The Official 2023 NFC North Thread

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Nico Collins is 8th in the league in receiving yards.

Ravens are one of the few run heavy, rely on defense teams in the league. That model is hard to excel at in todays game. You don’t need a valuable receiver when you can do that. Very few can these days.

Mahomes has had the worst year of his career with the receivers he has had. Another team relying on defense to keep them in and win games right now.

Love doesn’t have any stud receivers, correct, but they are just hitting a hot stride where everything is going good.

Give up on the idea of trading Jefferson. It is absolutely asinine to think it’s the right move. Just like thinking Nix is the future at QB. Both absolutely horrendous takes.

Moldy taken to woodshed by fellow Vikes fan with actual knowledge of the sport.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

What are you talking about?? This is whack.

Originally Posted by Grid View Post
Since the Vikings fans have been super quite in here. Let me post this question for the group, since the Packer Backers want to debate NFC Championships.

The Vikings have appeared in four Super Bowls (1970, 1974, 1975, and 1977), losing each time. Would you rather have NEVER won the NFC, since losing all of your Super Bowls is a bit embarrassing. But is it still worth it, to have raised the Halas Trophy 4 times?

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Way better to never have won it than to have lost SB x4

To be fair, you did say you would rather not win the NFC Conference game, then win it. If it means losing in the Super Bowl.

Dont worry, you will get your wish!

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Grid

Originally Posted by Grid View Post
Since the Vikings fans have been super quite in here. Let me post this question for the group, since the Packer Backers want to debate NFC Championships.

The Vikings have appeared in four Super Bowls (1970, 1974, 1975, and 1977), losing each time. Would you rather have NEVER won the NFC, since losing all of your Super Bowls is a bit embarrassing. But is it still worth it, to have raised the Halas Trophy 4 times?



To be fair, you did say you would rather not win the NFC Conference game, then win it. If it means losing in the Super Bowl.

Dont worry, you will get your wish!

OK, I'm sure this makes sense to you as some kind of burn on me, so, cool, I guess?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

OK, I'm sure this makes sense to you as some kind of burn on me, so, cool, I guess?

Apparently it was a burn on Bears fans, when we brought up that we won the NFC in 2006. As I guess that doesn't count, since they lost the Super Bowl. So Bears fans must live in 1985.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. And just making it to the NFC Championship game, would be a success for the Lions to their fans.

On a sincere note, no matter what, the Lions are having a good season. And you rightfully should be excited right now. While Packers fans will laugh, winning the North AND a playoff game, is a big accomplishment for the rest of us!

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Grid

Originally Posted by Grid View Post
Since the Vikings fans have been super quite in here. Let me post this question for the group, since the Packer Backers want to debate NFC Championships.

The Vikings have appeared in four Super Bowls (1970, 1974, 1975, and 1977), losing each time. Would you rather have NEVER won the NFC, since losing all of your Super Bowls is a bit embarrassing. But is it still worth it, to have raised the Halas Trophy 4 times?



To be fair, you did say you would rather not win the NFC Conference game, then win it. If it means losing in the Super Bowl.

Dont worry, you will get your wish!

You can’t win it if you are not in it ! AKA in College Football - Georgia. I could care less if you believe you can beat anybody but they were beat by Bama. Be in the game ! I would much rather lose a Super Bowl then never be in one with the opportunity to win.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

Apparently it was a burn on Bears fans, when we brought up that we won the NFC in 2006. As I guess that doesn't count, since they lost the Super Bowl. So Bears fans must live in 1985.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. And just making it to the NFC Championship game, would be a success for the Lions to their fans.

On a sincere note, no matter what, the Lions are having a good season. And you rightfully should be excited right now. While Packers fans will laugh, winning the North AND a playoff game, is a big accomplishment for the rest of us!

Remember Bull Hurley from Over The Top. "Being number one is everything. There is no second place, Second place SUCKS".

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Stifle

You can’t win it if you are not in it ! AKA in College Football - Georgia. I could care less if you believe you can beat anybody but they were beat by Bama. Be in the game ! I would much rather lose a Super Bowl then never be in one with the opportunity to win.

Yup! Which is why we still pat ourselves on the back over the 2006 season here in Chicago. Even if some in here think its worthless to just win the NFC.

Originally Posted by packman80

Remember Bull Hurley from Over The Top. "Being number one is everything. There is no second place, Second place SUCKS".

Second place is the first loser! But still second out of 32 LOL. Some of us take that as a win.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Nico Collins is 8th in the league in receiving yards.

Ravens are one of the few run heavy, rely on defense teams in the league. That model is hard to excel at in todays game. You don’t need a valuable receiver when you can do that. Very few can these days.

Mahomes has had the worst year of his career with the receivers he has had. Another team relying on defense to keep them in and win games right now.

Love doesn’t have any stud receivers, correct, but they are just hitting a hot stride where everything is going good.

Give up on the idea of trading Jefferson. It is absolutely asinine to think it’s the right move. Just like thinking Nix is the future at QB. Both absolutely horrendous takes.

Nico had a good year because of Stroud, not the other way around. Tell me how big a stud he was without Stroud his first two years?

[jplarson]

In Bears news, I read the team is interviewing Zac Robinson. The 8th OC candidate. Reminds me of the year the Bears brought in 100 kickers from the tri-state area and 20 tight ends because Nagy's brain irrevocably broke.

Originally Posted by packman80

Remember Bull Hurley from Over The Top. "Being number one is everything. There is no second place, Second place SUCKS".

Eh, might suck for fans with a recent record of success. A lot of teams would love to make a Super Bowl appearance. I can't live by that mantra because the vast majority of seasons would be disappointing. Who wants to subject themselves to always being negative?

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Nico had a good year because of Stroud, not the other way around. Tell me how big a stud he was without Stroud his first two years?

Or, just maybe, it had something to do with the system and opportunity his first two seasons. You don’t finish top 10 in receiving yards for the season and not be good. Dude has to get open and catch the ball. Stroud isn’t doing that for him.

But keep going on about how trading JJ would be so wise, all while you also want freaking Bo Nix, who will be a 24 year old rookie who had one good collegiate season in 5 years, to be the future of the franchise at QB. You want a young QB, but want to take away arguably the best receiving option in the NFL, who would help a young QB. Makes sense.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Moldy taken to woodshed by fellow Vikes fan with actual knowledge of the sport.

It’s one of those fake news takes your boy loves to ramble on about.

No real counterpoints.

Any team putting a huge chunk of their payroll in a WR is going to be handcuffed when you can find a, say, Nico Collins and turn them into a “stud” with the right QB. And that QB can’t be a broken down, gimpy, 36 year old stat padding loser who, surprise! was .500 this year. Only a delusional oaf of a fanatic would think the Vikes would have suddenly run the table if Kirk wouldn’t have gotten hurt. At best they maybe win two more games.

I guess the proof will be in what they do in the off season.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Or, just maybe, it had something to do with the system and opportunity his first two seasons. You don’t finish top 10 in receiving yards for the season and not be good. Dude has to get open and catch the ball. Stroud isn’t doing that for him.

But keep going on about how trading JJ would be so wise, all while you also want freaking Bo Nix, who will be a 24 year old rookie who had one good collegiate season in 5 years, to be the future of the franchise at QB. You want a young QB, but want to take away arguably the best receiving option in the NFL, who would help a young QB. Makes sense.

Bo Nix puts the Bo in Bowman..... and, uh, removes the Pe from Penix.

Yeah, think about it.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Or, just maybe, it had something to do with the system and opportunity his first two seasons. You don’t finish top 10 in receiving yards for the season and not be good. Dude has to get open and catch the ball. Stroud isn’t doing that for him.

But keep going on about how trading JJ would be so wise, all while you also want freaking Bo Nix, who will be a 24 year old rookie who had one good collegiate season in 5 years, to be the future of the franchise at QB. You want a young QB, but want to take away arguably the best receiving option in the NFL, who would help a young QB. Makes sense.

Is 71.9 completion percentage, 3500 yards, 29 tds, 7 INTs and a 165.7 rating a bad line?

You didn’t even look at Nix’s career, did you?

You and your intrinsic knowledge on full display again. If only everyone could know as much about sports through sheer osmosis as you do

[oldgoldy97]

Five of the top 20 receivers going off yards are still playing.

Guess I’m more concerned with winning and less with gaudy stat padding.

[oldgoldy97]

I don’t want a 24 year old rookie, that’s too old!

I’d rather have a 36 year old proven loser coming off a torn Achilles who’s going to require a huge chunk of the salary cap.

Can’t make this up

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I don’t want a 24 year old rookie, that’s too old!

I’d rather have a 36 year old proven loser coming off a torn Achilles who’s going to require a huge chunk of the salary cap.

Can’t make this up

Yes, just sell the team and any valuable asset. Kirk on a 2 year is what makes logical sense. Throwing a rookie QB who isn’t ready to be a day one starter, which is all the rookie QBs not named Williams or Maye, is what sets a franchise back 5 years. We’ve seen teams do that time and time again. Yet you want to start a QB who won’t be ready AND get rid of the one guy who would be able to help him out. Thankfully you aren’t the GM of this team. You seem to think all draft picks automatically hit and that all will be fine and dandy trading away sure things for picks that you hope develop into what the sure thing is that you traded.

And yes, a 24 year rookie QB is not ideal. There’s a reason he played collegiately until he had no eligibility left. He is not good. He played in a conference known for lack of defense in the PAC-12. Tell me how good he was when he was in the SEC and why Auburn fans couldn’t stand him?

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

It’s one of those fake news takes your boy loves to ramble on about.

No real counterpoints.

Any team putting a huge chunk of their payroll in a WR is going to be handcuffed when you can find a, say, Nico Collins and turn them into a “stud” with the right QB. And that QB can’t be a broken down, gimpy, 36 year old stat padding loser who, surprise! was .500 this year. Only a delusional oaf of a fanatic would think the Vikes would have suddenly run the table if Kirk wouldn’t have gotten hurt. At best they maybe win two more games.

I guess the proof will be in what they do in the off season.

This post tells me all I need to know about your football knowledge. Kirk isn’t the reason for the 1-4 start. Guys like Mattison fumbling nonstop was the reason. Kirk had just beaten the 49ers and Packers, back to back, but was only going to win 2 more games all season?! The Vikings losing by 1 to Denver, 2 to Chicago, and 3 to Cincy with journeymen under center, but Kirk isn’t winning those games stick to your day job because sports analyzing isn’t your strong suit. Carry on now, buddy. Your terrible takes aren’t needed anymore.

[cnewby]

3 posts in a row? Someones riled up.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by cnewby

3 posts in a row? Someones riled up.

Moldy = all dish, no take. Skin too thin - like paper!

[Kent Clements]

Originally Posted by Grid

I did. Are you really going to argue both the New York Jets and the New York Giants aren't really New York teams, because their stadium stands 5 miles outside New York City?

Ive already pointed out the hypocrisy of the Arlington Cowboys and Santa Clara 49ers. If you don't like it, take it up with the league. Not with me.

Or if you argument is that you are a Bills Fan, in the state of New York. That isn't much better than being a Lions fan now. Which Super Bowl did the Bills win again?

Once again there are three New York teams in the NFL !!!

[Kent Clements]

Lions in Championship game !!!!

[escapegoat]

bears reportedly targeting waldron as next OC. sad to see him go in a way, many talk about him being handcuffed so to speak by Pete Carroll. we’ll see. it’s definitely an improvement though for Fields and company, and i’m wishing him the best! he did wonders for genos career imo.