Mookie Betts is kind of good - Page 72

LVDan · 01-30-2020, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by regularp

That's called negotiating. Boston went low; Mookie went high. The final contract will be in the middle.

Also, the Sox are one of the richest franchises in baseball. Nobody wants to hear them cry poverty after the money they gave Price, Sale and Eovaldi.

Agree- when a franchise like Boston "can't afford" to keep their best player, a homegrown talent and MVP caliber performer at 27 (all season) they've really screwed up something badly in the accounting department.
Id be pretty pissed If I were a fan.

pewe · 01-30-2020, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Agree- when a franchise like Boston "can't afford" to keep their best player, a homegrown talent and MVP caliber performer at 27 (all season) they've really screwed up something badly in the accounting department.

Id be pretty pissed If I were a fan.

As a fan I say “yes”

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BBases31 · 01-30-2020, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jrg1128

Also, him asking for pretty much the same contract as Mike Trout received is ludicrous.

Mike Trout took a $100+ million discount compared to what he would've received in free agency so it's a poor comparison. Also, over the last 4 seasons he's ahead of Mookie by about 4 fWAR and only about 2 bWAR

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Originally Posted by regularp

That's called negotiating. Boston went low; Mookie went high.

Mookie's initial ask in free agency will be higher if he's trying to actually do meet in the middle negotiating. While 1.5 years older when entering free agency, he is a FAR better player than either Machado or Harper. Those two also had only two teams seriously bidding for their services. Mookie will have triple the number of teams putting in serious offers which could easily spike the end contract over $400 million. He's the best free agent to hit the open market in over a decade.

I think it's very likely the Red Sox will wind up bidding for him in free agency. Their big issue was getting under the tax this season to reset the repeater penalty, not necessarily to stay under the tax going forward. If they can dump the Price contract as well, there's no reason for them not to go after Mookie if he's willing to sign in Boston after being traded

MRSPORTSCARD · 01-30-2020, 06:56 PM

I heard Alex Verdugo is kind of like a Johnny Damon free spirit and would be fun. Also is a great pure hitter and a canon for a arm. So all might not be lost if Betts get traded.

baseballguy350 · 02-02-2020, 08:41 AM

What time is kickoff tonight?
The trade will be announced 30 minutes before.

Comix Guy · 02-02-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by baseballguy350

What time is kickoff tonight?
The trade will be announced 30 minutes before.

Assumption or fact?

pewe · 02-02-2020, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by baseballguy350

What time is kickoff tonight?
The trade will be announced 30 minutes before.

Yep... same my brother-in-law and wife have been hearing / telling me

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phisouza33 · 02-02-2020, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stech36

Increase because Red Sox fans won’t dump him with an MVP and World Series under his belt. Dodgers fans will buy

Exactly

brothertona · 02-02-2020, 11:31 AM

I think every team will be in on Mookie, even teams with pretty solid outfields already. He's similar to Trout in you know what you are getting with him and all you are looking for is the talent upgrade. If the Yanks made a play in FA for Betts I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all. I think Boston will wish they gave him the deal he asks for when they see the deal he finally gets.

rngrdanny22 · 02-02-2020, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

I think every team will be in on Mookie, even teams with pretty solid outfields already. He's similar to Trout in you know what you are getting with him and all you are looking for is the talent upgrade. If the Yanks made a play in FA for Betts I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all. I think Boston will wish they gave him the deal he asks for when they see the deal he finally gets.

Yankees will definitely be interested after 2020. Do we realistically believe that Judge and/or Stanton won't miss huge chunks of the season due to injury?

MCyganik · 02-02-2020, 01:19 PM

Picked this bad boy up at a show this morning for $75. While I PC Red Sox, I’m definitely going to flip it as I’m not much of a graded RC collector. The consensus seems to be it may go up again soon if he does get traded to the Dodgers?

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Baseballdude · 02-02-2020, 03:49 PM

Gammons -

“Boston return apparently also nearly finalized, as outfielder Alex Verdugo, lefty pitcher Caleb Ferguson, top infield prospect Jeter Downs, and one other low-level prospect will become Red Sox players in a Betts deal.”

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Comix Guy · 02-02-2020, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MCyganik

Picked this bad boy up at a show this morning for $75. While I PC Red Sox, I’m definitely going to flip it as I’m not much of a graded RC collector. The consensus seems to be it may go up again soon if he does get traded to the Dodgers?

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News brings eyes to the market.

SirTommyWinAlot · 02-02-2020, 04:32 PM

well as an owner of a mookie betts '14 heritage red auto rookie, i'm relieved he's going to the dodgers and not the padres.

SirTommyWinAlot · 02-02-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

Agree- when a franchise like Boston "can't afford" to keep their best player, a homegrown talent and MVP caliber performer at 27 (all season) they've really screwed up something badly in the accounting department.
Id be pretty pissed If I were a fan.

yeah it stinks but we have 4 world series titles since 2004. It stinks to see Mookie go but I don't really thing he wanted to be in Boston. He was going to FA unless we gave him a Trout contract and obviously that wasn't going to happen.

MRSPORTSCARD · 02-02-2020, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseballdude

Gammons -

“Boston return apparently also nearly finalized, as outfielder Alex Verdugo, lefty pitcher Caleb Ferguson, top infield prospect Jeter Downs, and one other low-level prospect will become Red Sox players in a Betts deal.”

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Heard Jeter Downs is a stud. Has Gleyber Torres ceiling.

MRSPORTSCARD · 02-02-2020, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

yeah it stinks but we have 4 world series titles since 2004. It stinks to see Mookie go but I don't really thing he wanted to be in Boston. He was going to FA unless we gave him a Trout contract and obviously that wasn't going to happen.

PLUS none of those 10 year contracts are ever worth it. They were going to be a wild card team at best this year with Mookie. I am just punting the 2020 Red Sox season. Load up for 2021.

SirTommyWinAlot · 02-02-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MRSPORTSCARD

PLUS none of those 10 year contracts are ever worth it. They were going to be a wild card team at best this year with Mookie. I am just punting the 2020 Red Sox season. Load up for 2021.

Couldn't agree more.

boston12 · 02-02-2020, 06:14 PM

Wish Mookie well. Will make my decision to sell on him easier. Cheers to an MVP caliber 2020 season $$$.

speedyjg13 · 02-02-2020, 06:30 PM

Is the return for Mookie worth it or does Boston just want to get rid of the guy?

MRSPORTSCARD · 02-02-2020, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Is the return for Mookie worth it or does Boston just want to get rid of the guy?

If it`s Alex Verdugo and Jeter Downs the Red Sox did good for a one year rental. Verdugo goes to rightfield and Jeter Downs would be their starting 2b next year.
I am just hoping David Price is in on the deal.

pete2345 · 02-02-2020, 07:46 PM

I'm not in any way a Sox fan complete opposite . But it's ridiculous if he leaves the Sox. I wish these players were more loyal to the organization that made them into the players they have become.

Stifle · 02-02-2020, 08:18 PM

Mookie is a top 5 AL candidate but he has been invisible in the Post Season. If I had to choose between having a Mookie Betts or a David Ortiz, I would choose Ortiz every time. It's not that Betts isn't a great player, I just believe Ortiz has that "IT" factor in the Post Season.

MRSPORTSCARD · 02-02-2020, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

Mookie is a top 5 AL candidate but he has been invisible in the Post Season. If I had to choose between having a Mookie Betts or a David Ortiz, I would choose Ortiz every time. It's not that Betts isn't a great player, I just believe Ortiz has that "IT" factor in the Post Season.

100 percent agree with you.

MRSPORTSCARD · 02-02-2020, 08:26 PM

Padres might still be in this to raise the Dodgers price higher?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/r...3pM/story.html

01-30-2020, 06:56 PM	#1779
MRSPORTSCARD Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 1,796	I heard Alex Verdugo is kind of like a Johnny Damon free spirit and would be fun. Also is a great pure hitter and a canon for a arm. So all might not be lost if Betts get traded.

02-02-2020, 08:41 AM	#1780
baseballguy350 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: FL Posts: 2,694	What time is kickoff tonight? The trade will be announced 30 minutes before.

02-02-2020, 11:31 AM	#1784
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,954 brothertona1	I think every team will be in on Mookie, even teams with pretty solid outfields already. He's similar to Trout in you know what you are getting with him and all you are looking for is the talent upgrade. If the Yanks made a play in FA for Betts I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all. I think Boston will wish they gave him the deal he asks for when they see the deal he finally gets.

02-02-2020, 01:19 PM	#1786
MCyganik Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Titletown USA Posts: 991 MCyganik	Picked this bad boy up at a show this morning for $75. While I PC Red Sox, I’m definitely going to flip it as I’m not much of a graded RC collector. The consensus seems to be it may go up again soon if he does get traded to the Dodgers? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-02-2020, 03:49 PM	#1787
Baseballdude Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 719	Gammons - “Boston return apparently also nearly finalized, as outfielder Alex Verdugo, lefty pitcher Caleb Ferguson, top infield prospect Jeter Downs, and one other low-level prospect will become Red Sox players in a Betts deal.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-02-2020, 04:32 PM	#1789
SirTommyWinAlot Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Gillette Stadium/Foxboro Posts: 6,545	well as an owner of a mookie betts '14 heritage red auto rookie, i'm relieved he's going to the dodgers and not the padres.

02-02-2020, 06:14 PM	#1794
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,282	Wish Mookie well. Will make my decision to sell on him easier. Cheers to an MVP caliber 2020 season $$$.

02-02-2020, 06:30 PM	#1795
speedyjg13 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 17,208	Is the return for Mookie worth it or does Boston just want to get rid of the guy?

02-02-2020, 07:46 PM	#1797
pete2345 Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Birthplace of Michael Jordan home of biggie smalls! Posts: 4,125	I'm not in any way a Sox fan complete opposite . But it's ridiculous if he leaves the Sox. I wish these players were more loyal to the organization that made them into the players they have become.

02-02-2020, 08:18 PM	#1798
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,362 Stifle	Mookie is a top 5 AL candidate but he has been invisible in the Post Season. If I had to choose between having a Mookie Betts or a David Ortiz, I would choose Ortiz every time. It's not that Betts isn't a great player, I just believe Ortiz has that "IT" factor in the Post Season.

02-02-2020, 08:26 PM	#1800
MRSPORTSCARD Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 1,796	Padres might still be in this to raise the Dodgers price higher? https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/r...3pM/story.html