Is Kyle Schwarber a HOFer?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

I always liked Schwarber and thought the short porch at Camden Yards would be a great fit for him. Maybe the Orioles get final season Schwarber as a DH. Kind of like when they got minutes from retirement Jim Thome.

That short porch really treated Chris Davis well in his last few years.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

I think Bernie could get in as senior's candidate down the road. If you look at some of the weaker candidates who have been inducted in recent years why not Bernie too?

If people are basing Schwarber getting in on one stat and his postseason HR, then Bernie should have already been in. He was a huge piece of the Yankee Dynasty in the late 90s and early 2000s. Obviously he played in the shadow of Jeter, but Bernie was a great all around player and hitter.
Far superior HOF case for Bernie over someone like Kyle “HR or Nothing” Schwarber.


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[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by rats60

Hoyt Wilhelm debuted at 29 years 267 days old, but he was a knuckle ball pitcher who pitched his last game at age 49 350 days. I would not count Negro League players like Satchel Paige because he was Hall of Famer without pitching a single game in the majors.

Good one. He’s the only pitcher to win the ERA title without starting a single game…and he did that as a Rookie.

[Archangel1775]

Another player that fell short of a career milestone was Johnny Damon. 56.3 WAR, 2769 Hits and 2 World Series wins where he contributed immensely.

He hopped teams the last 3 years of his career and at 37 had 152 Hits and was done at 38 after 46 Hits. Not sure what happened but it seems he just had enough with injuries or maybe something more personal. You would think he could hang on for a few more years to add 231 Hits.

[BigL7370]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Another player that fell short of a career milestone was Johnny Damon. 56.3 WAR, 2769 Hits and 2 World Series wins where he contributed immensely.

He hopped teams the last 3 years of his career and at 37 had 152 Hits and was done at 38 after 46 Hits. Not sure what happened but it seems he just had enough with injuries or maybe something more personal. You would think he could hang on for a few more years to add 231 Hits.

I felt like the sentiment on Damon was he was going to first player to get 3,000 hits but have voters think hard about how HoF worthy his career really was.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by BigL7370

I felt like the sentiment on Damon was he was going to first player to get 3,000 hits but have voters think hard about how HoF worthy his career really was.

Damon was a guy who needed that milestone to have a chance. His overall counting stats are collectively quite good but none standout. Then there are the less noticeable things like making the pitch count jump. His 1.9% first ballot vote was a shame. I felt he at least deserved some conversation for a few years.

[jhssketchcards]

Harper a HOFer. His career makes Schwarber’s look like night and day. Both have had issues with injuries, both have changed positions. Harper is a 3x MVP and perennial All-Star. His career offensive numbers are far superior to Schwarber. If Harper were to get injured and his career was over next year, he’s still a HOF but there would be some who would debate it. No key HOF stats, no WS ring.
I believe he still gets in, but some would doubt him being a 1st ballot.

Schwarber isn’t half the PLAYER Harper is. He has power yes, but that’s it. If someone like Harper, who has been a force since he entered the league, will have some detractors how in God’s name will someone like Schwarber get in?

I think to Bernie Williams again. He had a HOF worthy career, but because he played under the shadow of Jeter, I believe his HOF votes suffered.
Jeter had major HOF numbers voters couldn’t ignore, across the board including the WS rings and his postseason records. Jeter was as consistent a playoff performer vs regular season as you could find. Williams contributed mightily in the playoffs as well.

Paul Goldschmidt, Giancarlo Stanton, Nolan Arenado and Freddie Freeman are all more deserving of HOF debate than Schwarber and yet they all have those who argue against right now.
Their case grow and solidify with each productive season. Their careers have multiple angles offensively (and some defensively) that paint a picture that is a whole composition (Stanton though has waned). Goldschmidt, Freeman and Arenado have been consistent performers for over a decade. Some minor less than seasons, but overall HOF worthy.

Schwarber hits HR. That’s it. Lots of guys have done that. Many have done that and more, but aren’t in.


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[Soxrule111]

Originally Posted by rats60

Schwarber has 0% chance to make the HOF no matter how many HRs he hits. The only way he gets in is if he buys a ticket like you or me.

I know your one of the old school guys here, but do you really believe is Schwarber gets to say 511 Home Runs he doesnt make it in? Other than PED Bonds and Palmerieo hell be the only 500 guy not in.

I do believe 500 and Clean = 100% HOF Lock. Add in the WS stuff and Playoff Numbers it only bolsters his odds.


Also, to those saying 32 and only 300. He played 1/3 of a season because of Covid, and Lost an entire season to injury. If those 2 never happened, do you still #@#@#@#@ on him if the number was finished his age 32 season at 350 home runs?

My Push is simply on staying healthy and around for 500. He hasn't passed Adam Dunn on my HOF Chart yet, you never know how a career turns out. But for a dude who hit 46/47/38 and on pace for like 50 this year. If he finishes at 42 this year, hes as 326 at age 32. If he goes Age 33-35HR, Age 34-29HR, Age 35- 25HRs thats a horrible trajectory but hes still 35 years old with 415.

Or he keeps his Pace, hits 48 this year, and 42 each of the next 2 years hes 34 years old with 420. To say he cant hit 80 in 6 years is just hating on a dude playing till 40.

[Big35Hurt]

Inspired by this thread, I picked up a 2015 Heritage SP action variation RC.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by Soxrule111

I know your one of the old school guys here, but do you really believe is Schwarber gets to say 511 Home Runs he doesnt make it in? Other than PED Bonds and Palmerieo hell be the only 500 guy not in.

I do believe 500 and Clean = 100% HOF Lock. Add in the WS stuff and Playoff Numbers it only bolsters his odds.


Also, to those saying 32 and only 300. He played 1/3 of a season because of Covid, and Lost an entire season to injury. If those 2 never happened, do you still #@#@#@#@ on him if the number was finished his age 32 season at 350 home runs?

My Push is simply on staying healthy and around for 500. He hasn't passed Adam Dunn on my HOF Chart yet, you never know how a career turns out. But for a dude who hit 46/47/38 and on pace for like 50 this year. If he finishes at 42 this year, hes as 326 at age 32. If he goes Age 33-35HR, Age 34-29HR, Age 35- 25HRs thats a horrible trajectory but hes still 35 years old with 415.

Or he keeps his Pace, hits 48 this year, and 42 each of the next 2 years hes 34 years old with 420. To say he cant hit 80 in 6 years is just hating on a dude playing till 40.

He’s steadily building a case for HOF, really needs to be a major cog on a WS champion in the next 2-3 years for a big boost.

[atk825]

He’s building about as good a case for the Hall as Eugenio Suarez.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Soxrule111

I know your one of the old school guys here, but do you really believe is Schwarber gets to say 511 Home Runs he doesnt make it in? Other than PED Bonds and Palmerieo hell be the only 500 guy not in.

I do believe 500 and Clean = 100% HOF Lock. Add in the WS stuff and Playoff Numbers it only bolsters his odds.


Also, to those saying 32 and only 300. He played 1/3 of a season because of Covid, and Lost an entire season to injury. If those 2 never happened, do you still #@#@#@#@ on him if the number was finished his age 32 season at 350 home runs?

My Push is simply on staying healthy and around for 500. He hasn't passed Adam Dunn on my HOF Chart yet, you never know how a career turns out. But for a dude who hit 46/47/38 and on pace for like 50 this year. If he finishes at 42 this year, hes as 326 at age 32. If he goes Age 33-35HR, Age 34-29HR, Age 35- 25HRs thats a horrible trajectory but hes still 35 years old with 415.

Or he keeps his Pace, hits 48 this year, and 42 each of the next 2 years hes 34 years old with 420. To say he cant hit 80 in 6 years is just hating on a dude playing till 40.

Are you saying the only reason he is a HOF is he hits a lot of HR?


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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

He’s steadily building a case for HOF, really needs to be a major cog on a WS champion in the next 2-3 years for a big boost.

Has there ever been a player who wasn't a top 30 player for a single season in the HOF?

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

He’s steadily building a case for HOF, really needs to be a major cog on a WS champion in the next 2-3 years for a big boost.

Nah, he's building a case for challenging the old "500 home runs makes you a lock for the Hall" mantra.

[BigL7370]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Nah, he's building a case for challenging the old "500 home runs makes you a lock for the Hall" mantra.

I think it is possible where Schwarber is a 500 home run guy and probably not make the Hall, but I feel like media likes him as an old school slugger and has some postseason narrative, where he ends up more than a one and done ballot guy.

[green4407]

Schwarbomb #30

[HeritageKing]

Is there anything this guy can’t do?

[Cardsareus84]

Yup!

[JoshMN]

The legend continues!

[boxbuster7]

lol...

[speedyjg13]

Add this to the resume!!!

[JWBlue]

What he did tonight certainly helps. Epic moment.

[jhssketchcards]

Ya’ll really cheering BP HRs in an All-Star game… man baseball is doomed


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[base set]

‘member when he was a Catcher?

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[LCM1223]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Ya’ll really cheering BP HRs in an All-Star game… man baseball is doomed


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they're not actually serious lmao

It's all in jest

(unless I myself am missing the sarcasm in your comment, of which I apologize)