2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

So she was lying when she said it wasn't about Trump? She's obviously doing this because of Trump or Biden and she said it wasn't about Trump. I think it was just more political theater myself.

My take is this - yes, political theater.
She knows anything she says infuriates him - and by questioning him, she is getting under his skin and more than likely he will say or do something foolish.

just my $0.02 worth

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

My take is this - yes, political theater.
She knows anything she says infuriates him - and by questioning him, she is getting under his skin and more than likely he will say or do something foolish.

just my $0.02 worth

Sounds right to me; and not a bad play by Nancy if that's the case.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by Astros19

There have been times in our past where subjects were used with and without their knowledge to test different medicines (see Tuskegee Airmen). Would you suddenly refuse to take said medicine because of the way it was tested in the past or would your self righteousness prevent you from doing so?


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No, I can agree with that. But I have an open mind...others, not so much..and refuse to adapt.

[techtre2003]

So does Pelosi accept Trump's new stimulus package offer? Kind of a tough spot for her I think: Accept it and let Trump "win" and have him gloating about it or refuse it and piss off a bunch of voters.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

So does Pelosi accept Trump's new stimulus package offer? Kind of a tough spot for her I think: Accept it and let Trump "win" and have him gloating about it or refuse it and piss off a bunch of voters.

Great question

I think she accepts it - IF and only IF there is money in there for states.
Trump canned the first stimulus and to focus on the SCOTUS confirmation. Regardless of what goes through and when - people are not going to forget that.

[packman80]

I see Drunk Nancy and the Dems are still in full TDS. Maybe we can get a commission to see if Nancy is ever sober enough to do her job.

[Jgil316]

PSA to all Blowout members:

There is NO cure to Covid

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Great question

I think she accepts it - IF and only IF there is money in there for haircuts, and/or ice cream.
Trump canned the first stimulus and to focus on the SCOTUS confirmation. Regardless of what goes through and when - people are not going to forget that.

Fixed.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Great question

I think she accepts it - IF and only IF there is money in there for states.
Trump canned the first stimulus and to focus on the SCOTUS confirmation. Regardless of what goes through and when - people are not going to forget that.

Money for states is fine as long as it must go toward Corona based relief and not bailing out states like mine with their pension problem.

I think what Trump did was his idea of a good negotiation strategy by walking away and then coming right back and wanting to deal. It's just his Art of the Deal

[OscarOne]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Great question

I think she accepts it - IF and only IF there is money in there for states.
Trump canned the first stimulus and to focus on the SCOTUS confirmation. Regardless of what goes through and when - people are not going to forget that.

There is so much more to it than Pelosi just "accepting it." Senate Republicans are a mess, which is causing issues.

Per Axios:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told a Kentucky event on Friday that a coronavirus stimulus deal is "unlikely in the next three weeks," per the Washington Post's Erica Werner.

Our thought bubble: Two sources close to Senate leadership said President Trump is desperate, has zero leverage to push them to support a bill crafted by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and congressional Republicans aren’t inclined to wrap themselves any tighter to a sinking ship.

What they're saying: "You’re never going to get a deal out of Pelosi that Republicans can support. So do you really want to divide your party within days of an election?" said a source close to Senate leadership about McConnell's calculations.

"This entire exercise from Pelosi is basically trying to jam up the Senate in the midst of a Supreme Court confirmation. They know that from a procedural standpoint McConnell can drive this train to conclusion, so what they’re trying do is throw as many roadblocks in the way as possible — and the best way to do that is get the president focused on some extraneous issue."

"Pelosi’s out there doing 25th Amendment s--t today. Does this sound like a lady who wants a deal? There’s no way McConnell takes his eye off the ball. Republicans are intently focused on the Supreme Court."

The state of play: Senate Republicans, including McConnell, have largely been left out of the recent negotiating process between congressional Democrats and the White House.

Even if Pelosi and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin were to strike a deal — and that's a big if — there is little chance the Senate GOP would get on board with it.

Complicating matters, Senate Republicans remain far apart on what they want as a conference. They also view Trump and Mnuchin as far more willing to give more to Pelosi than what they're comfortable with — both numbers-wise and on policy.

The bottom line: McConnell doesn’t want to do anything to interrupt the only visible Republican win before the election in his chamber — the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by OscarOne

There is so much more to it than Pelosi just "accepting it." Senate Republicans are a mess, which is causing issues.

Per Axios:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told a Kentucky event on Friday that a coronavirus stimulus deal is "unlikely in the next three weeks," per the Washington Post's Erica Werner.

Our thought bubble: Two sources close to Senate leadership said President Trump is desperate, has zero leverage to push them to support a bill crafted by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and congressional Republicans aren’t inclined to wrap themselves any tighter to a sinking ship.

What they're saying: "You’re never going to get a deal out of Pelosi that Republicans can support. So do you really want to divide your party within days of an election?" said a source close to Senate leadership about McConnell's calculations.

"This entire exercise from Pelosi is basically trying to jam up the Senate in the midst of a Supreme Court confirmation. They know that from a procedural standpoint McConnell can drive this train to conclusion, so what they’re trying do is throw as many roadblocks in the way as possible — and the best way to do that is get the president focused on some extraneous issue."

"Pelosi’s out there doing 25th Amendment s--t today. Does this sound like a lady who wants a deal? There’s no way McConnell takes his eye off the ball. Republicans are intently focused on the Supreme Court."

The state of play: Senate Republicans, including McConnell, have largely been left out of the recent negotiating process between congressional Democrats and the White House.

Even if Pelosi and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin were to strike a deal — and that's a big if — there is little chance the Senate GOP would get on board with it.

Complicating matters, Senate Republicans remain far apart on what they want as a conference. They also view Trump and Mnuchin as far more willing to give more to Pelosi than what they're comfortable with — both numbers-wise and on policy.

The bottom line: McConnell doesn’t want to do anything to interrupt the only visible Republican win before the election in his chamber — the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

That's true, McConnell is the other roadblock. Though, if Trump puts out a package and he still won't hold a vote that could have some bad consequences for Senate Republicans.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

That's true, McConnell is the other roadblock. Though, if Trump puts out a package and he still won't hold a vote that could have some bad consequences for Senate Republicans.

Trump made it difficult for the Senate GOP by calling off talks.

In doing that, it seems with him coming back, he gave Pelosi a "miracle"

Either:
Senate GOP confirms the SC and dismisses the stimulus
or
Pass the stimulus and hold the SC nomination

I don't believe they can do both before the election

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Trump made it difficult for the Senate GOP by calling off talks.

In doing that, it seems with him coming back, he gave Pelosi a "miracle"

Either:
Senate GOP confirms the SC and dismisses the stimulus
or
Pass the stimulus and hold the SC nomination

I don't believe they can do both before the election

Never really thought of that aspect; certainly muddies the water a bit.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Trump made it difficult for the Senate GOP by calling off talks.

In doing that, it seems with him coming back, he gave Pelosi a "miracle"

Either:
Senate GOP confirms the SC and dismisses the stimulus
or
Pass the stimulus and hold the SC nomination

I don't believe they can do both before the election

Both will get done, and it doesn't need - to be before the election. Don't you - worry.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Both will get done, and it doesn't need - to be before the election. Don't you - worry.

Exactly.

McConnell's number one focus should be retaining the majority in the Senate...nothing more.

He has vulnerable senators that need to be campaigning. Doug Jones will probably be the lone Dem to Rep flip in the Senate, and at least two Rep seats will flip to Dem...possibly more. He knows the math and he's fighting for the Republican majority, not Trump.

Unless McConnell views either SCOTUS or stimulus to have legitimate reelection implications, they can both wait.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by discostu

Exactly.



McConnell's number one focus should be retaining the majority in the Senate...nothing more.



He has vulnerable senators that need to be campaigning. Doug Jones will probably be the lone Dem to Rep flip in the Senate, and at least two Rep seats will flip to Dem...possibly more. He knows the math and he's fighting for the Republican majority, not Trump.



Unless McConnell views either SCOTUS or stimulus to have legitimate reelection implications, they can both wait.

Wouldn't it be nice if his number one focus was advocating for the American people? I know, I know...dream world and all that.

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[wood minis]

Originally Posted by discostu

Exactly.

McConnell's number one focus should be retaining the majority in the Senate...nothing more.

He has vulnerable senators that need to be campaigning. Doug Jones will probably be the lone Dem to Rep flip in the Senate, and at least two Rep seats will flip to Dem...possibly more. He knows the math and he's fighting for the Republican majority, not Trump.

Unless McConnell views either SCOTUS or stimulus to have legitimate reelection implications, they can both wait.

The only thing I can see McConnell pushing is the SCOTUS hearing and vote. Will be interesting to see how these last weeks before the election play out.

[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by discostu

Unless McConnell views either SCOTUS or stimulus to have legitimate reelection implications, they can both wait.

The Kavanaugh hearings arguably won the GOP multiple senate races in 2018, they could be hoping for a repeat

[discostu]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

The Kavanaugh hearings arguably won the GOP multiple senate races in 2018, they could be hoping for a repeat

I don't think that Kavanaugh hearings had any tangible role in helping the GOP actually. Trump won those seats basically. Keep in mind, in 2018, Democrats had 10 seats up for reelection in states that Trump won 2 years earlier.

If we want to look at Kavanaugh implications, Manchin basically retained his seat because of his vote regarding Kavanaugh...so potentially the GOP missed out on that seat in 2018.

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Wouldn't it be nice if his number one focus was advocating for the American people? I know, I know...dream world and all that.

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Party over Country!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

I don't think that Kavanaugh hearings had any tangible role in helping the GOP actually. Trump won those seats basically. Keep in mind, in 2018, Democrats had 10 seats up for reelection in states that Trump won 2 years earlier.

If we want to look at Kavanaugh implications, Manchin basically retained his seat because of his vote regarding Kavanaugh...so potentially the GOP missed out on that seat in 2018.

And every moderate Dem who voted against Kavanaugh lost.

Bill Nelson, Heidi Heitkamp, Joe Donnelly and Claire McCaskill would like a word with your theory.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by discostu

I don't think that Kavanaugh hearings had any tangible role in helping the GOP actually. Trump won those seats basically. Keep in mind, in 2018, Democrats had 10 seats up for reelection in states that Trump won 2 years earlier.

If we want to look at Kavanaugh implications, Manchin basically retained his seat because of his vote regarding Kavanaugh...so potentially the GOP missed out on that seat in 2018.

Heidi Heitkamp lost her Senate seat for her Kavanaugh vote. What the democrats did to him was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in politics. She cost herself the race after supporting that trash. I was a Heidi voter in 2012 too.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Onions

Heidi Heitkamp lost her Senate seat for her Kavanaugh vote. What the democrats did to him was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in politics. She cost herself the race after supporting that trash. I was a Heidi voter in 2012 too.

To me, during that fiasco, Heitkamp was a pretty honest "juror"...surrounded by a lot of noise on both sides. I think she truly gave thoughtful care in her vote, and it was not based on standard partisan garbage.

And again, let's not forget what happened in 2016, Trump dominated North Dakota.

[TheFrenzy]

So are we going to do an Electoral College Pick’em this November?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So are we going to do an Electoral College Pick’em this November?

I'm hoping the vote is conclusive one way or the other. But given everything that's already happened in 2020, I would be shocked if there wasn't some sort of constitutional crisis with the election.