The Official 2023 NFC North Thread - Page 50

Grid · 10-02-2023, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

Bears have been owned by pretty much every team in the NFL lately. On pace to be the worst team in the NFL in back to back years. At least GB has not lost to the Bears since 2020.

No doubt! But I cant see how or why my embarrassment, somehow cancels out yours...

Like the Packers cant be owned by the Lions, since everyone has beaten the Bears lately? Make it make sense!

packman80 · 10-02-2023, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

No doubt! But I cant see how or why my embarrassment, somehow cancels out yours...

Like the Packers cant be owned by the Lions, since everyone has beaten the Bears lately? Make it make sense!

Yeah packers have been pathetic with the Lions the last few seasons.

jplarson · 10-02-2023, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

No doubt! But I cant see how or why my embarrassment, somehow cancels out yours...

Like the Packers cant be owned by the Lions, since everyone has beaten the Bears lately? Make it make sense!

It's so weird he says the Bears have been owned by everyone lately but clings to the Packers being better than the Bears. As if literally every other team in the NFL couldn't also make that claim. Nice participation trophy for the Packers I guess.

Hopefully he doesn't keep getting quoted, I'm sure with how obsessed he is over getting my attention he's dying to sneak them through any way he can.

hairysasquatch · 10-02-2023, 02:39 PM

This is the greatest football thread of all time.

Grid · 10-02-2023, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

This is the greatest football thread of all time.

Hairy

Threads about the Lions from 1993-2022...

Threads about the Lions THIS year, and THIS year only!

hairysasquatch · 10-02-2023, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Hairy

Threads about the Lions from 1993-2022...

Threads about the Lions THIS year, and THIS year only!

Being a Lions fan, one acquires an exceedingly short memory.

I'd recommend to my Bears friends once the dumpster fire is extinguished in Chicago and they begin some kind of rebuild. Until then, cling to 1985!

jplarson · 10-02-2023, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I'd recommend to my Bears friends once the dumpster fire is extinguished in Chicago and they begin some kind of rebuild. Until then, cling to 1985!

Pshhhh, then how are we gonna stay warm this winter? Getting grazed by bullets is a very temporary solution.

Grid · 10-03-2023, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Being a Lions fan, one acquires an exceedingly short memory.

I'd recommend to my Bears friends once the dumpster fire is extinguished in Chicago and they begin some kind of rebuild. Until then, cling to 1985!

We dont have to go all the way back to 1985. 2006 was pretty cool as well!

erock28 · 10-03-2023, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid

We dont have to go all the way back to 1985. 2006 was pretty cool as well!

I don't understand while you keep bringing up your almost championship in 2006? I mean, I get that 1985 was a loooooooong time ago...but winning your conference and not the Big Game just makes you the best loser. I don't know a single Packer fan who relishes the Green Bay loss to Denver in the 1998 bowl.

As for the Lions, let's call it like it is - they currently own Green Bay. Four in a row, and clearly the better 53 man roster last Thursday. I don't think they are THAT much better than GB - Packers need to gut through this brutal injury stretch and try to stay relevant in the division...but doesn't change the fact that the Lions are better. Will they stay better in 2024 and beyond? Anyone's guess at this point. Will they be SO much better over the next 10-12 years that they end up 25-4 vs. the Packers over the last 29 regular season games? Highly doubtful as there is no way that could happen in the NFL.

Oh wait...it has happened.

jplarson · 10-03-2023, 10:32 AM

packman80 · 10-03-2023, 12:16 PM

The Packers, Bears, and Lions at least have a championship to claim. The Vikings fans sometimes try to claim the 1969 NFL championship as a title since that was the last year before the merger even though it really is nothing but the modern day version of the NFC championship trophy.

Grid · 10-03-2023, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by erock28

I don't understand while you keep bringing up your almost championship in 2006? I mean, I get that 1985 was a loooooooong time ago...but winning your conference and not the Big Game just makes you the best loser. I don't know a single Packer fan who relishes the Green Bay loss to Denver in the 1998 bowl.

As for the Lions, let's call it like it is - they currently own Green Bay. Four in a row, and clearly the better 53 man roster last Thursday. I don't think they are THAT much better than GB - Packers need to gut through this brutal injury stretch and try to stay relevant in the division...but doesn't change the fact that the Lions are better. Will they stay better in 2024 and beyond? Anyone's guess at this point. Will they be SO much better over the next 10-12 years that they end up 25-4 vs. the Packers over the last 29 regular season games? Highly doubtful as there is no way that could happen in the NFL.

Oh wait...it has happened.

I keep bringing it up? What, like 3 times in a thread with 1,300 posts? I mention it, since some people want to act like the Bears haven't done anything since 1985. That is false. While they lost the Super Bowl, they still won the NFC. And that aint no joke.

Just ask the Lions fans in here, if winning the NFC Championship trophy would be a big deal. Dont be salty, since the Bears have won the NFC title just as many times as the Packers have this millennia!

But I love your excuses as to why the Lions have owned your team! Keep trying! The most annoying thing about Packer fans, is that they are so high on themselves. You won one, I repeat, ONE Super Bowl in the past 25+ years. And yet you think you are so much better than everyone else.

You can tease us Bears fans, and say we live in the past. And yet you are still patting yourself on the backs for the ONE Super Bowl Favre got you in the 90s. And the ONE that Karen Rodgers landed over a decade ago. Your dynasty ended in the 60s. Just face facts.

Grid · 10-03-2023, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

The Packers, Bears, and Lions at least have a championship to claim. The Vikings fans sometimes try to claim the 1969 NFL championship as a title since that was the last year before the merger even though it really is nothing but the modern day version of the NFC championship trophy.

This is true. But, they won the NFC title 3 times. Sure, it was all in the 70s. But they did that! What have the Lions done in the Super Bowl era? Lets keep the pecking order inline!

Grid · 10-03-2023, 12:47 PM

Since the Vikings fans have been super quite in here. Let me post this question for the group, since the Packer Backers want to debate NFC Championships.

The Vikings have appeared in four Super Bowls (1970, 1974, 1975, and 1977), losing each time. Would you rather have NEVER won the NFC, since losing all of your Super Bowls is a bit embarrassing. But is it still worth it, to have raised the Halas Trophy 4 times?

Viking6 · 10-03-2023, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Since the Vikings fans have been super quite in here. Let me post this question for the group, since the Packer Backers want to debate NFC Championships.

The Vikings have appeared in four Super Bowls (1970, 1974, 1975, and 1977), losing each time. Would you rather have NEVER won the NFC, since losing all of your Super Bowls is a bit embarrassing. But is it still worth it, to have raised the Halas Trophy 4 times?

Not really what you were asking as I was not alive in the 70s....

But if you were asking if I would have rather not made the playoffs than make the NFCCG in 1998/2000/2009/2017 only to get blown out twice and lose at the end twice.... I would definitely still take the losses.

Each season still has joyous moments from it unless you are the 2022-2023 Chicago Bears.

Grid · 10-03-2023, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Viking6

Not really what you were asking as I was not alive in the 70s....

But if you were asking if I would have rather not made the playoffs than make the NFCCG in 1998/2000/2009/2017 only to get blown out twice and lose at the end twice.... I would definitely still take the losses.

Each season still has joyous moments from it unless you are the 2022-2023 Chicago Bears.

Nah, making it to the NFC Championship game, and getting beaten, is completely different than actually winning the NFC Crown, even if that means losing the Super Bowl.

At least you won your conference, and got a trophy. 2nd place in the NFC Championship games, gets you nothing but sadness.

Just ask a Packer fan. No team has lost more NFC Championship games than they have. And no player has lost more times in said game, than Aaron Rodgers. He lost 5 out of 6. But lets see a Packer fan spin that. Hang Tight!

Also, since you couldnt reply without a bears jab. How joyous is this season? You won exactly 1 more game than the Bears. Good job so far!

hairysasquatch · 10-03-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Since the Vikings fans have been super quite in here. Let me post this question for the group, since the Packer Backers want to debate NFC Championships.

The Vikings have appeared in four Super Bowls (1970, 1974, 1975, and 1977), losing each time. Would you rather have NEVER won the NFC, since losing all of your Super Bowls is a bit embarrassing. But is it still worth it, to have raised the Halas Trophy 4 times?

Way better to never have won it than to have lost SB x4

hairysasquatch · 10-03-2023, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

The Packers, Bears, and Lions at least have a championship to claim. The Vikings fans sometimes try to claim the 1969 NFL championship as a title since that was the last year before the merger even though it really is nothing but the modern day version of the NFC championship trophy.

I appreciated this effort to take a gratuitous swipe at the Vikes who have been getting off way too easily in this thread

Viking6 · 10-03-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Also, since you couldnt reply without a bears jab. How joyous is this season? You won exactly 1 more game than the Bears. Good job so far!

Minnesota gets to play the Bears in 2 weeks. I am sure I will get some joy from that game even after we lose by 20 this week. Either by earning the W or by losing and helping prevent the Caleb Williams show in Chicago. Either would probably bring me some joy.

Grid · 10-03-2023, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Viking6

Minnesota gets to play the Bears in 2 weeks. I am sure I will get some joy from that game even after we lose by 20 this week. Either by earning the W or by losing and helping prevent the Caleb Williams show in Chicago. Either would probably bring me some joy.

Caleb Williams with our earned #1 pick. And Marvin Harrison Jr with the Panthers #2 pick, that we conned them out of.

New coaching staff, new QB/WR duo. And Super Bowl in 2025!

Grid · 10-03-2023, 01:48 PM

In Bears news, hearing Ryan Pace (Former Bears GM, now with the Falcons) is having secret talks with Ryan Poles (current Bears GM) about a trade for Fields. The Riddler experiment isnt going as well as hoped for.

Might sound crazy, but Pace was the one in love with Fields. And he was the GM that swung the trade, to move up and grab him.

erock28 · 10-03-2023, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

I keep bringing it up? What, like 3 times in a thread with 1,300 posts? I mention it, since some people want to act like the Bears haven't done anything since 1985. That is false. While they lost the Super Bowl, they still won the NFC. And that aint no joke.

Just ask the Lions fans in here, if winning the NFC Championship trophy would be a big deal. Dont be salty, since the Bears have won the NFC title just as many times as the Packers have this millennia!

But I love your excuses as to why the Lions have owned your team! Keep trying! The most annoying thing about Packer fans, is that they are so high on themselves. You won one, I repeat, ONE Super Bowl in the past 25+ years. And yet you think you are so much better than everyone else.

You can tease us Bears fans, and say we live in the past. And yet you are still patting yourself on the backs for the ONE Super Bowl Favre got you in the 90s. And the ONE that Karen Rodgers landed over a decade ago. Your dynasty ended in the 60s. Just face facts.

1) I might go back and count, but it is more than 3. Don't go editing your posts now

2) No one with an ounce of football knowledge would discount the mid-2000's Bears. That D and return game were formidable. That said, they never won a Bowl. I know a couple of Panthers fans - they don't celebrate their two NFC championships/Super Bowl losses at all.

3) I'm not even the least bit 'salty' about anything. If anything, you might be salty about the fact the Packers have gone 25-4 in the last 29 against your beloved team!

4) Where did I make ONE excuse about the Packers v Lions? When I said clearly the Lions had the better 53 man roster? Or when I said it again that the Lions were better? I referenced having an abundance of key injuries in between (which is true - Jenkins, Bakhtiari, Alexander, Campbell out, Jones/Watson limited), but acknowledged the Lions are still better. So what exactly did I say that looked like an excuse?

5) I hate that the Packers squandered 30 years of HOF QB play and only won two bowls. Clearly any of the other teams in the division would kill to have even one in that stretch, as no one else has any. So do I think the Packers have been better than the Bears, Lions, and Vikings since Favre became a Packer? Yes I do. And it's kind of hard to argue - 2 wins and 15 division titles in 30 years, 12 of 21 NFC North crowns. That's not being cocky or arrogant, it's reading a FB reference page. I don't look down upon any fans of other teams as human beings, but stats and records don't lie as to which team is better.

6) As mentioned, the Packers have certainly not maximized their chances in the last 30 years. It's a sad truth, and plenty of blame to be spread amongst coaches, the front office, and players. It's fair to say their dynasty ended in the 60's. But the Bears' ended in the 40's. Had a nice run in the 80's, but just the one title. The reality is, and facts are facts, since Ditka left and Favre came to GB, GB at least has been relevant most seasons. Chicago has just kind of...been an NFL team sometimes. 19 ten win seasons since '92 compared to 6. Only having two Bowls sucks, but being relevant beats being an afterthought.

erock28 · 10-03-2023, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Nah, making it to the NFC Championship game, and getting beaten, is completely different than actually winning the NFC Crown, even if that means losing the Super Bowl.

At least you won your conference, and got a trophy. 2nd place in the NFC Championship games, gets you nothing but sadness.

Just ask a Packer fan. No team has lost more NFC Championship games than they have. And no player has lost more times in said game, than Aaron Rodgers. He lost 5 out of 6. But lets see a Packer fan spin that. Hang Tight!

Also, since you couldnt reply without a bears jab. How joyous is this season? You won exactly 1 more game than the Bears. Good job so far!

Since you rang a Packer fan, hate to disappoint you - no spin on the bolded. He sucked out loud against Tampa and Seattle, took WAY too many drive killing sacks in the former and made plentiful mistakes and couldn't close it out in the latter. Against SF and Atlanta, the O sputtered out of the gate largely due to Rodgers taking early sacks. D sucked in both those games, by the time the O got going it was too late unless Rodgers was perfect. And Rodgers wasn't perfect.

erock28 · 10-03-2023, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Caleb Williams with our earned #1 pick. And Marvin Harrison Jr with the Panthers #2 pick, that we conned them out of.

New coaching staff, new QB/WR duo. And Super Bowl in 2025!

If anything, man I applaud your optimism!

Can they make some more trades and acquire another 6 first round picks to address the gaping holes on both lines?!

Grid · 10-03-2023, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Way better to never have won it than to have lost SB x4

I should have been more clear. Only those whose teams have:

A) Made it to the NFC Championship game
B) Won said NFC Championship game
C) Done both above, but lost in the Super Bowl

Being a Lions fans, and never doing any of the above, I am going to have to disqualify your vote.

Sorry..

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