2016 Topps Heritage Preliminary Info

[slugger82685]

I was pretty disappointed when I initially looked at the checklist, but it is what it is. Heritage is one of my favorite products of the year and I'm still looking forward to my case. The die hard collectors will still be after all the sets and SPs so no matter what the value will still be there, but like Brent said it just should have easily been a killer product.

[rainbowkiller]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

...Heritage High was huge, made collectors a lot of money and got guys hyped for 16 Heritage.....thats there formula for a let down. See 14 Ginter (great)- 15 Ginter (Bad). See 13 Finest (Great)-14 Finest (medicore--bad if you didnt hit a big name great)-15 Finest (Great). 14 STadium Club (Terrible)- 15 Stadium Club (Great). My Guess is 15 HHigh (great)- 16 Heritage (Medicore-Poor)......but will see.

Yeah, if Topps only made the same 2-3 products great every year, nobody would buy anything else. By keeping people guessing, they're increasing their sales. Topps definitely has some industrial psychologists on their staff!

[rrd111]

Most stars are the SP's again which is kind of what I expected

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

couple things
1) they were trying to grow the brand and make it the large staple it has become
2) there were better players for the auto sets in the 50s years
3) autos were just becoming a big thing in the hobby when heritage arrived in 2001, and most releases around there were small checklist and better stars
4) autos were very tough those first few years, very tough, only during the past few years did they start putting them 2-3 per case

I agree it used to be more star/HOF focused but as we get into later years it will become tougher for that, but my biggest collectors care more about the set with sp and errors than anything even back in the first 5 years of release
THAT IS NOT TO SAY the autos in both TH and Ginter were much better in the past in terms of BB HOF guys

These players were still part of the 60's, plus you have the newer stars of the 60's.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

These players were still part of the 60's, plus you have the newer stars of the 60's.

yes, and some of those have continued having heritage autos like aaron, koufax, etc
but my point was not for this year's checklist, but talking about first 5 years vs since, I personally think the checklist have been overall solid and don't really see the product as an auto-based product

I agree, the checklist this year is lacking compared, no doubt
I mean I understand no Koufax as 1966 was his last but Aaron could have been there and Gibson and Yaz among some others, but they may not have been able to get deals done or they may be in heritage high

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

KEvin, you are just plain wrong, and are viewing the past with rose-colored glasses. I have every heritage auto and there ahve NEVER been 20 hof'ers in a heritage set....and autos (even in the 2001-2006) zone were about 1 (maybe 2) per case! (recall that cases were only 8 boxes)

to say this was an autograph set is ludicrous. never has been the focus. 2009 WAS a low-water mark with no hall of famers, but 2010-2015 there have been a good group of 7-10 hof'ers per year. Now this year we are down to 2, so again, its disappointing for sure.

At least these days (2013-2016?) we can get about 3-4 autos per case. better than the old days (1 auto per case).

this is what I was getting at, agree

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

I'm glad fewer people are buying cases this year, means less people who will race to the bottom.

actually from all I have hard more cases have been pre-sold, and there are more pre-sellers of master sets and base sets than last year
some were pre-selling 60 days out and at $100 less on master sets than last year and $10-$15 less on base sets, which had me very baffled, so prices are at all-time presale low. I have never averaged under $300 for my master sets but now all sets listed are 259-299 for most part

is what it is, I personally think base set is strongest ever and with shipping increases I had hoped for a little better out of them, and perhaps the base sets rise at release once folks see pics and checklist; series 1 held much better this year than last

[mfw13]

The only thing that's disappointing is the Real One auto checklist:

2016 - Only HOFers are Ryan and Kaline
2015 - HOFers included Kaline, Brooks Robinson, Marichal, Brock, Cepeda, Niekro, Carlton, and Koufax

What's puzzling is the fact that many HOFer have autos in other insert sets from the product, but not Real One Autos. For example:

Cepeda, Carew, Marichal, Bench, Brock, Frank Robinson, Willie Mays, Perez, and Niekro are are part of Dual Autographs. Reggie Jackson has a Flashback Relics auto. Hank Aaron has a Punchouts Box Loader autograph.

The question is why don't any of these players have Real One autographs given that they are in the set?

And not having Gibson (1967 WS MVP) and Yaz (Triple Crown) autos for a 1967 themed set is inexcusable....

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The only thing that's disappointing is the Real One auto checklist:

2016 - Only HOFers are Ryan and Kaline
2015 - HOFers included Kaline, Brooks Robinson, Marichal, Brock, Cepeda, Niekro, Carlton, and Koufax

What's puzzling is the fact that many HOFer have autos in other insert sets from the product, but not Real One Autos. For example:

Cepeda, Carew, Marichal, Bench, Brock, Frank Robinson, Willie Mays, Perez, and Niekro are are part of Dual Autographs. Reggie Jackson has a Flashback Relics auto. Hank Aaron has a Punchouts Box Loader autograph.

The question is why don't any of these players have Real One autographs given that they are in the set?

And not having Gibson (1967 WS MVP) and Yaz (Triple Crown) autos for a 1967 themed set is inexcusable....

I agree with this (unless they couldn't get Gibson and Yaz for some reason)
Hoping for High Number

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

actually from all I have hard more cases have been pre-sold, and there are more pre-sellers of master sets and base sets than last year
some were pre-selling 60 days out and at $100 less on master sets than last year and $10-$15 less on base sets, which had me very baffled, so prices are at all-time presale low. I have never averaged under $300 for my master sets but now all sets listed are 259-299 for most part

is what it is, I personally think base set is strongest ever and with shipping increases I had hoped for a little better out of them, and perhaps the base sets rise at release once folks see pics and checklist; series 1 held much better this year than last

That is the bubble....continually getting closer to bursting.

[HeritageKing]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

KEvin, you are just plain wrong, and are viewing the past with rose-colored glasses. I have every heritage auto and there ahve NEVER been 20 hof'ers in a heritage set....and autos (even in the 2001-2006) zone were about 1 (maybe 2) per case! (recall that cases were only 8 boxes)

to say this was an autograph set is ludicrous. never has been the focus. 2009 WAS a low-water mark with no hall of famers, but 2010-2015 there have been a good group of 7-10 hof'ers per year. Now this year we are down to 2, so again, its disappointing for sure.

At least these days (2013-2016?) we can get about 3-4 autos per case. better than the old days (1 auto per case).

Good to see you here Jim. I hope all is well. This might be the first year that the CU boards aren't THE place for heritage discussion. Lots of opinions here.

I'm not sure where this became a discussion about odds vs content. You are right real ones have always been a tough pull, but that is what made pulling one magical! I can remember where I was when I pulled everyone one of my heritage autos....well at least the good ones. Isn't that was card collecting is about? Count the number of hall of fame and future hofers in that 01 set. Gotta be close to 20. What was even better is the chance to pull Willie Mays was the same as pulling Joe Mays. Now we don't even get print runs!

My beef as far as the autographs go, is that no one is going to be happy pulling 95% of those guys. While heritage used to be about big name players and the players who made that year memorable, now it's about some pitcher who threw 8 innings in 67 and then retired. What is that about? Topps can guarantee a hall of famer in a case of finest, but can't in 10 maybe even 20 cases of heritage?

Who collects these guys on the real one list? Forget pull odds, not everyone busts packs, but the cards were collected heavily for years. They were beautiful. Now, I need Google to find out who these guys were.

Like I said before. Topps relies on past success and sees just how little they can put into packs. My question for everyone is....if the new guys to heritage are disappointed and the vets are disappointed, then who is buying this product besides the sight unseen case rippers?

I know topps, they never made a product better the next year if no one complained. So much is fun with heritage, but why does topps have to continually disappoint?

Kevin

[notoriousrmb]

And yet if they keep putting the same HOF'ers in the product, people would complain about oversaturation of those autographs. Recycled names on new cards year after year. Rising product costs to get those names.

I agree some (most?) of the names are watered down, but with the print runs of some of these products I don't think Topps can do 500 autos of each of the top guys and still keep the price point. And we know they won't slow the presses...

[psu92]

Is it possible that there might be some 2016 Topps Heritage hitting retail this weekend?

[slugger82685]

Originally Posted by psu92

Is it possible that there might be some 2016 Topps Heritage hitting retail this weekend?

Anything is possible

[psu92]

Originally Posted by slugger82685

Anything is possible

The past couple years retail has been released before hobby. I was just wondering if anyone has heard that Topps will be doing the same thing this year.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by psu92

The past couple years retail has been released before hobby. I was just wondering if anyone has heard that Topps will be doing the same thing this year.

Release calendar shows blasters not even on the calendar until a week after hobby releases. I'm guessing they are purposely slowing the retail shipment?

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Looks like kittycatcards in Romulus, Michigan got boxes early; 2016 topps heritage | eBay

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Looks like kittycatcards in Romulus, Michigan got boxes early; 2016 topps heritage | eBay

My dist got it today... But still kind of schocked... 5 days...

Topps does not care and will do nothing about it.. I don't blame them for posing it....

Huge advantage to this guy...

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Looks like kittycatcards in Romulus, Michigan got boxes early; 2016 topps heritage | eBay

Originally Posted by kyle1707

My dist got it today... But still kind of schocked... 5 days...

Topps does not care and will do nothing about it.. I don't blame them for posing it....

Huge advantage to this guy...

He has a Bazooka card posted, so I'd assume this is just some early retail??

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

He has a Bazooka card posted, so I'd assume this is just some early retail??

I saw that also... Black ref in retail?

If so I guess it is probably retail.....

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

I saw that also... Black ref in retail?

If so I guess it is probably retail.....

Yeah you can get Black in retail.

It's a win-win either way. IF this is hobby, then Bazooka is just added value.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Looks like kittycatcards has been early on other releases too; http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ome-early.html

[gpenko826]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Looks like kittycatcards in Romulus, Michigan got boxes early; 2016 topps heritage | eBay

And this idiot is already selling SP cards at less than $2... I'm ready to be done with this whole thing. He gets it 5 days early and is already shorting the market? I know, I know - it's one guy. But it's the principal of the thing - people who have literally ZERO idea of what they're doing with ZERO business sense screwing it up for everyone else.

[kyle1707]

I think it is hobby

2016 Heritage Purple Chrome David Ortiz 438 Red Sox | eBay

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by gpenko826

And this idiot is already selling SP cards at less than $2... I'm ready to be done with this whole thing. He gets it 5 days early and is already shorting the market? I know, I know - it's one guy. But it's the principal of the thing - people who have literally ZERO idea of what they're doing with ZERO business sense screwing it up for everyone else.

Agree I would be 1-3 day auction on all this.......