Is Kyle Schwarber a HOFer?

[JWBlue]

Answering the question in the title: As much as I like Schwarber and feel he has a good chance to be in the HOF, I don't think he will.

He has a 19.8 WAR at age 32. He will have to mash for the next 8 seasons.

[oldgoldy97]

Who has more WS wins: Trout, Judge or Schwarbs?

I’ll hang up and listen.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Ya’ll really cheering BP HRs in an All-Star game… man baseball is doomed


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It's an exhibition game who cares

[Archangel1775]

OK, well this helps his case. Sure it's an All-Star Game swing-off but an All-Star MVP is an All-Star MVP. I'd say it definitely helps his brand and in signing a new long-term contract. Still a long way to go, so we shall see.

[dantheman514]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

OK, well this helps his case. Sure it's an All-Star Game swing-off but an All-Star MVP is an All-Star MVP. I'd say it definitely helps his brand and in signing a new long-term contract. Still a long way to go, so we shall see.

I agree that this helps his case. We are talking about the Hall of FAME, and last night certainly made him more famous.

[boxbuster7]

I'm actually confused...who is the other commentator besides joe davis during the swing off? where did smoltz go?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

OK, well this helps his case. Sure it's an All-Star Game swing-off but an All-Star MVP is an All-Star MVP. I'd say it definitely helps his brand and in signing a new long-term contract. Still a long way to go, so we shall see.

No, it doesn't. He still is never getting in. Steve Garvey has 2 AS MVPs, 10 AS selections, 2 NLCS MVP, 1 NL MVP and double the WAR of Kyle and he isn't in the HOF.

[Siberian13]

Putting a guy in the HOF with a .231 avg and all those strikeouts would be hilarious. That’s baseball these days

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, it doesn't. He still is never getting in. Steve Garvey has 2 AS MVPs, 10 AS selections, 2 NLCS MVP, 1 NL MVP and double the WAR of Kyle and he isn't in the HOF.

He will be one day.

[HeritageKing]

Ohtani left the game early to put money on Schwarbs. What an absolute beast.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, it doesn't. He still is never getting in. Steve Garvey has 2 AS MVPs, 10 AS selections, 2 NLCS MVP, 1 NL MVP and double the WAR of Kyle and he isn't in the HOF.

Gotta give credit where credit is due. In today's world, people love winners. People love highlights. This should help him sign a long term contract with someone. The man's 32 so long term might be only 5 years. Not sure if he can do enough in that short time frame to be worthy though. He'd need an 8 year with the contract being front loaded and perform to the end.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, it doesn't. He still is never getting in. Steve Garvey has 2 AS MVPs, 10 AS selections, 2 NLCS MVP, 1 NL MVP and double the WAR of Kyle and he isn't in the HOF.

Awards are sometimes for the best choice, not a good player.

Schwarbs would have destroyed 70s-80s pitching.

[itsbaytime]

You guys (who think he is hall bound) are absolutely insane:

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[oldgoldy97]

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[patchgenie]

no, haha

might as well make is joey Gallo a HOF'er thread

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, it doesn't. He still is never getting in. Steve Garvey has 2 AS MVPs, 10 AS selections, 2 NLCS MVP, 1 NL MVP and double the WAR of Kyle and he isn't in the HOF.

That's actually kind of crazy. Seems like a pretty impressive resume. He ran for Senator or Congress out here in California but didn't do much in advertisements to appeal to the people.

As for as Schwarber, I'd lock him in as a Future Hall of Famer with Home Run #600. Otherwise, it's a big mountain to climb. While I do believe 500 Home Runs is the career milestone, the way they are getting hit out the park this year, some of these guys could get there by their 9th season.

[ironfireman]

I don't think Schwarber has more than a 5-10% shot at the HOF, but I am going to try and make a case for it.
Since MLB banned "the shift" in 2024 Schwarbs is tied for the 9th in wRC+ with Cal Raleigh.
.248/370/508
And while a .248 batting average is low, .370 OBP is 10th - only Soto and Judge have a higher walk rate.
With an ISO (Avr+Slg) of 6th best.
He is a top hitter.
What is key for Schwarbs is this next contract. He needs years. Probably at least 6 and 8 would be awesome. If he wants a shot to be a baseball immortal and get 500+ hrs and isn't obsessed with $ he should sign with a good competing club for 8/120 or something. Philly is great for his swing and they are always competing. Yankee Stadium and the Yanks would be great but they still have Stanton for 2 more years but if Scwarber was cheap enough. I'd think a dark horse is Cinci. Great place to hit, Schwarbs is from the area.
Schwarber has really only played 8 years worth of baseball. Due to college, missing a year with knee surgery & Covid. He's a DH so health shouldn't be a huge concern. Good eye, power... maybe he could play another 8 years. And if he could do that he might flirt with 600 HRs and then...
Biggest obstacles other than low BA, WAR, DH is 992 career hits and 6-8 guys in his age group that are HOF - Trout, Judge, Betts, Harper, Machado, Lindor, Ramirez...

TLDR: Schwarber will prolly need 600 HRs to be HOF - which he might have a shot at.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Gotta give credit where credit is due. In today's world, people love winners. People love highlights. This should help him sign a long term contract with someone. The man's 32 so long term might be only 5 years. Not sure if he can do enough in that short time frame to be worthy though. He'd need an 8 year with the contract being front loaded and perform to the end.

I think this particular AS MVP is close to meaningless because it came purely from the gimmicky, novelty swing-off. I can't say it won't help his HOF resume because HOF voters sometimes reward meaningless stuff. But hitting 3 BP home runs isn't going to do anything for his free agency prospects.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

I will say this, for 40 games this season, he has played like a Hall of Famer. If his entire career were like these 40 games, he'd be a slam dunk. But the season is long, careers are long, he'd have to keep this up for a looooong time to make the Hall of Fame.

To update this, for 96 games this season, he has played like a Hall of Famer. He needs to keep this up for about another 1,200 games then we can talk.

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

To update this, for 96 games this season, he has played like a Hall of Famer. He needs to keep this up for about another 1,200 games then we can talk.

Exactly. Posters here are talking about 600 home runs. There are only 9 players in the history of baseball that have reached that milestone.

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[hche]

Well, I can't get around a guy with no top 10 MVP season making the hall of fame. Even our most debated HOF'ers Baines got 2. 1 of the lightest hitting HOF'er, Ozzie got 1.

[f2tornado]

If he sticks around long enough and generally productive, he could have a career stat line very similar to Killebrew sans the positional WAR. There's more postseason games these days yet he can make up for the missing MVP hardware with those stats. He already has one ring.

Longshot, yes, but I don't think it's Rich Strike at 80-1 in the Kentucky Derby either.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by hche

Well, I can't get around a guy with no top 10 MVP season making the hall of fame. Even our most debated HOF'ers Baines got 2. 1 of the lightest hitting HOF'er, Ozzie got 1.

By WAR he's been the 34th best positional player in the league, I said something similar earlier in the thread, I don't know how anyone could believe a guy who has never even been even the 30th best position player in the league for a single season could be a HOFer.

He could play until he was 60 getting counting stats and he's not a HOFer. Very good player for plenty of seasons, never a HOFer and there hasn't been one statistical argument in this thread that would suggest he is or is on pace other than potential antiquated 'benchmark' numbers.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by hche

Well, I can't get around a guy with no top 10 MVP season making the hall of fame. Even our most debated HOF'ers Baines got 2. 1 of the lightest hitting HOF'er, Ozzie got 1.

yeah Ozzie finishing 2nd in MVP in 1987 voting with a .303 avg and 0 hrs ahead of other guys like Jack Clark with 35 homers, a .459 OBP and 1.055 OPS or Tony Gwynn batting .370, Tim Raines, Will Clark and others is one of the biggest head scratchers

[hche]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

By WAR he's been the 34th best positional player in the league, I said something similar earlier in the thread, I don't know how anyone could believe a guy who has never even been even the 30th best position player in the league for a single season could be a HOFer.

He could play until he was 60 getting counting stats and he's not a HOFer. Very good player for plenty of seasons, never a HOFer and there hasn't been one statistical argument in this thread that would suggest he is or is on pace other than potential antiquated 'benchmark' numbers.

Yeah, right now, his 162 Game avg is almost identical to Adam Dunn. Dunn played long enough to get 462 HRs. I don't think I have ever heard people saying Dunn is a HOF'er.