2016 Topps Heritage Preliminary Info

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by KUHawk

Do you ever grow weary of being negative all of the time? Just curious if it ever just wears you down physically or emotionally?

I'm fine with the comments... Its a forum...

But I always want to ask this same question... Because of the constant unhappiness with Heritage Ginter etc...

Just because of your name,.. Heritageking.

I always thought you loved and collected heritage?

Do you open Heritage and make sets still?

[erock28]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Why not just buy 2015 high number?

I've had my fill, and it was VERY good to me.

To respond to your other post regarding pre/post 2006, I don't see how any product that has historically - to my knowledge - only included 1-3 autos per case be considered an auto seekers product. I get that some folks may have built the auto sets, and the names were much stronger top to bottom in terms of HOFers. For me, the product has always been about building the set and finding the goodies (SSPs, numbered relics, chrome, etc.)...autos have just been icing on the cake.

[HeritageKing]

The problem I see is that turn over is such a problem at topps, that no one takes pride in these products anymore. The guys who came up with 01 and 03 heritage are long gone. Heritage was always about the past, there are plenty of modern sets today, heck, there are even other modern heritage sets....high number, minor league......

The thrill of the hunt was always pulling nice cards of guys who played back in the year being honored. It was like going back in time and reliving that year in baseball. The autographs were stars who had their rookie season that year. Banks, Brooks, Kaline. Those were beautiful cards. That 52 set with all the old pictures combined with those bold colors was just amazing. Cards were airbrushed to look old. Check out the 53 set. Topps even matched up the checklists so hofers card numbers were the same as current stars today and then they were matched up on then and now cards.

Now it is just pump and dump. I mean, why would anyone buy this over 66 dollar boxes of high number? The only good autos in 2016 are the same ones in 2015 high number, but the base set in high number blows the stuff out of the water, not to mention rc's of Bryant and Correa.

Topps has put zero effort into heritage. You all are going to reward them with you hard earned money?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Ha. I was going to but I rushed through 3 cases of heritage high # and was unhappy that I couldn't enjoy it.

That's right! I thought I remembered a plane in there somewhere.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

That's right! I thought I remembered a plane in there somewhere.

After seeing the checklist quite pleased be cracking any.

[houstonrules51]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

The problem I see is that turn over is such a problem at topps, that no one takes pride in these products anymore. The guys who came up with 01 and 03 heritage are long gone. Heritage was always about the past, there are plenty of modern sets today, heck, there are even other modern heritage sets....high number, minor league......

The thrill of the hunt was always pulling nice cards of guys who played back in the year being honored. It was like going back in time and reliving that year in baseball. The autographs were stars who had their rookie season that year. Banks, Brooks, Kaline. Those were beautiful cards. That 52 set with all the old pictures combined with those bold colors was just amazing. Cards were airbrushed to look old. Check out the 53 set. Topps even matched up the checklists so hofers card numbers were the same as current stars today and then they were matched up on then and now cards.

Now it is just pump and dump. I mean, why would anyone buy this over 66 dollar boxes of high number? The only good autos in 2016 are the same ones in 2015 high number, but the base set in high number blows the stuff out of the water, not to mention rc's of Bryant and Correa.

Topps has put zero effort into heritage. You all are going to reward them with you hard earned money?

YES to all of this. There is such potential in heritage and this year seems to be a step away.

Also, Topps is on its whole, "rediscover" campaign and they should see what a hit the buybacks in 16 are. It shouldn't be too difficult to incorporate some of HKing's suggestions and they could really hit a home run - I think they hit a single... maybe bunted or leaned into a pitch just to get on base.

I'm still buying my 3 boxes but probably not more than that (although I'll try and grab a Seager auto if the hype train hasn't pushed them too far)

[BigSeph]

Seems I'm in the minority, but I hope Topps keeps this format for Heritage.

Stars and vets in regular Heritage.

Rookies and RC variations in Heritage High#.

It's the only product from Topps that I will continue to buy, due to how consistent it is at returning value.

[cj828282]

There are still many things we don't know yet about the product such as color swaps, action variations, unannounced SP's, etc. that will bring value but will not be known until we start seeing breaks.

[edclay]

Originally Posted by cj828282

There are still many things we don't know yet about the product such as color swaps, action variations, unannounced SP's, etc. that will bring value but will not be known until we start seeing breaks.

Wisdom beyond your post count

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by cj828282

There are still many things we don't know yet about the product such as color swaps, action variations, unannounced SP's, etc. that will bring value but will not be known until we start seeing breaks.

I agree it will be just as good as always... So many buyers...

But it does get me...

Topps has what 6-8 products where they can really fit vet autos in it

With the popularity of heritage it makes no sense the real one checklist is not much better

kaline
yaz
Koufax
aaron
harper
trout
correa
Bryant
etc....

This is as confusing to me as much as the hof thing in ginter last year...

What makes topps tick????

[HeritageKing]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

I agree it will be just as good as always... So many buyers...

But it does get me...

Topps has what 6-8 products where they can really fit vet autos in it

With the popularity of heritage it makes no sense the real one checklist is not much better

kaline
yaz
Koufax
aaron
harper
trout
correa
Bryant
etc....

This is as confusing to me as much as the hof thing in ginter last year...

What makes topps tick????

You just answered your own question. What does heritage and ginter have in common...they were once good and topps thinks they can sell garbage on those past products. The truth is that ginter and heritage haven't been good for a long time.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

You just answered your own question. What does heritage and ginter have in common...they were once good and topps thinks they can sell garbage on those past products. The truth is that ginter and heritage haven't been good for a long time.

But Heritage still sells! That's the point my man. You may not like it, but plenty of collectors do. I made 55% profit on 7 cases of Heritage last year and that is mostly based on the loyal collectors who pay good money to build the sets and collect the parallels.

The same will happen this year. You'll cry foul for the next two weeks but the collectors will still be buying.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by cj828282

There are still many things we don't know yet about the product such as color swaps, action variations, unannounced SP's, etc. that will bring value but will not be known until we start seeing breaks.

agree, but I would say we already know of that value since they are there year after year and are expected

as I said, still looking forward and will be a great release but it could have been over-the-top with some more top rc in chrome for parallels and maybe a few more HOF in the autos
and not like it will be worse than any other year as heritage is never rookie driven or focused, just was hoping for a little bit of extra goodies

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by Doublexthebeast

Brent, how many cases are you doing this year?

always 40

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Those who collected heritage pre 2006= believe heritage is an autograph set.
Those who recently collected heritage= say it's a set collectors product.

For those who don't know your history, I wouldn't go back and see what heritage used to be about. You will be shocked. Every year watered down a little more. From 20+ hall of fame on the real one checklist to just 2.

...but topps knows you are salavating for baseball, so why make it good?

couple things
1) they were trying to grow the brand and make it the large staple it has become
2) there were better players for the auto sets in the 50s years
3) autos were just becoming a big thing in the hobby when heritage arrived in 2001, and most releases around there were small checklist and better stars
4) autos were very tough those first few years, very tough, only during the past few years did they start putting them 2-3 per case

I agree it used to be more star/HOF focused but as we get into later years it will become tougher for that, but my biggest collectors care more about the set with sp and errors than anything even back in the first 5 years of release
THAT IS NOT TO SAY the autos in both TH and Ginter were much better in the past in terms of BB HOF guys

[chezball]

Originally Posted by KUHawk

Do you ever grow weary of being negative all of the time? Just curious if it ever just wears you down physically or emotionally?

HK is baseball's version of k13.

[GreatAlbert]

Sure the checklist could be better, but couldn't it always be better? I'm a little surprised that a few of the names in the base set aren't SP'd as I thought Bryant would be a lock. But I digress, as I am a set builder and am opening a case for my set and to enjoy the time spent opening with my dad. I do the master set, actions, color swaps, and chromes/purples each year. The first week is huge for Heritage so anyone opening should be able to do decent. This and flagship Topps are folks' best chance to do well year after year. HeritageKing was negative last year as well when the checklist was released, so it isn't surprising that he is back this year. Will never be happy.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by GreatAlbert

Sure the checklist could be better, but couldn't it always be better? I'm a little surprised that a few of the names in the base set aren't SP'd as I thought Bryant would be a lock. But I digress, as I am a set builder and am opening a case for my set and to enjoy the time spent opening with my dad. I do the master set, actions, color swaps, and chromes/purples each year. The first week is huge for Heritage so anyone opening should be able to do decent. This and flagship Topps are folks' best chance to do well year after year. HeritageKing was negative last year as well when the checklist was released, so it isn't surprising that he is back this year. Will never be happy.

This ^^^^ +1. (Though I bust my one case with my girls.)

I'm looking forward to it as I do every year. That being said, from a design stand point I'm more looking forward to 1971...

[parkerj33]

KEvin, you are just plain wrong, and are viewing the past with rose-colored glasses. I have every heritage auto and there ahve NEVER been 20 hof'ers in a heritage set....and autos (even in the 2001-2006) zone were about 1 (maybe 2) per case! (recall that cases were only 8 boxes)

to say this was an autograph set is ludicrous. never has been the focus. 2009 WAS a low-water mark with no hall of famers, but 2010-2015 there have been a good group of 7-10 hof'ers per year. Now this year we are down to 2, so again, its disappointing for sure.

At least these days (2013-2016?) we can get about 3-4 autos per case. better than the old days (1 auto per case).

[Dbacksbaseball]

I guess I don't understand the hate for Heritage King. I think his points are valid. I had fully planned to grab a few cases but the checklist has me leary. I like to think of it as I will be able to break back even on SP's sets and parallels over the course of the first few days. Any major profit is in the form of hitting big on an auto or SSP relic. With guys like Trout, Harper, Koufax etc out....and only 2 HOF....that is killer for me.

Plus, we all see how products go with Topps, they kill it one release to let you down the next.

Heritage High was huge, made collectors a lot of money and got guys hyped for 16 Heritage.....thats there formula for a let down. See 14 Ginter (great)- 15 Ginter (Bad). See 13 Finest (Great)-14 Finest (medicore--bad if you didnt hit a big name great)-15 Finest (Great). 14 STadium Club (Terrible)- 15 Stadium Club (Great). My Guess is 15 HHigh (great)- 16 Heritage (Medicore-Poor)......but will see.

[valleyofsun]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I guess I don't understand the hate for Heritage King. I think his points are valid. I had fully planned to grab a few cases but the checklist has me leary. I like to think of it as I will be able to break back even on SP's sets and parallels over the course of the first few days. Any major profit is in the form of hitting big on an auto or SSP relic. With guys like Trout, Harper, Koufax etc out....and only 2 HOF....that is killer for me.

Plus, we all see how products go with Topps, they kill it one release to let you down the next.

Heritage High was huge, made collectors a lot of money and got guys hyped for 16 Heritage.....thats there formula for a let down. See 14 Ginter (great)- 15 Ginter (Bad). See 13 Finest (Great)-14 Finest (medicore--bad if you didnt hit a big name great)-15 Finest (Great). 14 STadium Club (Terrible)- 15 Stadium Club (Great). My Guess is 15 HHigh (great)- 16 Heritage (Medicore-Poor)......but will see.

^^^couldn't agree more....was also going to grab a few cases but after seeing that checklist with there being barely any RC and a poor auto checklist I am now out.

[parkerj33]

No hate for HK, we go way back and have known each other a long time. I only disagree with some of his stated "facts". He has very good points about Topps and just wants them to do better. Nothing wrong with that sentiment!

[Carrbeaz]

I'm glad fewer people are buying cases this year, means less people who will race to the bottom.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

I'm glad fewer people are buying cases this year, means less people who will race to the bottom.

As well stated as this is, I'm sure there will be plenty of $.99 auctions on cards that would sell for $3-$5 if put as a BIN.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Looking forward to busting two cases but still waiting on a 2013 Topps Heritage triple auto of Musual, Groat and Gibson makes me really hate Heritage redemptions.