2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

BTW I didn't see or hear it but did Trump really tell people they have to get out and vote on November 28th?

Donald Trump tells rally crowd to vote on November 28 - Business Insider

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

People still clinging to these emails like anything is going to change if every single one of them is released.



and posting a link from /r/The_Donald lol literally a cess pool

Here, the source.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onation-street

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Here, the source.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onation-street

At least I feel safe clicking that link lol

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by trixstar

People still clinging to these emails like anything is going to change if every single one of them is released.



and posting a link from /r/The_Donald lol literally a cess pool

The only way you can have a view about the emails is after you read them. Until you do, it doesn't help anyone to dismiss them as nothing.

[trixstar]

So apparently there are 12 women coming forward and the two worst accusations haven't been released yet.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Donald Trump tells rally crowd to vote on November 28 - Business Insider

That's just more ammo to say this entire election is rigged.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by tke1600

The only way you can have a view about the emails is to read them. Until you do, it doesn't help anyone to dismiss them as nothing.

I'm not really dismissing the emails as nothing per say. I'm saying whatever is in them in my opinion isn't going to cause anything to happen to her. I could be completely wrong but it's just my opinion. The people that think she's crooked it will just reinforce their opinion and the people that think otherwise aren't going to change their minds at this point. I absolutely think nothing is going to happen regarding the emails legally or punishment wise in any way whatsoever.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by tke1600

The only way you can have a view about the emails is after you read them. Until you do, it doesn't help anyone to dismiss them as nothing.

If these hackers are able to break in and steal the emails does it go to reason they have the ability to alter them, too, or does that go against the written hacker code of conduct?

[GeechQuest]

I don't understand why some people are putting all their eggs in the Wikileaks basket. Do you know how many times Wikileaks has "promised" to leak a "bomb" and not delivered? More than I can count. That's not to say that they haven't published items that have changed political landscapes, but they've under-delivered more than they've delivered.

The most damning items Wikileaks has published have been videos/recordings of corruption. If they have those, it may do some damage to Hillary. Walls of text (real or not) just won't do it. The American people don't have the attention span to read it and/or comprehend (myself include); a 30 second recording or 3 minute YouTube video could do it.

The best email I've read is Tom Delonge and his never ending UFO hunt. The fact that a member of Blink 182 has a direct line of communication to John Podesta is fascinating. The fact that his communication has to do with Extra-Terrestrial Disclosure is mind blowing. ONLY IN 2016!!! ONLY IN AMERICA!!!!

What a time to be alive...

[trixstar]

Don't forget the guy a few degrees removed from Clinton dissing Catholics.

[trixstar]

NJ judge issues Probable Cause criminal summons vs. Gov Christie for official misconduct in office.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Don't forget the guy a few degrees removed from Clinton dissing Catholics.

and Evangelicals. He is a top spokesperson for the campaign.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Don't forget the guy a few degrees removed from Clinton dissing Catholics.

But it's not about that. You're sarcastic because you think it doesn't matter ... and you're right in the sense of WikiLeaks finding the Hillary "gotcha" moment, but that's not what Wiki Leaks is about here and it's not what they're proving to be true.

This is about the corruption in politics, and how the (left) political engine has been shown to operate. How they manipulate the US population into getting a vote, pretending to be hardworking, honest group that's for the American People. How they use the MSM to push the narrative they've created, without fact, logic or reason.

Not about Clinton. About political structure. Providing debate questions ahead of time by CNN, getting a $1M birthday gift from the country of Qatar, having the plan of creating an "unaware and compliant citizenry" ... this is what is happening behind the scenes, being exposed now. Dismiss and deflect if you so desire, but there's more than enough evidence out there now to show the country really does need a change.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But it's not about that. You're sarcastic because you think it doesn't matter ... and you're right in the sense of WikiLeaks finding the Hillary "gotcha" moment, but that's not what Wiki Leaks is about here and it's not what they're proving to be true.

This is about the corruption in politics, and how the (left) political engine has been shown to operate. How they manipulate the US population into getting a vote, pretending to be hardworking, honest group that's for the American People. How they use the MSM to push the narrative they've created, without fact, logic or reason.

Not about Clinton. About political structure. Providing debate questions ahead of time by CNN, getting a $1M birthday gift from the country of Qatar, having the plan of creating an "unaware and compliant citizenry" ... this is what is happening behind the scenes, being exposed now. Dismiss and deflect if you so desire, but there's more than enough evidence out there now to show the country really does need a change.

Well said.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But it's not about that. You're sarcastic because you think it doesn't matter ... and you're right in the sense of WikiLeaks finding the Hillary "gotcha" moment, but that's not what Wiki Leaks is about here and it's not what they're proving to be true.

This is about the corruption in politics, and how the (left) political engine has been shown to operate. How they manipulate the US population into getting a vote, pretending to be hardworking, honest group that's for the American People. How they use the MSM to push the narrative they've created, without fact, logic or reason.

Not about Clinton. About political structure. Providing debate questions ahead of time by CNN, getting a $1M birthday gift from the country of Qatar, having the plan of creating an "unaware and compliant citizenry" ... this is what is happening behind the scenes, being exposed now. Dismiss and deflect if you so desire, but there's more than enough evidence out there now to show the country really does need a change.

I will agree 100% that politics is corrupt. I can't begin to describe how much I despise lobbyist and how they have ruined government and corrupted almost everything in our daily lives. Unfortunately I don't think Trump is anything remotely close to being the answer to stop any of that. My biggest fear is that Americans are just too far gone in changing anything or maybe just too "comfortable" for lack of a better word in their lives. People seem to be happy as long as they have their cell phones and their Netflix. Short of a revolution and burning the whole thing down I'm not sure what will change it. Of course things like this are impossible to predict and seem to come from nowhere. Again I'll say a person like Trump to me at least isn't anywhere close to the answer.

Just to add since I'm editing this, you would have thought the breaking point was Snowden releasing what the NSA is actually up to. I do think sometime in the far future he'll be looked back on and actually appreciated properly for what he did. Now it comes out that Yahoo helped the NSA read basically every email ever sent before the person receiving it actually did. I mean if that doesn't cause people to just up and revolt I'm not sure what will.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I will agree 100% that politics is corrupt. I can't begin to describe how much I despise lobbyist and how they have ruined government and corrupted almost everything in our daily lives. Unfortunately I don't think Trump is anything remotely close to being the answer to stop any of that. My biggest fear is that Americans are just too far gone in changing anything or maybe just too "comfortable" for lack of a better word in their lives. People seem to be happy as long as they have their cell phones and their Netflix. Short of a revolution and burning the whole thing down I'm not sure what will change it. Of course things like this are impossible to predict and seem to come from nowhere. Again I'll say a person like Trump to me at least isn't anywhere close to the answer.

Well then that's a reason for you not to vote Trump. I respect it ... you don't think he's the guy to actually make change. I have my doubts as well, but I do know that a vote for Clinton is definitely, 100% not the vote of change, so even if there's a small chance ... Trump is my vote.

But for the people in here claiming Trump did this or Clinton that, who cares? A vote for Clinton is not a vote for Hillary Clinton the personality or character. It's a vote that represents more government (higher tax revenues mean more government), continuation of the previous President and little to no change. A vote for Trump is a vote for less government, and possible change. And I think I find it's fascinating that most career politicians, right, left, and center would denounce Trump because they truly fear he would change the political culture in this country, and politicians on all sides certainly don't want that to happen.

Blow it all up I say. And you must admit, Trump certainly is capable of blowing something up!

[jewcer2k5]

Let's try to get this to a semi-intelligent conversation instead of tin foil hats and conspiracies.

Assume that Trump wins the election. How does anything get accomplished considering he has separated himself from the GOP basically? If nothing gets done, is that the change that everyone wants? Can someone voting for Trump please let me know what they think?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by trixstar

NJ judge issues Probable Cause criminal summons vs. Gov Christie for official misconduct in office.

I just read that earlier. I pumped my fist. Christie has wrecked NJ and if Trump wins, he will have some mind of role in administration until he gets thrown in jail.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Let's try to get this to a semi-intelligent conversation instead of tin foil hats and conspiracies.

Assume that Trump wins the election. How does anything get accomplished considering he has separated himself from the GOP basically? If nothing gets done, is that the change that everyone wants? Can someone voting for Trump please let me know what they think?

J, I can't speak to that because I honestly don't know. I hear you, the guy is so un-liked by both political parties ... how could he possibly get anything done? A quick relation though, Barack Obama is an extremely likable, thoughtful, well spoken, smart President (good character, ethics, etc it could be argued), and what has he been able to get done over 8 years?

Back to your initial question, I know this. At the start of this election season, I laughed when Trump came down an elevator and announced his candidacy for President of the US. I thought, like everyone "no chance, this will be AWESOME to watch". As it turns out, everyone was half right. The craziest of the crazies thought Trump would not stand a chance, and not be able to do what he's done ... garner the support of tens of millions of Americans. And here he is.

Against all odds, against the media against the World really because even his own party refuses to help him ... he's still in this race and if you believe the new Rasumussen poll out today, winning the race. Dare I say I have to respect him for being able to do this, when at every turn, it's another group of people saying he can't.

So I'll take my chances that if in fact he is President of the United States, he'll actually be able to make a difference. If he doesn't, then so what ... another President will come in four years later and the country won't lose a beat (from it's current path).

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

J, I can't speak to that because I honestly don't know. I hear you, the guy is so un-liked by both political parties ... how could he possibly get anything done? A quick relation though, Barack Obama is an extremely likable, thoughtful, well spoken, smart President (good character, ethics, etc it could be argued), and what has he been able to get done over 8 years?

Back to your initial question, I know this. At the start of this election season, I laughed when Trump came down an elevator and announced his candidacy for President of the US. I thought, like everyone "no chance, this will be AWESOME to watch". As it turns out, everyone was half right. The craziest of the crazies thought Trump would not stand a chance, and not be able to do what he's done ... garner the support of tens of millions of Americans. And here he is.

Against all odds, against the media against the World really because even his own party refuses to help him ... he's still in this race and if you believe the new Rasumussen poll out today, winning the race. Dare I say I have to respect him for being able to do this, when at every turn, it's another group of people saying he can't.

So I'll take my chances that if in fact he is President of the United States, he'll actually be able to make a difference. If he doesn't, then so what ... another President will come in four years later and the country won't lose a beat (from it's current path).

Totally agree with Obama assessment. Nothing has really gotten done with Obama because he couldn't get the support he needed from the other side of the aisle. Yes, he had 2 years where he had a democratic congress but in the grand scheme that just isn't a lot. Especially when you are burdened with the worst recession in nearly 100 years.

Your last paragraph is basically my point. He is running on a platform of changing the government. With no support from Congress he really can't do anything unless he does something drastic. That is what scares the crap out of me.

[Nyfancam01]

I'm already proud of HILLARY CLINTON! Our next great leader of this country. She's going to do a fantastic job!!!

CLINTON 2016

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Totally agree with Obama assessment. Nothing has really gotten done with Obama because he couldn't get the support he needed from the other side of the aisle. Yes, he had 2 years where he had a democratic congress but in the grand scheme that just isn't a lot. Especially when you are burdened with the worst recession in nearly 100 years.

Your last paragraph is basically my point. He is running on a platform of changing the government. With no support from Congress he really can't do anything unless he does something drastic. That is what scares the crap out of me.

No current support. I think that extra word matters greatly, because when he was in the primary, he received no support from current politicians, and slowly as the "threat" of Trump became real, they decided to give endorsements little by little. Even Ted Cruz came around eventually. So you're assessment could be very correct, for the 1st two years. But I feel a President Trump would create a lot of interesting elections in 2018, which then could seriously change the make-up of Congress.

But your point is certainly valid, I simply choose to vote for the "not knowing" vs. voting for the "know what I'm getting". I feel like the country has been consistent in doing the latter for decades, and it's time to take a chance. Do I wish it were anyone other than Trump? Sort of ... but I know if it wasn't Donald Trump running for President, everything you've seen in the last year wouldn't have happened.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Let's try to get this to a semi-intelligent conversation instead of tin foil hats and conspiracies.

Assume that Trump wins the election. How does anything get accomplished considering he has separated himself from the GOP basically? If nothing gets done, is that the change that everyone wants? Can someone voting for Trump please let me know what they think?

If Trump wins, he will have to do what all candidates do when they win the election. Move to the center. Trump is a bit of different case. I don't see him as a traditional republican, he is pretty center on many issues already. All the talk of renegotiating trade deals, building a wall, shrinking the government ,etc.. They won't happen. All of those will be stonewalled by Congress (and rightfully so in some cases for a change). If he is stubborn and doesn't move from his positions, we will have four years of stalemate and an economy that could slide back due to poor consumer confidence.

Above all with Trump he is a salesman. He will bounce and flip to whatever side that will make himself look good and declare victory.

All of this is moot though, barring a catastrophic scandal. Clinton is going to win and probably pretty easily. Most of the polls I have seen as shown her to be winning in all the key battleground states and her lead his growing. Trump his losing badly in minority and women voters. All he has is middle/upper class white men. I don't think that is enough to carry an election as evidenced by Romney (whose numbers was actually better).

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No current support. I think that extra word matters greatly, because when he was in the primary, he received no support from current politicians, and slowly as the "threat" of Trump became real, they decided to give endorsements little by little. Even Ted Cruz came around eventually. So you're assessment could be very correct, for the 1st two years. But I feel a President Trump would create a lot of interesting elections in 2018, which then could seriously change the make-up of Congress.

But your point is certainly valid, I simply choose to vote for the "not knowing" vs. voting for the "know what I'm getting". I feel like the country has been consistent in doing the latter for decades, and it's time to take a chance. Do I wish it were anyone other than Trump? Sort of ... but I know if it wasn't Donald Trump running for President, everything you've seen in the last year wouldn't have happened.

I totally respect that decision for you. I'm just in the other camp where I'd rather vote for knowing what is coming and then hopefully a better candidate comes in 4 years if Hillary isn't getting anything done. I agree there needs to be change I just don't think Donald is the one to get it done.

As for the 2018 cycle, regardless of who wins I think it will be interesting. Donald (and Bernie) have definitely changed the political atmosphere going forward.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

J, I can't speak to that because I honestly don't know. I hear you, the guy is so un-liked by both political parties ... how could he possibly get anything done? A quick relation though, Barack Obama is an extremely likable, thoughtful, well spoken, smart President (good character, ethics, etc it could be argued), and what has he been able to get done over 8 years?

Back to your initial question, I know this. At the start of this election season, I laughed when Trump came down an elevator and announced his candidacy for President of the US. I thought, like everyone "no chance, this will be AWESOME to watch". As it turns out, everyone was half right. The craziest of the crazies thought Trump would not stand a chance, and not be able to do what he's done ... garner the support of tens of millions of Americans. And here he is.

Against all odds, against the media against the World really because even his own party refuses to help him ... he's still in this race and if you believe the new Rasumussen poll out today, winning the race. Dare I say I have to respect him for being able to do this, when at every turn, it's another group of people saying he can't.

So I'll take my chances that if in fact he is President of the United States, he'll actually be able to make a difference. If he doesn't, then so what ... another President will come in four years later and the country won't lose a beat (from it's current path).

Chapmans, we disagree in regards to this election but I guarantee you that if we sat down we'd both agree on infinitely more than we disagree on. Even though I would never cast a vote for Trump I respect you for doing so, and respect that you haven't gone down in the mud slinging at all this thread.

Whoever wins is only guaranteed 4 years.

It's your opinion Trump would do less "damage" than Hillary in those 4 years.
It's my opinion Hillary would do less "damage" than Trump in those 4 years.

Nobody really knows what someone like Trump would do, and that scares people (myself included). We all know what were getting with Hillary, and to many that's better than the unknown. I'm not afraid of change and welcome it in the political landscape, I think many who would vote for Hillary would welcome the change as well. People like me just don't like the change Donald Trump represents.

If we're truly going to change the system, we shouldn't do it by putting one of worst forward. There are literally Millions of respectable people who would better represent that change, you being one of them. I can get on board with change, I just can't with Donald Trump. I admire the Republicans for wanting change, even if their voting record (and that of democrats) in off-year elections states otherwise.

Change has got to start somewhere, let's start with Congress, then work the Senate, and then work our way to the Presidency. To start from the top and work our way down wouldn't represent actual change. To think that the change with should start with Donald Trump is downright scary, to me and plenty others.