2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 1957

wood minis · 10-10-2020, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Made up? Maybe not. Crap? Probably.

I wouldn't be surprised if the paperwork is already drawn up with a fill-in-the-blank for the charges. Whatever crap they can find will be enough for them to attempt.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they actually found something worthy, lol. I mean, its Trump.

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Impeaching a President for withholding Congressionally approved funding to an ally until their leader publicly announces an investigation implicating a political rival isn't crap. More like the tip of the iceberg.

Jgil316 · 10-10-2020, 03:18 PM

With Trump's twitter proclamation to release all documents pertaining to Russia, unredacted - there is now a request to get the full Mueller report - unredacted.

Careful what you wish for Donnie

Chris Lyle · 10-10-2020, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Stop being mean to him.

He wasn't.

Even if he was im not that soft

discostu · 10-10-2020, 03:35 PM

Like him or hate him, Trump is a fighter and walls appear to be closing in on a lot of fronts.

It cannot be easy.

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Impeaching a President for withholding Congressionally approved funding to an ally until their leader publicly announces an investigation implicating a political rival isn't crap. More like the tip of the iceberg.

Sure. But that's not what happened.

The announcement was never made. The funds were released. And the leader of that ally nation stated he didn't feel pressured.

That's not even the real issue here though. The bigger problem was that Nancy did what many attorneys would be fired for and could face disbarment over. She brought a case that she knew had exactly zero chance of success. The jurors (senate) told her up front and she still brought the case. She quite clearly was not acting in good faith with that sham of an impeachment.

It probably is the tip of the iceberg. But that's not relevant here. With exactly zero possibility of conviction in the senate, any impeachment (with substance or without) will be complete crap.

Trump is a slime bucket of epic proportions. In terms of impeachment, that is 100% irrelevant. His guilt or innocence is also irrelevant unless there is an actual possibility of conviction.

Crap.

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Astros19 · 10-10-2020, 03:52 PM

I'm curious to everyone's level of fear concerning Covid.
On a scale from 1 to 10 I'd place mine about a 2 or 3.
It'd be a 1 if I was only thinking of myself, but considering family members it goes up a notch or two.
Frankly, it just doesn't scare me at all.

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jdandns · 10-10-2020, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Sure. But that's not what happened.

The announcement was never made. The funds were released. And the leader of that ally nation stated he didn't feel pressured.

That's not even the real issue here though. The bigger problem was that Nancy did what many attorneys would be fired for and could face disbarment over. She brought a case that she knew had exactly zero chance of success. The jurors (senate) told her up front and she still brought the case. She quite clearly was not acting in good faith with that sham of an impeachment.

It probably is the tip of the iceberg. But that's not relevant here. With exactly zero possibility of conviction in the senate, any impeachment (with substance or without) will be complete crap.

Trump is a slime bucket of epic proportions. In terms of impeachment, that is 100% irrelevant. His guilt or innocence is also irrelevant unless there is an actual possibility of conviction.

Crap.

Most extortion victims won't say anything about the perpetrator while they're still being actively extorted.

As for Pelosi acting in bad faith, how do you reconcile that with a Senate majority that indicates what their vote would be before they've heard the facts of the case?

The impeachment was 100% necessary.
The looming presence of a rigged jury must never stop a just indictment.
Trump's crimes here are forever on the record, and history will surely judge him (and those who enabled his malfeasance) most harshly.

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Most extortion victims won't say anything about the perpetrator while they're still being actively extorted.

As for Pelosi acting in bad faith, how do you reconcile that with a Senate majority that indicates what their vote would be before they've heard the facts of the case?

The impeachment was 100% necessary.
The looming presence of a rigged jury must never stop a just indictment.
Trump's crimes here are forever on the record, and history will surely judge him (and those who enabled his malfeasance) most harshly.

What crimes?

jdandns · 10-10-2020, 04:05 PM

All that stuff he did, Mr. Babybodyoldmanhead.

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

He knew his position during the primaries. Hmmm maybe he forgot or maybe the farther left is getting to him to support it like they do. Voters have a right to know

Yeah, you tell him, Chris! The voters need all the info!
And release your taxes while you're at it, Sleepy Joe!!!
And let's see the results of your most recent Covid test, hidin' Biden!!!
What are you afraid of, sir?!?

Waitaminute, what's that?
You don't say? Hmmm.
Never mind.

babyfaceposey · 10-10-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

All that stuff he did, Mr. Babybodyoldmanhead.

Yeah, you tell him, Chris! The voters need all the info!
And release your taxes while you're at it, Sleepy Joe!!!
And let's see the results of your most recent Covid test, hidin' Biden!!!
What are you afraid of, sir?!?

Waitaminute, what's that?
You don't say? Hmmm.
Never mind.

Please explain the crimes he commited.

DegaBama · 10-10-2020, 04:41 PM

No one should want a packed court. I don't care what side you are on, it's not feasible for a successful country.

discostu · 10-10-2020, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

No one should want a packed court. I don't care what side you are on, it's not feasible for a successful country.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Reid played a stupid game, McConnell gave him a stupid prize. McConnell is playing a stupid game, his replacement (again, only if the longshot happens where the GOP lose the Senate and Presidency) will give him a stupid prize.

We all lose.

But we elected losers.

We deserve whatever nonsense these petulant clowns give us.

wood minis · 10-10-2020, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DegaBama

No one should want a packed court. I don't care what side you are on, it's not feasible for a successful country.

I agree there shouldn't be an adjustment in the number of Supreme Court Justices.

There would be less acrimony if the Senate simply held off with this selection until after the election.

But that's not how it works given the politics. They'll ram this selection through even if everyone in the Senate comes down with COVID-19.

gopherfan · 10-10-2020, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

Wouldn't it be nice if his number one focus was advocating for the American people? I know, I know...dream world and all that.

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Maybe he believes that keeping Dems from turning this country into a Socialist nightmare by allowing them control of the house, senate, and likely the White House is the best thing for the American people.

oldgoldy97 · 10-10-2020, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gopherfan

Maybe he believes that keeping Dems from turning this country into a Socialist nightmare by allowing them control of the house, senate, and likely the White House is the best thing for the American people.

Dems have had chances to turn this into a nightmare. Is it?

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gopherfan

Maybe he believes that keeping Dems from turning this country into a Socialist nightmare by allowing them control of the house, senate, and likely the White House is the best thing for the American people.

Maybe he does. In fact, I'm pretty sure he does.

I get that the average person is kinda dumb, but how about we let the election decide itself and focus on the issues at hand. Was he elected to enact the will of his state or was he elected to get his friends reelected?

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JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Most extortion victims won't say anything about the perpetrator while they're still being actively extorted.

As for Pelosi acting in bad faith, how do you reconcile that with a Senate majority that indicates what their vote would be before they've heard the facts of the case?

The impeachment was 100% necessary.
The looming presence of a rigged jury must never stop a just indictment.
Trump's crimes here are forever on the record, and history will surely judge him (and those who enabled his malfeasance) most harshly.

There is no evidence that he was still being actively extorted. The funds had been released.

The senate had heard the facts of the case prior to the impeachment trial. We all had.

Impeachment was 100% a waste of time. The looming presence of an inhospitable jury must always stop any indictment.

Trump's crimes are non-existent. We are innocent until proven otherwise in this country. The accusations are forever on the record. But...so what? They already were.

Apparently we may be best served by agreeing to disagree. I'm in if you are.

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Pete Schweddy · 10-10-2020, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm curious to everyone's level of fear concerning Covid.
On a scale from 1 to 10 I'd place mine about a 2 or 3.
It'd be a 1 if I was only thinking of myself, but considering family members it goes up a notch or two.
Frankly, it just doesn't scare me at all.

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1. Maybe a 2 for some family.

Really sick of over six months to "flatten the curve".

wood minis · 10-10-2020, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

There is no evidence that he was still being actively extorted. The funds had been released.

The senate had heard the facts of the case prior to the impeachment trial. We all had.

Impeachment was 100% a waste of time. The looming presence of an inhospitable jury must always stop any indictment.

Trump's crimes are non-existent. We are innocent until proven otherwise in this country. The accusations are forever on the record. But...so what? They already were.

Apparently we may be best served by agreeing to disagree. I'm in if you are.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...raine-n1082256

jstephens24 · 10-10-2020, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

I agree, voters have a right to know. 100%

Honestly, I consider myself center right but I am disgusted by Trump and likely to vote dem for the first time in my life (in a presidential election). But packing the court is a really bad idea imo. I'd feel the same way no matter which side was considering it. Biden's refusal to answer this question could cost him my vote. It's pretty important to me as a voter.

I still will not vote for Trump though, no matter what.

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why don't you vote third party? if more people like you would then maybe we get a third option down the road

wood minis · 10-10-2020, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jstephens24

why don't you vote third party? if more people like you would then maybe we get a third option down the road

because if those disgusted with Trump vote third party we get Trump for four more years.

JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...raine-n1082256

I fail to see what point this is making.

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JustRachel · 10-10-2020, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm curious to everyone's level of fear concerning Covid.
On a scale from 1 to 10 I'd place mine about a 2 or 3.
It'd be a 1 if I was only thinking of myself, but considering family members it goes up a notch or two.
Frankly, it just doesn't scare me at all.

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For me it's about a 7.

My husband and I are both in higher risk categories and we live in Miami.

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mike1498 · 10-10-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jstephens24

why don't you vote third party? if more people like you would then maybe we get a third option down the road

Sorry but voting third party is like writing in a vote. It won’t ever mean anything. Especially in such a polarized society.

wood minis · 10-10-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRachel

I fail to see what point this is making.

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You are saying no big deal, the funds were released.

There's a reason they were released and it wasn't because Trump was going to release them anyway whether Zelensky complied with his request or not. They were released because the extortion was about to become more widely known.

This wasn't a he said, she said. There were a number of career officials who testified to the veracity of the details and the timeline.

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