Question - WS MVP

[corockies]

After tonight's game, Trey Yesavage should win MVP if the Jays win it all. What a stud!

[boxbuster7]

y'all JUST GOT YESAVAGED

[BoSoxFan1999]

If the Jays win, Vlad will be MVP. If the Dodgers win, Ohtani (though Yamamoto has a chance as long as he spins another gem tomorrow).

[fulltritty]

If the Jays win, Vladdy is getting MVP and not anyone on the losing Dodgers. I can't imagine the uproar if someone on the losing Dodgers won over what Vladdy has been doing.

[ThatGuyPal]

Vlad now -195 to win WS MVP over Ohtani +250 on Fanduel fyi

[BoSoxFan1999]

Pretty crazy to think if Yamamoto doesn't pitch that gem in G2 and Ohtani doesn't go nuclear in G3, the Jays would have probably won in a sweep.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Pretty crazy to think if Yamamoto doesn't pitch that gem in G2 and Ohtani doesn't go nuclear in G3, the Jays would have probably won in a sweep.

Even crazier to know that the Blue Jays are doing this (mostly) without their best hitter of the season (George Springer).

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

If the Jays win, Vladdy is getting MVP and not anyone on the losing Dodgers. I can't imagine the uproar if someone on the losing Dodgers won over what Vladdy has been doing.

but but but...but...but the "hobby"

[duwal]

I hear Toronto is fine with awarding Blake Snell the World Series MVP for them

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

People were soooooo sure of the Dodgers before the series now you have threads like this LOL

Nah Vlad getting it if they lose

What do you mean threads like this? I never once said the Dodgers were a lock. It was solely a question of whether it could happen. To spark discussion.

Originally Posted by hammertime

I have a hard time believing a player on a losing team will ever win MVP again unless it's an absolutely otherworldly performance.

You don’t think setting WS records would be other worldly?

My thought is as a pitcher breaking a WS record is an outstanding accomplishment.

If the Jays win, I think Vlad is the front runner, but think if anyone could pull off WS MVP on a losing team, it would be something like what Ohtani has done.

I would not be upset if he didn’t, but would not be surprised if he did.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Pretty crazy to think if Yamamoto doesn't pitch that gem in G2 and Ohtani doesn't go nuclear in G3, the Jays would have probably won in a sweep.

You mean so if baseball wasn’t baseball?

[ThoseBackPages]

its FatBoys to lose at this point

[Clause37]

Yesavage if Vladdy does not continue to perform. Otherwise? Vladdy or Barger.

If Dodgers somehow pull it off, it will be Yamamoto.

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by Clause37

Yesavage if Vladdy does not continue to perform. Otherwise? Vladdy or Barger.

If Dodgers somehow pull it off, it will be Yamamoto.

Not a betting man but Yesavange is probably undervalued as a World Series MVP candidate

Especially if the Blue Jays bring him back for a few innings in Game Seven...

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Not a betting man but Yesavange is probably undervalued as a World Series MVP candidate

Especially if the Blue Jays bring him back for a few innings in Game Seven...

Yesavage is not gonna win MVP after pitching 2 games and 11.2 innings. If he also helps close out the WS, maybe he has a case then.

[StlBen]

To date:
If Bluejays win - Vladdy
If Dodgers win - Yamamoto

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by dashcol

What do you mean threads like this? I never once said the Dodgers were a lock. It was solely a question of whether it could happen. To spark discussion.



You don’t think setting WS records would be other worldly?

My thought is as a pitcher breaking a WS record is an outstanding accomplishment.

If the Jays win, I think Vlad is the front runner, but think if anyone could pull off WS MVP on a losing team, it would be something like what Ohtani has done.

I would not be upset if he didn’t, but would not be surprised if he did.

I mean look at the Official WS thread before it started for who I mean by “people” which I didn’t say included you. Still makes this ironic/funny as most probably including yourself if being honest never thought this thread would be a possibility as it was made after the Jays tied it ruining many “Dodgers in 5” predictions.

Also feels tbh Ohtani collectors/investors etc are doing everything to try and overshadow what Vlad is doing in the WS and spotlighting Ohtani, this thread a perfect example. Many people already added another WS + MVP to his accomplishments which helps their cards. Now that is evaporating, if you ask though I’m sure it’s completely different and they own zero Ohtani’s (right lol)

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

I mean look at the Official WS thread before it started for who I mean by “people” which I didn’t say included you. Still makes this ironic/funny as most probably including yourself if being honest never thought this thread would be a possibility as it was made after the Jays tied it ruining many “Dodgers in 5” predictions.

Also feels tbh Ohtani collectors/investors etc are doing everything to try and overshadow what Vlad is doing in the WS and spotlighting Ohtani, this thread a perfect example. Many people already added another WS + MVP to his accomplishments which helps their cards. Now that is evaporating, if you ask though I’m sure it’s completely different and they own zero Ohtani’s (right lol)

I own a couple low end Ohtani’s. I think the most expensive is like $50.

I see what you are saying, but I started this thread, because what I love most about baseball is the history and the stats.

Winning a WS MVP on a losing team is one that is intriguing to me. Not trying to pump Ohtani (he doesn’t need help anyways), I just see it as in the last 75 years, he is the only one who can be in the talks of being able to do it.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by dashcol

What do you mean threads like this? I never once said the Dodgers were a lock. It was solely a question of whether it could happen. To spark discussion.



You don’t think setting WS records would be other worldly?

My thought is as a pitcher breaking a WS record is an outstanding accomplishment.

If the Jays win, I think Vlad is the front runner, but think if anyone could pull off WS MVP on a losing team, it would be something like what Ohtani has done.

I would not be upset if he didn’t, but would not be surprised if he did.

I'm not trying to hate on Ohtani by any means, but I think calling his WS performance "otherwordly" is a little too far. He had one exceptional game, but most of the historic nature of that game (reaching base 9 times) came from the extreme length of that game and being walked 5 times. He absolutely deserves credit for being feared enough to be walked repearedly, but the do-or-die nature of an extra inning game combined with his teams (and Toronto's) combined offensive ineptitude made walking him repeatedly a no-brainer. Dont get me wrong, hitting 2 HR's in a game is amazing, no doubt, but my quick google search says it's happened 41 times in WS history.

I'm honestly not trying to take anything away from Ohtani, but other then that one game, he hasn't done much offensively other then hitting a meaningless late game HR in a blowout loss. Not to mention, as amazing as it is to both pitch and hit at his level, it can't only be gravy. He did pitch mediocre at best and was responsible for his team's loss in his lone start, which honestly probably ought to be close to disqualifying for the WS MVP even if the Dodger win in 7. Again, I don't want to come off as bashing him, but if we're talking about giving an MVP away to a player on a losing team, I don't think his one amazing game should overshadow a series losing effort.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by dashcol

but think if anyone could pull off WS MVP on a losing team, it would be something like what Ohtani has done.

bonds has a .700 OBP (lol) and slugged like .1300 (lol) and didn't get it

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by dashcol

What do you mean threads like this? I never once said the Dodgers were a lock. It was solely a question of whether it could happen. To spark discussion.



You don’t think setting WS records would be other worldly?

My thought is as a pitcher breaking a WS record is an outstanding accomplishment.

If the Jays win, I think Vlad is the front runner, but think if anyone could pull off WS MVP on a losing team, it would be something like what Ohtani has done.

I would not be upset if he didn’t, but would not be surprised if he did.

If the Blue Jays win and Ohtani is named WS MVP on the losing team, there is going to be major outrage from fans all over baseball who aren't Japanese or Ohtaini fan boyz. There are 6 Blue Jays players with better averages that have contributed more to their team's 3 wins than Ohtaini in the World Series. And Ohtani couldn't even win his start.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

If the Blue Jays win and Ohtani is named WS MVP on the losing team, there is going to be major outrage from fans all over baseball who aren't Japanese or Ohtaini fan boyz. There are 6 Blue Jays players with better averages that have contributed more to their team's 3 wins than Ohtaini in the World Series. And Ohtani couldn't even win his start.

Makes great sense. There would be ramifications in the fan base if it were to happen.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by StlBen

To date:
If Bluejays win - Vladdy
If Dodgers win - Yamamoto

Still true.

[fabiani12333]

If Addison Barger hadn't gotten thrown out at 2B to end game 6, he'd be the favorite for the Jays: .476 BA, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 4 R, 0.48 WPA (leads his team).

Yamamoto is clearly the favorite for the Dodgers: 2 ER, 15.0 IP, 0.65 WPA (leads his team)

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by StlBen

To date:
If Bluejays win - Vladdy
If Dodgers win - Yamamoto

I stand by this.