Paul Skenes’ Debut Patch Auto has been pulled

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

There's a lot of reasons why somebody would pull this anonymously. Athletes' homes have been burglarized all over the country. Maybe they have a relative that sucks energy...who knows.

I'm just not buying that Topps did not know it was pulled and still marketed the card as being out there. That's what pisses me off if Topps knew. If Topps knew and still marketed it, that's fraud...

I'm not asking for personal information about the person who pulled the card. I'm asking for the source of the box. Was it bought from a local hobby shop? Which one? Just tell us where the box was acquired from. I'm sure the dealer would appreciate the publicity.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

There's a lot of reasons why somebody would pull this anonymously. Athletes' homes have been burglarized all over the country. Maybe they have a relative that sucks energy...who knows.

I'm just not buying that Topps did not know it was pulled and still marketed the card as being out there. That's what pisses me off if Topps knew. If Topps knew and still marketed it, that's fraud...

As far as I can tell, Topps was not actively marketing that the card was still out there. I don't recall seeing any type of posts from Topps since Christmas saying anything like "Hey, the Paul Skenes card is still out there."

The biggest piece of information missing right now is when did Topps know.

There's a possibility that the family waited a few weeks to get things in order before they submitted the code. It's possible that all of this could have taken place over the span of a couple days. It's a huge card, it's jumping the line everywhere.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Clearly, the Skenes card was used by Topps in marketing for the product. But does that legally require Topps to make it available to the public in randomly-distributed packs?

Yes, it does.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

With that being said: when did Topps and Fanatics know about the card being pulled? Did they advertise the card as still being out there all the while knowing that it had already been pulled? If so, that'd seem to me to be either a) highly unethical, b) consumer fraud knowing full well that the card was keeping prices high or c) a combination of both.

Welcome to the unregulated monopoly of sports cards! Enjoy your bankruptcy. Or riches. But probably bankruptcy.

[boxbuster7]

[QUOTE=JWBlue;19790428]How has this post gone 27 minutes without being acknowledged?

1) Who is this?

it is filth bomb breaks - a few weeks ago he posted he pulled the 09/10 curry topps chrome superfractor and that was the photo so it is just a joke to lighten the mood

[bub838]

Has the LCS that sold it been named yet?

[crownand]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

This card was hyped-up like no other Topps card previously. You had an MLB team offering a very large bounty, for goodness sake.

It's not unreasonable to expect Fanatics to provide the public with specific details about how a monster card like this was pulled. The continued secrecy of where the box came from, with other personal details about who redeemed the card being revealed, has many paying customers suspicious and upset.

Great take!!

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by whitmm

As far as I can tell, Topps was not actively marketing that the card was still out there. I don't recall seeing any type of posts from Topps since Christmas saying anything like "Hey, the Paul Skenes card is still out there."

The biggest piece of information missing right now is when did Topps know.

There's a possibility that the family waited a few weeks to get things in order before they submitted the code. It's possible that all of this could have taken place over the span of a couple days. It's a huge card, it's jumping the line everywhere.

Yeah, that’s my point. They conveniently left out the part of the journal where he mentioned anything about deciding to get the redemption fulfilled. Given the language used in the supposed journal, I’m guessing, if it’s left, he would’ve put something in there. And yeah, if I’d have gotten this, I would’ve waited to tell anybody. Get finances in order…but I probably would’ve told Topps it was pulled pretty quick to find out options and would they offer deals on grading, etc.

It’d be interesting to see the full timeline of Topps’ marketing and when they knew…bc if they knew and still marketed it, I’d have a huge problem with it. If they just said it’s a great card…I mean, we’re just all dumb for falling for it (for what it’s worth, I didn’t buy a hobby box of this. Prices were too high, checklist too large to get anything of note).

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Yeah, that’s my point. They conveniently left out the part of the journal where he mentioned anything about deciding to get the redemption fulfilled. Given the language used in the supposed journal, I’m guessing, if it’s left, he would’ve put something in there. And yeah, if I’d have gotten this, I would’ve waited to tell anybody. Get finances in order…but I probably would’ve told Topps it was pulled pretty quick to find out options and would they offer deals on grading, etc.

It’d be interesting to see the full timeline of Topps’ marketing and when they knew…bc if they knew and still marketed it, I’d have a huge problem with it. If they just said it’s a great card…I mean, we’re just all dumb for falling for it (for what it’s worth, I didn’t buy a hobby box of this. Prices were too high, checklist too large to get anything of note).

I guess I should clarify this again. It doesn't appear that Topps has been marketing the card recently. In my mind, marketing the card would be making comments about it, saying that it still hasn't been claimed, etc. I don't consider not saying anything to be marketing the card.

I will point this out as to why I don't think they contacted Topps right away. Having Topps submit the card gets all of the fees waived (at least, it was that way last year). You're talking about thousands in fees being waived. And I don't think anyone high up with the company is getting involved until the code was entered or had verifiable proof.

[trendy26]

Hopefully this isn’t like the McDonald’s Monopoly conspiracy where nobody ever really had a shot at getting this card.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Hopefully this isn’t like the McDonald’s Monopoly conspiracy where nobody ever really had a shot at getting this card.

The only way it will be put to rest is if the family steps forward, and that ain’t gonna happen.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Hopefully this isn’t like the McDonald’s Monopoly conspiracy where nobody ever really had a shot at getting this card.

That was a surprisingly good documentary. The card market is at a point right now where they’re slipping in cards/redemptions that are worth $100k+ right out of the pack into hobby boxes. Only a few, but you would think that’s enough to tempt scammers at some point. No idea if that’s the case here, but it wouldn’t shock me if some kind of scandals similar to the Monopoly one happens in the future.

[BigL7370]

Probably been answered, but wouldn't Topps benefit more if they had this big event photo op with the kid and/or his parents pulling it where they presumably bought box from?

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Hopefully this isn’t like the McDonald’s Monopoly conspiracy where nobody ever really had a shot at getting this card.

I was thinking about the McDonald's Monopoly scandal as well here.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

That was a surprisingly good documentary. The card market is at a point right now where they’re slipping in cards/redemptions that are worth $100k+ right out of the pack into hobby boxes. Only a few, but you would think that’s enough to tempt scammers at some point. No idea if that’s the case here, but it wouldn’t shock me if some kind of scandals similar to the Monopoly one happens in the future.

Already has happened in 2023 Bowman Draft, dfwcardshark backdooring dozens of Superfractors

[Cracktoast]

honest question at 11 yrs old can the kid legally agree to a contract with the auction house to sell the card ? If not you would assume the father would do it for him but to do that wouldn't the kid have to relinquish ownership of the card to his father thus no longer making him legally in control of what happens to the money the card brings ? For me if I'm that kid there surely has to be any number of high profile influencers who would hand deliver a suitcase full of cash to his doorstep. Screw his parents trying to live vicariously through his good fortune.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Hopefully this isn’t like the McDonald’s Monopoly conspiracy where nobody ever really had a shot at getting this card.

A case which resulted in 50+ arrests and happened without the knowledge of those in charge of McDonalds. Completely different than what is being suggested/alleged here.

But would also support my theory that anything criminal could put the Topps license in jeopardy. AGAIN, why I'm assuming Topps/Fanatics (the higher ups) did not intentionally defraud anyone in this case.

[Rooftop]

You think that Topps/Fanatics/Pirates,Golden give 2 sh!ts about the card or the fans?

It’s all about the money. Has and always will be.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I'm not asking for personal information about the person who pulled the card. I'm asking for the source of the box. Was it bought from a local hobby shop? Which one? Just tell us where the box was acquired from. I'm sure the dealer would appreciate the publicity.

Fanatics should not know that information.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Fanatics should not know that information.

They should have asked the family when they were retrieving the journal entries.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I'm not asking for personal information about the person who pulled the card. I'm asking for the source of the box. Was it bought from a local hobby shop? Which one? Just tell us where the box was acquired from. I'm sure the dealer would appreciate the publicity.

The child and family have been put in the Witness Protection Program.

[DaryanLenz]

I must be the only one who couldn’t care less about the card, the scandal or the player. How many pitchers ever live up to the initial hype…none. One injury and the card is worth 10K at best, two injuries and a Tommy John and it’s worth $2k. More power to you if you find him investable, and I really hope I’m wrong and he reignites the market for pitchers, but when I can go buy a high grade Nolan Ryan not to mention a pristine Steve Carlton or another HOF pitcher for less than this silly card,then I know where my money goes. I’m young so save the old collector comments for another day,

[DaryanLenz]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

honest question at 11 yrs old can the kid legally agree to a contract with the auction house to sell the card ? If not you would assume the father would do it for him but to do that wouldn't the kid have to relinquish ownership of the card to his father thus no longer making him legally in control of what happens to the money the card brings ? For me if I'm that kid there surely has to be any number of high profile influencers who would hand deliver a suitcase full of cash to his doorstep. Screw his parents trying to live vicariously through his good fortune.

No, one must be 18 years old to enter into a legally binding contract of any kind in the US across all 50 states. A parent/guardian could enter into the contract with proceeds directed into a trust on behalf of the kid though with a parent as trustee there’s not a lot other than fiduciary duty stopping them from raiding the account prior to the age of majority or 25, which is more typical in trust legalese.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Fanatics should not know that information.

If you believe the people of BO, Fanatics knew that information before the card was never pulled.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

They should have asked the family when they were retrieving the journal entries.

Why would they need to ask? They already know, according to the BOCT