet and Rookie. Which is why the Base Galactic odds were actually higher last year (Vet odds are lower).

I wrote out exactly how the odds were listed in those calculations above.

Also, since we now have separate print runs you can confirm that 16/17 the rookie and vet galactics have identical print runs (double odds for rookies, with half the amount as vets).

I highly doubt they changed the format and decided this year to make the Galactic print run the same. I'm 99% positive the print run throughout all the sets was the same last year.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by istheskyblew

are these numbers based on 15-16 or 16-17, seems like a tougher pull this year being 1 per master 16 box case versus the 1 per inner case of last year

They're the same print run this year. You usually snagged 2 per master case last year (not always), while opposed to 1 per master case this year (not always). The case run has been increased which is why you're seeing them appear to fall at lower rates.

[zebrastar]

Originally Posted by NoleinJax

Any interest in selling/trading one?

If the sell/trade is heavily in my favor, of course

[christianfriend]

I was wondering the same thing about these galactics. I opened a pack the other day and pulled a Paul George.

[COMCMax]

The only Ben Simmons galactic I've seen was the one pulled on the boards.

[gottagitdemjs]

I hit a futura autographed rookie of Kris Dunn yesterday. After doing some research last night as well as asking on here, it appears that my pull has extremely long odds, yet they don't sell for a whole lot (there are only 5 total on ebay right now). That being said, I would think that if there are 25 of each Futura and a Kaleido 1/1, then the galactic print run must be somewhere between 2-24 copies (I would assume 10). It makes sense right?

[COMCMax]

Ben Simmons sold for $2300. I believe this is the one a BO member pulled?

16-17 Panini Revolution Ben Simmons GALACTIC Rookie SSP

[shaqfan2]

Originally Posted by gottagitdemjs

I hit a futura autographed rookie of Kris Dunn yesterday. After doing some research last night as well as asking on here, it appears that my pull has extremely long odds, yet they don't sell for a whole lot (there are only 5 total on ebay right now). That being said, I would think that if there are 25 of each Futura and a Kaleido 1/1, then the galactic print run must be somewhere between 2-24 copies (I would assume 10). It makes sense right?

Considering the case rates for all of the different types of Galactics and cases basically ensuring a Galactic, the ~15 number that is being thrown around makes sense.

[carmelo7]

Wow 15 only....nice, here is what I grab yesterday