Corona Virus - Page 177

rebbrooks · 03-20-2020, 01:55 PM

Illinois shutting down tomorrow.

GeechQuest · 03-20-2020, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejones

Why stockpile masks when we could stockpile.. nevermind.

budd2222 · 03-20-2020, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Obama screwed USA by not stockpiling masks

Masks have a limited shelf life. If he would have filled a aircraft hanger full of them the would be worthless by now. But then you would be happy to blame him for wasting all that money.

bradical · 03-20-2020, 01:57 PM

The "intent" of the reporters question was probably just about as innocent as Trump's "intent" of calling this the Chinese Virus.

preakness · 03-20-2020, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by budd2222

Masks have a limited shelf life. If he would have filled a aircraft hanger full of them the would be worthless by now. But then you would be happy to blame him for wasting all that money.

Exactly.
So why are some on CNN blaming trump for not stockpiling?

bradical · 03-20-2020, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Obama screwed USA by not stockpiling masks

So does that mean Trump screwed the USA by firing the pandemic response team?

zonacats8 · 03-20-2020, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

Exactly.
So why are some on CNN blaming trump for not stockpiling?

I think the blame is more about not taking quicker action to get production ramped up and stockpiling them over the past few months since this all began back in December. Worst case scenario it doesn't hit that bad and he is able to then sell them directly to the hospitals as they needed them for normal use the rest of the year.

But everyone basically knew that wouldn't even happen as this was inevitable, everyone but Trump could see it, he was hoping he could bully the virus away over Twitter like he does everything else.

THAT is why he has failed right now, he refused to take the situation seriously months ago when it would have made a difference.

Chris Lyle · 03-20-2020, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

I think the blame is more about not taking quicker action to get production ramped up and stockpiling them over the past few months since this all began back in December. Worst case scenario it doesn't hit that bad and he is able to then sell them directly to the hospitals as they needed them for normal use the rest of the year.

But everyone basically knew that wouldn't even happen as this was inevitable, everyone but Trump could see it, he was hoping he could bully the virus away over Twitter like he does everything else.

THAT is why he has failed right now, he refused to take the situation seriously months ago when it would have made a difference.

So what do you say to the experts that are saying masks really aren't that useful in this matter etc. Or is it easier for you to just continue to hate our president?

budd2222 · 03-20-2020, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bradical

So does that mean Trump screwed the USA by firing the pandemic response team?

I want to see his answer on this one.

Chris Lyle · 03-20-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

I think the blame is more about not taking quicker action to get production ramped up and stockpiling them over the past few months since this all began back in December. Worst case scenario it doesn't hit that bad and he is able to then sell them directly to the hospitals as they needed them for normal use the rest of the year.

But everyone basically knew that wouldn't even happen as this was inevitable, everyone but Trump could see it, he was hoping he could bully the virus away over Twitter like he does everything else.

THAT is why he has failed right now, he refused to take the situation seriously months ago when it would have made a difference.

This is a world wide problem how is this all on Trump?????

cnewby · 03-20-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So what do you say to the experts that are saying masks really aren't that useful in this matter etc. Or is it easier for you to just continue to hate our president?

This must be rhetorical, right?

preakness · 03-20-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

Let's just say that is true, that shouldn't exempt Trump from not fixing that over the past 3 years, so sitting here and blaming Obama and absolving Trump of the problem isn't the right thing to do either.

In the end, Trump has had 3 years to fix problems he felt the Obama administration left him, blaming him for something like this, this far into their own administration is just pathetic.

The WHO offering them or not isn't the problem, it was a company in Germany that was selling them to the WHO, so why weren't we buying them from the company?

We shouldn't be dependent on the WHO offering them up, we should have been proactively asking for them from either the WHO or that German company, but Trump was too stubborn and wanted American developed, made, and sold tests only. This was not a time to play the "keep jobs and money in America" card, this was the time to help save lives and minimize the impact here.

You initially had USA not taking WHO's offer as one of your three biggest trump errors. Now after you got the real non fake news from me you say, well, that's not the issue but more that we didn't get it from Germany. You obviously didn't see in the same interview with the WHO guy that said the proposed test had a 47% false positive.

47%!!!

Yeah, maybe that's why USA decided to stick with it's unofficial policy of sticking with their own tests

Chris Lyle · 03-20-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

You initially had USA not taking WHO's offer as one of you three biggest trump errors. Now after you got the real non news from me you say, well, that's not the issue but more that we didn't get it from Germany. You obviously didn't see in the same interview with the WHO guy that the proposed test had a 47% false positive.

47%!!!

Yeah, maybe that's why USA decided to stick with it's unofficial policy of sticking with their own tests

He continues to change his rhetoric to just further his hate for our president.

cnewby · 03-20-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

You initially had USA not taking WHO's offer as one of you three biggest trump errors. Now after you got the real non news from me you say, well, that's not the issue but more that we didn't get it from Germany. You obviously didn't see in the same interview with the WHO guy that the proposed test had a 47% false positive.

47%!!!

Yeah, maybe that's why USA decided to stick with it's unofficial policy of sticking with their own tests

Well at least it wasn't 74%!

Chris Lyle · 03-20-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

This must be rhetorical, right?

Would like to see an answer actually

marl1220 · 03-20-2020, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bradical

The "intent" of the reporters question was about as probably just about as innocent as Trump's "intent" of calling this the Chinese Virus.

True. I'm not a Trump supporter but the reporter's intentions were obvious. The hatred in politics would be comical if it weren't so disturbing.

GeechQuest · 03-20-2020, 02:08 PM

Lots of TDS and TDSS up in here.

zonacats8 · 03-20-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So what do you say to the experts that are saying masks really aren't that useful in this matter etc. Or is it easier for you to just continue to hate our president?

I'm not talking about for everyday citizens, I'm talking about for the medical care workers to use, and I have not seen one expert say they aren't needed, it's been the opposite, every medical expert says how critical they are.

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

This is a world wide problem how is this all on Trump?????

I'm not talking about the problem of the virus, I'm talking directly and only about America's response and readiness to handle it when it hit our shores.

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Originally Posted by preakness

You initially had USA not taking WHO's offer as one of you three biggest trump errors. Now after you got the real non news from me you say, well, that's not the issue but more that we didn't get it from Germany. You obviously didn't see in the same interview with the WHO guy that the proposed test had a 47% false positive.

47%!!!

Yeah, maybe that's why USA decided to stick with it's unofficial policy of sticking with their own tests

Show me where I said anything about "not taking the WHO's offer" as you won't be able to.

I said we didn't use their kits, by "their kits" i was referring to the kits that the WHO was using as they were the ones buying the kits from this manufacturer and then distributing them around the world. The fact remains that there were kits available before ours that other countries were effectively using and helping their situations, like South Korea, and we had no interest in them.

And you mean the same type of issues our own tests were having when they first were distributed?

So yes, neither is a good scenario, but having issues with the early tests kits would have happened either way, would have been better to have something over a month earlier than nothing at all since we had the same problems once ours were out.

rman112 · 03-20-2020, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So what do you say to the experts that are saying masks really aren't that useful in this matter etc. Or is it easier for you to just continue to hate our president?

That's one thing I've been meaning to bring up. I remember hearing, maybe a week or so into this whole thing, how they were telling people not to freak out over not getting masks .. because they weren't particularly useful.

Wiseguy917 · 03-20-2020, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

That's one thing I've been meaning to bring up. I remember hearing, maybe a week or so into this whole thing, how they were telling people not to freak out over not getting masks .. because they weren't particularly useful.

Masks are for the sick, helping in stopping large droplets from coughing or sneezing. Masks ARE NOT for the healthy. For 1, your eyes and ears are uncovered. Rubbing your eyes or itching your ears can get you sick just as easy as through your nose/mouth. 2, you need to touch your face to take the mask off, most people do not even know how to adequately wash their own hands. 3, if you have facial hair, N95 masks do not work.

salthill · 03-20-2020, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So what do you say to the experts that are saying masks really aren't that useful in this matter etc. Or is it easier for you to just continue to hate our president?

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Originally Posted by rman112

That's one thing I've been meaning to bring up. I remember hearing, maybe a week or so into this whole thing, how they were telling people not to freak out over not getting masks .. because they weren't particularly useful.

I’d say you don’t know the difference between a surgical mask and a N95 respirator (commonly being referred to as a mask).
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/...sks-face-masks

RogerGodahell · 03-20-2020, 02:22 PM

I don't hate Trump. But i don't believe any "expert" who says they won't help either. I know that some were telling people not to buy them because it was creating a shortage for healthcare workers. Saying they are not useful in helping prevent the virus is flat out false. Why would healthcare workers need them? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that sick people wearing them to prevent spreading it into the air and healthy people wearing them as a double protectant would reduce the risk.

zonacats8 · 03-20-2020, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

That's one thing I've been meaning to bring up. I remember hearing, maybe a week or so into this whole thing, how they were telling people not to freak out over not getting masks .. because they weren't particularly useful.

And nobody here is freaking out about that, we're talking about how critical they are for hospital workers to have right now.

NoleinJax · 03-20-2020, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Here's the bottom line for me, and this is the last thing I'll post in here for a while because I'm turning into a not kind person, which I don't like.

I was certainly living in fear up until yesterday. I have been reading EVERYTHING. I have been trusting people, even "doctors" on these boards, watching CNN, etc, and I was convinced this thing is spreading a ton and everyone is at risk. I was seeing these viral stories on CNN - "MAN IN HIS 30'S ON VENTILATOR!" but then you find out he has underlying issues.

I took some time to breathe yesterday and pray and then I started looking at facts. Numbers. And for the life of me I could not understand why we were shutting down the whole economy for some tiny, tiny numbers. Like, beyond tiny. Very few people getting sick. A fraction of a percent of the population dying...like .00001. And I thought this is crazy. The media has absolutely had control over me for no reason. The facts do not support everything that is happening.

So now, there is no more fear for me. I'm going to lose my job but my family will survive, and now my efforts turn toward loving my neighbors. To opening my home to people that will not have a home. To giving what I have left to give to others. That IS where the real suffering is going to be. But I'm actually so much more hopeful today that the economy will rebound quickly because this virus is not scary at all. Very soon people will be back to hanging out together, spending money, but just hopefully a little wiser.

This whole thing has showed how much faith we put in money, in systems, in success, in comfort, in people. My faith is in someone bigger than all of that. Those are all false foundations, and I'm kind of glad those foundations have been shaken in my life and those around me.

You seem like a good dude, you've been on these board a long time. You will be okay, and if you're not - and I mean this seriously - PM Me and I will do what I can.

We're all just subjects in one big social science experiment. How far are people willing to go to protect themselves over something they can't see? Will they give up all of their freedoms? Most? How long before a sizeable portion of the population pushes back?

preakness · 03-20-2020, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zonacats8

I'm not talking about for everyday citizens, I'm talking about for the medical care workers to use, and I have not seen one expert say they aren't needed, it's been the opposite, every medical expert says how critical they are.

I'm not talking about the problem of the virus, I'm talking directly and only about America's response and readiness to handle it when it hit our shores.

Show me where I said anything about "not taking the WHO's offer" as you won't be able to.

I said we didn't use their kits, by "their kits" i was referring to the kits that the WHO was using as they were the ones buying the kits from this manufacturer and then distributing them around the world. The fact remains that there were kits available before ours that other countries were effectively using and helping their situations, like South Korea, and we had no interest in them.

And you mean the same type of issues our own tests were having when they first were distributed?

So yes, neither is a good scenario, but having issues with the early tests kits would have happened either way, would have been better to have something over a month earlier than nothing at all since we had the same problems once ours were out.

WHO admits USA was not offered the kits

WHO admitted the tests weren't the best with 47% false positive

Plus, USA for years and years has an unofficial policy of not accepting but rather developing own

We kind of dont trust other countries and world orgs about some things. And that's pre trump too

Once November comes around, we will see a lot

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GeechQuest Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 10,779 GeechQuest	Lots of TDS and TDSS up in here.

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RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	I don't hate Trump. But i don't believe any "expert" who says they won't help either. I know that some were telling people not to buy them because it was creating a shortage for healthcare workers. Saying they are not useful in helping prevent the virus is flat out false. Why would healthcare workers need them? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that sick people wearing them to prevent spreading it into the air and healthy people wearing them as a double protectant would reduce the risk.