Don't Kill The Messenger: Rumor about a BO Member At The National

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by stamkos

I'm getting real sick of everyone on here acting like they are some CIA detectives or something. Until we see evidence, nothing is true.

Umm 2 different ink colors.

[flagshipchromecollector]

Originally Posted by lakesidez

Alright everyone I found it, the UN-INSCRIBED card..........7/500 or Arcia. BOOM

2013 Bowman Chrome Oswaldo Arica Auto Autograph RC Refractor 'D 7 500 BCP OA | eBay

SAME S\N as the graded one and this one does not have an inscription. It is in his "positive" feedback comments.

there we go. hard evidence. i'm convinced.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pickapeppa

They graded the auto a 10. Any card this guy has sold has to be in question. Additionally, if this person is doing it there are likely others doing it. I'm certain people will try it just because of this thread.

When I sent Mike thousands of autos as part of BGS group submissions back in October - January, I made sure each and everyone came back so he didn't switch any.

However, I also sent him hundreds of Harper 2012 Bowman Chrome, Draft RC's which are simply unrecognizable. My gem rate on them was TERRIBLE (very unexpected for both of us actually)

I have no choice now but to wonder if I was swindled on that one. Never know ... but damn this sucks all around.

[gmsieb]

Mike has been doing this for years and has a clean rep on boards and on ebay. Why would a guy, with a clean rep, $$$$ to make in the future, risk all that over a 10-20 dollar auto??? We all know, it takes one screw up, to ruin a name. Why would mike ruin a good thing to make a few bucks?? And take the risk of doing it, right before national, where he is hoping to make some money. Wouldnt he be smart enough to sell the crap under a different name. He told me it was pulled. I have no reason not to believe him at this point. Unitl anyone with absolute proof, or the guy who says he was told by mike speaks, or mike admits to doing it, let this crap die.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by pickapeppa

Unfortunately this just further raises questions about the legitimacy of BGS grading.

They graded the card. They didn't certify what was on the card.

[bradical]

I heard this was pulled from ProspestRush 2.0.

Just kidding.

[oldgoldy97]

So he might get banned from here. What besides that happens?

[hche]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

When I sent Mike thousands of autos as part of BGS group submissions back in October - January, I made sure each and everyone came back so he didn't switch any.

However, I also sent him hundreds of Harper 2012 Bowman Chrome, Draft RC's which are simply unrecognizable. My gem rate on them was TERRIBLE (very unexpected for both of us actually)

I have no choice now but to wonder if I was swindled on that one. Never know ... but damn this sucks all around.

Wow! He did BGS group submission? Who knows if and/or how many he switched?

[stellablue]

I'm going to bed and will be up again in about 7 hours. I can't wait to read the DB's excuses. I also can't wait to read his friends defensive posts. Please don't get this thread locked.

[Djameson79]

Originally Posted by gmsieb

Mike has been doing this for years and has a clean rep on boards and on ebay. Why would a guy, with a clean rep, $$$$ to make in the future, risk all that over a 10-20 dollar auto??? We all know, it takes one screw up, to ruin a name. Why would mike ruin a good thing to make a few bucks?? And take the risk of doing it, right before national, where he is hoping to make some money. Wouldnt he be smart enough to sell the crap under a different name. He told me it was pulled. I have no reason not to believe him at this point. Unitl anyone with absolute proof, or the guy who says he was told by mike speaks, or mike admits to doing it, let this crap die.

Really dude?

[55lincecumfan55]

Its kinda stupid by BGS because These inscription cads are #d to 10

[TrueNE_09]

Originally Posted by gmsieb

Mike has been doing this for years and has a clean rep on boards and on ebay. Why would a guy, with a clean rep, $$$$ to make in the future, risk all that over a 10-20 dollar auto??? We all know, it takes one screw up, to ruin a name. Why would mike ruin a good thing to make a few bucks?? And take the risk of doing it, right before national, where he is hoping to make some money. Wouldnt he be smart enough to sell the crap under a different name. He told me it was pulled. I have no reason not to believe him at this point. Unitl anyone with absolute proof, or the guy who says he was told by mike speaks, or mike admits to doing it, let this crap die.

You're probably right. There are probably two of the same serial #'d 2013 Bowman Chrome autos out there. That is what happened! That explains it....

[dlab85]

Originally Posted by stellablue

I'm going to bed and will be up again in about 7 hours. I can't wait to read the DB's excuses. I also can't wait to read his friends defensive posts. Please don't get this thread locked.

This might be hard to fathom... It's gotten real quiet in here for any supporters

[tonedef2oo8]

I just layered the 2 autograph in photoshop. We have an EXACT match.

[Sikkcaden]

Originally Posted by gmsieb

Mike has been doing this for years and has a clean rep on boards and on ebay. Why would a guy, with a clean rep, $$$$ to make in the future, risk all that over a 10-20 dollar auto??? We all know, it takes one screw up, to ruin a name. Why would mike ruin a good thing to make a few bucks?? And take the risk of doing it, right before national, where he is hoping to make some money. Wouldnt he be smart enough to sell the crap under a different name. He told me it was pulled. I have no reason not to believe him at this point. Unitl anyone with absolute proof, or the guy who says he was told by mike speaks, or mike admits to doing it, let this crap die.

posted before reading, I assume?

[fungi2510]

Originally Posted by gmsieb

Mike has been doing this for years and has a clean rep on boards and on ebay. Why would a guy, with a clean rep, $$$$ to make in the future, risk all that over a 10-20 dollar auto??? We all know, it takes one screw up, to ruin a name. Why would mike ruin a good thing to make a few bucks?? And take the risk of doing it, right before national, where he is hoping to make some money. Wouldnt he be smart enough to sell the crap under a different name. He told me it was pulled. I have no reason not to believe him at this point. Unitl anyone with absolute proof, or the guy who says he was told by mike speaks, or mike admits to doing it, let this crap die.

Did you not see the card in question that was sold to Mike???? It had been tampered with. It is right there. He left positive feedback, and he was trying to make 180 bucks. Not really worth losing his chances of selling on here, but whatever. Again, read the thread, then post. It's simple even for middle schoolers like you.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by TrueNE_09

You're probably right. There are probably two of the same serial #'d 2013 Bowman Chrome autos out there. That is what happened! That explains it....

I use 2 different pens when I sign my cheques. I use blue for my number and signature and pink for my smileyfaces!!

Doesnt everyone use 2 different pen colours when signing stuff?

[Dbott1234]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

When I sent Mike thousands of autos as part of BGS group submissions back in October - January, I made sure each and everyone came back so he didn't switch any.

However, I also sent him hundreds of Harper 2012 Bowman Chrome, Draft RC's which are simply unrecognizable. My gem rate on them was TERRIBLE (very unexpected for both of us actually)

I have no choice now but to wonder if I was swindled on that one. Never know ... but damn this sucks all around.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Of course DB ... but BGS should have been able to easily tell that this card was not legitimate. It surely doesn't help the industry that the one company responsible for authenticating and grading cards has missed such an obvious error.

I agree, I'm just giving them a pass on this one. Like stated above, Dylan Bundy signed a few cards different ways and there have been others. I've seen them in BGS holders and no one even thought twice about it. Simple mistake I leave it at that.

As for the Harpers, don't sweat that. I had a much lower rate with those as I ever have in any submission also. Even as many 9.5 that I received I was still disappointed in my "conversion rate."

[fungi2510]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

So he might get banned from here. What besides that happens?

Hopefully he loses customers and has to re-evaluate his thinking. Not sure what happens with BGS, but I think serious questions have to be answered by them.

[Sikkcaden]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

I just layered the 2 autograph in photoshop. We have an EXACT match.

Thanks! Added to the OP!

[lakesidez]

Originally Posted by stamkos

Again someone please pm me that is at the national and can do me a huge favor. Reward included

Ahhh I wish I was.........

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Lack of response from the accused really cements it. Probably biding time trying to think of an out.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by gmsieb

Mike has been doing this for years and has a clean rep on boards and on ebay. Why would a guy, with a clean rep, $$$$ to make in the future, risk all that over a 10-20 dollar auto??? We all know, it takes one screw up, to ruin a name. Why would mike ruin a good thing to make a few bucks?? And take the risk of doing it, right before national, where he is hoping to make some money. Wouldnt he be smart enough to sell the crap under a different name. He told me it was pulled. I have no reason not to believe him at this point. Unitl anyone with absolute proof, or the guy who says he was told by mike speaks, or mike admits to doing it, let this crap die.

He had clean feedback. People are coming out of the woodwork now with other issues, one who has been posting in this thread.




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[calculusdork]

He is .... just a kid. Wow.

[bpo]

Unbelievable.... wow