Sorry: Discussing the Jose Altuve Buzzer Conspiracy Theory

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

You guys can keep bringing up the buzzer stuff all you want, but he’s still getting into the Hall of Fame.

He should be in the HOF for what he did to the Yankees alone.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Sean Murply 2023 OPS: 844 24/25 630/700
matt olson 2023 OPS: 1000 24/25 800/850
ozzie albies 2023 OPS: 850 24/25 710/670
arcia 2023 OPS: 740 24/25 630/530
riley 2023 OPS: 860 24/25 780/730
roasrio 2023 OPS: 750 24/25 550
ozuna 2023 OPS: 905 /25 750
Harris 810/720/680

Then of course there is acuna 2022 OPS 760....2024 OPS 720.... 2023 OPS 1000+

Acuna year by year K% i think hes like 21% every year of his career and then like 12 in 2023. That just doesn't happen. They were def cheating

Pretty crazy they all had career years that season. Could it have been the ball?

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Didn’t a kindergartner write this or is English not your native language?

I posted on my phone and don't care enough to auto correct. That being said name one player in the last 20 years that had posted a K rate close to 25% for 7/7 seasons then a sub 12% K rate randomly one year. And my random I mean in a year when rest of team also had a team OPS 100-125 points higher then any of last 5 seasons

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Pretty crazy they all had career years that season. Could it have been the ball?

As I previously posted none of them had a career year except for Olson and maybe Arcia and Murphy.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

As I previously posted none of them had a career year except for Olson and maybe Arcia and Murphy.

Only Murphy, Olson, Arcia, Albies and Acuna having.

Saying hey only 60% of our lineup posted career years in same season proves we weren’t cheating doesn’t convince me

[Mister2Bits]

He cheated and stole an MVP from Judge.

I was a huge Altuve fan before that night. Fire sold it all in disgust after.

His cards go straight to the trash or to COMC.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Only Murphy, Olson, Arcia, Albies and Acuna having.

Saying hey only 60% of our lineup posted career years in same season proves we weren’t cheating doesn’t convince me

I guess your reading comprehension is on the same level as your grammar.

-Albies did hit a career high 33 HRs but he’d hit 30 HRs previously so it’s not like it was some wild outlier. His best OPS was also in 2019.

-Acuna Jr. went 40/70 in 2023 but he’d also hit more than 40 HRs previously so it’s not like it was some wild outlier. The major increase in stolen bases was due to MLB’s new rules instituted in 2023 to wait for it…try to increase stolen bases. Ohtani also benefited greatly from this as he’s never even stolen 30 bases in a season except for in 2024.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

I guess your reading comprehension is on the same level as your grammar.

-Albies did hit a career high 33 HRs but he’d hit 30 HRs previously so it’s not like it was some wild outlier. His best OPS was also in 2019.

-Acuna Jr. went 40/70 in 2023 but he’d also hit more than 40 HRs previously so it’s not like it was some wild outlier. The major increase in stolen bases was due to MLB’s new rules instituted in 2023 to wait for it…try to increase stolen bases. Ohtani also benefited greatly from this as he’s never even stolen 30 bases in a season except for in 2024.

You keep glancing over the part about Acuna season being one of the greatest outliers in baseball history (K%) which is prob the stat that would be most influenced by cheating

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

You keep glancing over the part about Acuna season being one of the greatest outliers in baseball history (K%) which is prob the stat that would be most influenced by cheating

So that along with Arcia having a “career year” that was only marginally better than his next best season and Murphy having his career best season is your evidence?

[crownand]

Side story on Altuve. Saw him in Chicago. My 10 year old son asked for his autograph. It's just us and no one else. My son has his card too. He shakes his head no and walks away. We are repectful of the players but will try for autographs in locations that players are known to sign at and Altuve totally blew us off. He had to take 1 step towards my son and sign for 2 seconds. We have determined who cheer for/don't care for in MLB with these interactions. Altuve = no bueno. This was the year after the buzzer scandal too.

[vinson24]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

He cheated and stole an MVP from Judge.

I was a huge Altuve fan before that night. Fire sold it all in disgust after.

His cards go straight to the trash or to COMC.

He didn’t steal it from Judge, he stole it from Jose Ramirez with your logic. Yankees got caught cheating in 2017 with Apple Watches. So Judge was a cheater as well. Next up Jose Ramirez

[BennyA]

Originally Posted by Cardsareus84

What a pointless thread.. The Astros must still be living in the OP's head.. rent free..

Of all the scandals in baseball, this is one you want to talk about? Damn near every team has cheated lol. Some way worse than a trashcan or buzzer (that didn't happen). OP should do a little research as to why he didn't want his shirt torn off, the facts are there, just look it up.

Only a pansy would make a thread like this, 8 years later. What's even more hilarious is the Astros went to 7 straight ALCS and 3 more World Series AFTER this scnadal. LOL.

And yes, Altuve is a first ballot HOF'er and there is nothing that is going to stop that.

But he did go from everyone's favorite little guy warrior before that to being universally hated everywhere but in Houston still and his card prices are garbage as to where they should be and what he has accomplished.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by crownand

Side story on Altuve. Saw him in Chicago. My 10 year old son asked for his autograph. It's just us and no one else. My son has his card too. He shakes his head no and walks away. We are repectful of the players but will try for autographs in locations that players are known to sign at and Altuve totally blew us off. He had to take 1 step towards my son and sign for 2 seconds. We have determined who cheer for/don't care for in MLB with these interactions. Altuve = no bueno. This was the year after the buzzer scandal too.

I saw him one time at a Spring Training game in Lakeland. Super nice. Signed for (almost) everyone. Players have good days and bad days.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by vinson24

He didn’t steal it from Judge, he stole it from Jose Ramirez with your logic. Yankees got caught cheating in 2017 with Apple Watches. So Judge was a cheater as well. Next up Jose Ramirez

The Yankees used the dugout phones to relay pitches in the 2015-2016 season. It was the Yankees who accused and MLB proved the Red Sox were using Apple Watches in 2017.

[vinson24]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

The Yankees used the dugout phones to relay pitches in the 2015-2016 season. It was the Yankees who accused and MLB proved the Red Sox were using Apple Watches in 2017.

Then I take it back, he stole it from Judge instead of Ramirez. Ramirez almost got his MVP

[Cardsareus84]

Originally Posted by BennyA

But he did go from everyone's favorite little guy warrior before that to being universally hated everywhere but in Houston still and his card prices are garbage as to where they should be and what he has accomplished.

I think he handled the scandal wrong by going out and publicly apologizing for the entire team when he actually didn't cheat. He knew the team was doing it and etc. and didn't stop it, so I get that viewpoint, but there is no evidence of Altuve actually using the system. The MLB just used the Astros as the scapegoat because there were A LOT of teams doing similar #@#@#@#@ (stealing signs using video, etc.). Meanwhile the 2017 Astros were the ultimate feel good story after Hurricane Harvey basically destroyed the Texas Coast and Houston.

Anyone that knows anything about baseball knows it's a brotherhood and teams area always trying to gain an advantage. This will never change. Hence why Mike Fiers is universally hated by just about everyone in baseball.

I believe most of the hate is from morons that don't really know baseball and look for something to blame due to their team (Yankees/Dodgers particularly) short comings. Both of those cities are also the largest media markets so the narrative is heavily pushed. I just find it hilarious that teams like the Yankees have had a plethora of cheating scandals and those are just overlooked. Hell, Mookie Betts has publicly admitted to cheating and nobody even talks about that... LOL.

Altuve is the Yankees Daddy and those fans can't handle it, so they just resort to "cheater" because they are insecure.

Yea his card prices are not great, except for some of his 2011 Topps Update diamond anniversary cards. I think that will change as time goes on and he gets into the HOF. Altuve is one of the nicest guys around and gives a #@#@#@#@ ton back to the community and his home country.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I saw him one time at a Spring Training game in Lakeland. Super nice. Signed for (almost) everyone. Players have good days and bad days.

Same. Celebrities probably have thousands if not hundreds of thousands fan interactions over the course a lifetime. Not every single one is going to be positive.

The only time it grinds my gears are at card shows or cons where they’re literally being paid to be there and are still dicks.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Same. Celebrities probably have thousands if not hundreds of thousands fan interactions over the course a lifetime. Not every single one is going to be positive.

The only time it grinds my gears are at card shows or cons where they’re literally being paid to be there and are still dicks.

Yeah, once you pay their set fee, they now owe you something, and part of that (in my opinion) is a pleasant encounter.

[base set]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I saw him one time at a Spring Training game in Lakeland. Super nice. Signed for (almost) everyone. Players have good days and bad days.

dat Jesse Biddle doe, sharpen the pitch forks


Braves question: did they have the same Hitting coach that one year?
Teams can junk their hitting strategy in wild thematic swings (intended) from year-to-year.


I need a 2013 Topps #227 Emerald Altuve, if anybody’s holdin’

[atk825]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Sorry to stray from the OP, if you’re someone who doesn’t like tangents please feel free to stop reading and move on, but…

Can we talk about the suspicious ending to the 1926 World Series?

I can't believe Miller Huggins didn't review it.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by base set

dat Jesse Biddle doe, sharpen the pitch forks


Braves question: did they have the same Hitting coach that one year?
Teams can junk their hitting strategy in wild thematic swings (intended) from year-to-year.


I need a 2013 Topps #227 Emerald Altuve, if anybody’s holdin’

Kevin Seitzer was the hitting coach from 2015-2024.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by atk825

I can't believe Miller Huggins didn't review it.

I guess it was a failed hit-and-run attempt. Ruth was hung out to dry when Bob Meusel missed the pitch.

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

You guys can keep bringing up the buzzer stuff all you want, but he’s still getting into the Hall of Fame. The BWAA doesn’t care about that kind of cheating the same way they care about PEDs.

Carlos Beltran sheds a tear at this statement

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Carlos Beltran sheds a tear at this statement

He’ll be in soon enough. His numbers are plenty adequate. The cheating scandal, playing for seven different teams, and no MVPs don’t help, but he’ll get in eventually.

Although I feel like I lived through The Carlos Beltran Experience and never really felt like I was watching one of the all-time greats.

[Lonewolf]

Altuve is/was/and always will be a cheater no matter how much the Texas boys keep trying to convince everyone else otherwise.