First Buzz: 2025 Topps Chrome baseball cards

[livfreely]

15 more days until I pull the Wood superfractor


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[premium1981]

Originally Posted by livfreely

15 more days until I pull the Wood superfractor

Good luck with your Wood!

[StankyFire]

Originally Posted by Jahape1

The Chrome Fanatics Mega Box Exclusives are available through the mobile app for $80.00. The odds weren’t good when I had them priced at the same as standard Megas but at $15 more they are really rough. No refractors or prisms in these either. I would avoid unless you like better odds on Raywave Parallels or the Fanatical Inserts. They also have the exclusive signed memorabilia and the Topps unnumbered parallel but don’t justify the increase in my opinion. Just a heads up in case you opening any wax of this release.

Was interested in these but $80
A box seems expensive??? For what?!


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[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by StankyFire

Was interested in these but $80
A box seems expensive??? For what?!


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What's going to happen is: they're going to sell these to breakers, and people will be dumb enough to buy in.

I just looked at the checklist for Chrome, and I'm regretting my purchase of 2 hobby boxes. I just saw that the rookie auto checklist is....166 strong. That is INSANE...at the prices that they're charging, complete robbery. Auto checklist was just 76 rookies in 2019. Yet, they reduced the number of autos in a jumbo and jacked up the prices. I will not be buying more than what I purchased. It used to be: you buy chrome and hope for that lottery ticket. But, it's now like you make a car payment and best hope is that you can get a gallon of gas for free. The odds would be: 1 James Wood auto in 14 hobby cases or 7 jumbo cases if you don't get any insert autos. That's INSANE and considering how much breakers will charge for that Nationals spot???

If you want anything, just buy singles. Looking at the checklist odds, if you're chasing a particular player, just buy singles from people who are looking to recoup money they lost in breaks. Trust me, your bank account and your relationship with your wife will thank me later. lol.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Auto checklist was just 76 rookies in 2019.

I get the horrible value argument. You are 100% right. But man, the people making comparisons to anything in 2019 just need to stop it. Nothing is the same. At all. The company is different, the buyers are different, the breakers are different, the economy is different, the entire world is different. Its the whole apples to oranges argument. Taking a bite of an apple and saying it isn't nearly as good as the orange you had a few years ago. Its just a waste of digital computer ink and means nothing. Buy 2019 if that is what you liked. Nothing in 2025 is going to compare.

EDIT - I'll add that anyone opening cards in 2025 and is "looking for value" is most likely not going to find it anywhere. They even took the value away from base flagship products. Either open for fun, expecting nothing or buy singles. You are going to be disappointed with almost any other mindset. Or if you want a specific team or player find one of those evil breakers and target specific things with smaller buy ins to ripping yourself. 2025 Topps Chrome is going to get expensive and most people will lose 80% of the money they spend if ripping it themselves. Hence the reason breaking has reached higher heights than anyone ever expected.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I get the horrible value argument. You are 100% right. But man, the people making comparisons to anything in 2019 just need to stop it. Nothing is the same. At all. The company is different, the buyers are different, the breakers are different, the economy is different, the entire world is different. Its the whole apples to oranges argument. Taking a bite of an apple and saying it isn't nearly as good as the orange you had a few years ago. Its just a waste of digital computer ink and means nothing. Buy 2019 if that is what you liked. Nothing in 2025 is going to compare.

EDIT - I'll add that anyone opening cards in 2025 and is "looking for value" is most likely not going to find it anywhere. They even took the value away from base flagship products. Either open for fun, expecting nothing or buy singles. You are going to be disappointed with almost any other mindset. Or if you want a specific team or player find one of those evil breakers and target specific things with smaller buy ins to ripping yourself. 2025 Topps Chrome is going to get expensive and most people will lose 80% of the money they spend if ripping it themselves. Hence the reason breaking has reached higher heights than anyone ever expected.

The bolded needs to be stickied.

The amount of people complaining about Flagship, Heritage, (I'm sure) Chrome after opening in 2025 is insane.

If you're going to buy a box, understand what you're buying and understand the odds of you hitting anything worthwhile.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I get the horrible value argument. You are 100% right. But man, the people making comparisons to anything in 2019 just need to stop it. Nothing is the same. At all. The company is different, the buyers are different, the breakers are different, the economy is different, the entire world is different. Its the whole apples to oranges argument. Taking a bite of an apple and saying it isn't nearly as good as the orange you had a few years ago. Its just a waste of digital computer ink and means nothing. Buy 2019 if that is what you liked. Nothing in 2025 is going to compare.

EDIT - I'll add that anyone opening cards in 2025 and is "looking for value" is most likely not going to find it anywhere. They even took the value away from base flagship products. Either open for fun, expecting nothing or buy singles. You are going to be disappointed with almost any other mindset. Or if you want a specific team or player find one of those evil breakers and target specific things with smaller buy ins to ripping yourself. 2025 Topps Chrome is going to get expensive and most people will lose 80% of the money they spend if ripping it themselves. Hence the reason breaking has reached higher heights than anyone ever expected.

Whether opening yourself OR getting into breaks, you are going to lose at least 80% of your money.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

What's going to happen is: they're going to sell these to breakers, and people will be dumb enough to buy in.

I just looked at the checklist for Chrome, and I'm regretting my purchase of 2 hobby boxes. I just saw that the rookie auto checklist is....166 strong. That is INSANE...at the prices that they're charging, complete robbery. Auto checklist was just 76 rookies in 2019. Yet, they reduced the number of autos in a jumbo and jacked up the prices. I will not be buying more than what I purchased. It used to be: you buy chrome and hope for that lottery ticket. But, it's now like you make a car payment and best hope is that you can get a gallon of gas for free. The odds would be: 1 James Wood auto in 14 hobby cases or 7 jumbo cases if you don't get any insert autos. That's INSANE and considering how much breakers will charge for that Nationals spot???

If you want anything, just buy singles. Looking at the checklist odds, if you're chasing a particular player, just buy singles from people who are looking to recoup money they lost in breaks. Trust me, your bank account and your relationship with your wife will thank me later. lol.

No person easier to buy singles off of than a desperate degenerate gambler!

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I get the horrible value argument. You are 100% right. But man, the people making comparisons to anything in 2019 just need to stop it. Nothing is the same. At all. The company is different, the buyers are different, the breakers are different, the economy is different, the entire world is different. Its the whole apples to oranges argument. Taking a bite of an apple and saying it isn't nearly as good as the orange you had a few years ago. Its just a waste of digital computer ink and means nothing. Buy 2019 if that is what you liked. Nothing in 2025 is going to compare.

EDIT - I'll add that anyone opening cards in 2025 and is "looking for value" is most likely not going to find it anywhere. They even took the value away from base flagship products. Either open for fun, expecting nothing or buy singles. You are going to be disappointed with almost any other mindset. Or if you want a specific team or player find one of those evil breakers and target specific things with smaller buy ins to ripping yourself. 2025 Topps Chrome is going to get expensive and most people will lose 80% of the money they spend if ripping it themselves. Hence the reason breaking has reached higher heights than anyone ever expected.

This was the biggest contradiction and talking out of both sides I think I’ve ever read. In one paragraph, you say you can’t compare to prior years, then next paragraph you say you’re going to lose 80% of the money. “Either open or buy singles.” That was exactly my point. The value isn’t there compared to what it used to be for opening wax. For the people that open wax bc they used to have an actual chance of getting something good, don’t open now bc you won’t. The value isn’t there in recent products and the odds are so much lower even if you buy cases. Topps has watered this stuff down so much and jacked up prices it’s just not worth it to buy anything other than singles.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Whether opening yourself OR getting into breaks, you are going to lose at least 80% of your money.

Honestly, looking at the auto checklist, 80% is being generous. There will be boxes without a Wood, Sasaki, Mayo or Wilson base card. They will have relief pitcher autos who pitched 1 inning in majors and refractors of some 10th year veteran platoon player. I have to admit I’ve personally bought much less product this year than past. I used to love opening with my kid. That was when base checklist was smaller and auto checklist was reasonable. Now? It’s not really fun. Last year in 3 boxes, I got like a pink or purple sparkle of some relief pitcher and some no name base autos. I’ve had better luck with sapphire as crazy as that sounds. At least better names in the auto checklists and something low numbered.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

What's going to happen is: they're going to sell these to breakers, and people will be dumb enough to buy in.

I just looked at the checklist for Chrome, and I'm regretting my purchase of 2 hobby boxes. I just saw that the rookie auto checklist is....166 strong. That is INSANE...at the prices that they're charging, complete robbery. Auto checklist was just 76 rookies in 2019. Yet, they reduced the number of autos in a jumbo and jacked up the prices. I will not be buying more than what I purchased. It used to be: you buy chrome and hope for that lottery ticket. But, it's now like you make a car payment and best hope is that you can get a gallon of gas for free. The odds would be: 1 James Wood auto in 14 hobby cases or 7 jumbo cases if you don't get any insert autos. That's INSANE and considering how much breakers will charge for that Nationals spot???

If you want anything, just buy singles. Looking at the checklist odds, if you're chasing a particular player, just buy singles from people who are looking to recoup money they lost in breaks. Trust me, your bank account and your relationship with your wife will thank me later. lol.

How else am I going to get the Ohtani gold MLB patch auto


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[DRey226]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

This was the biggest contradiction and talking out of both sides I think I’ve ever read. In one paragraph, you say you can’t compare to prior years, then next paragraph you say you’re going to lose 80% of the money. “Either open or buy singles.” That was exactly my point. The value isn’t there compared to what it used to be for opening wax. For the people that open wax bc they used to have an actual chance of getting something good, don’t open now bc you won’t. The value isn’t there in recent products and the odds are so much lower even if you buy cases. Topps has watered this stuff down so much and jacked up prices it’s just not worth it to buy anything other than singles.

Did you miss the part where Premium he was agreeing with you? Even went as far as to say you are 100% right. So defensive.

If you don't understand the point he is making about comparing 2019 to 2025 then let me elaborate. If Topps printed 2025 Chrome with the same print run and odds as 2019 Chrome, boxes/singles would be 3-4x what they are currently on secondary market and supply direct from Topps would far more limited. Topps doesn't do every right, but they are trying to solve for a Hobby with drastically more demand than 6 years ago. They are fairly transparent about the checklist and odds. It's up to each hobbyist how to proceed with that information.

[MrPostman]

I am confused as to how anyone thought it would be a good idea to leave Elly and PCA off the base checklist, even if they arent your guys, those refractors and parallels wouldve added alot of value to this product at zero cost to fanatics.

[Americards]

Originally Posted by DRey226

Did you miss the part where Premium he was agreeing with you? Even went as far as to say you are 100% right. So defensive.

If you don't understand the point he is making about comparing 2019 to 2025 then let me elaborate. If Topps printed 2025 Chrome with the same print run and odds as 2019 Chrome, boxes/singles would be 3-4x what they are currently on secondary market and supply direct from Topps would far more limited. Topps doesn't do every right, but they are trying to solve for a Hobby with drastically more demand than 6 years ago. They are fairly transparent about the checklist and odds. It's up to each hobbyist how to proceed with that information.

the demand is for more gamblers, not clectors.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by MrPostman

I am confused as to how anyone thought it would be a good idea to leave Elly and PCA off the base checklist, even if they arent your guys, those refractors and parallels wouldve added alot of value to this product at zero cost to fanatics.

How much value does a second year card really bring?

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by MrPostman

I am confused as to how anyone thought it would be a good idea to leave Elly and PCA off the base checklist, even if they arent your guys, those refractors and parallels wouldve added alot of value to this product at zero cost to fanatics.

And Cal Raleigh

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Americards

the demand is for more gamblers, not clectors.

This is inaccurate. It's both. Deny it if you want, but the hobby has grown significantly on all fronts. There are more people participating now than ever. More collectors, more investors, more everything.

[RetailChamp]

I don't do much modern, but as a Jays fan, figured I would scope the checklist. Here are the rookies for Toronto:

Adam Kloffenstein (Base and Auto)
Currenty in AAA, was a 3rd round pick of the Jays in 2018, was traded to STL in the Jordan Hicks deal in 2023, threw one inning for the Cardinals in 2024, waived, signed as a free agent by TOR this offseason, has never appeared in an MLB game for the Jays

Orelvis Martinez (Base and Auto)(and Youthquake, Rookie Rush inserts)
Currently in AAA, big buzz international signing before COVID, debuted in 2024 playing in one total game for the Jays

Will Wagner (Base and Auto)
MLB roster, came over in the Kikuchi trade last year, showed promise in 2024, has been hurt this year and is only hitting .195 in 77 AB

Steward Berroa (Base and Auto)
DFA by the Jays in May, played in Dodgers farm for 6 weeks, DFA by Dodgers July 3, signed as IFA in 2016 (!), hit .189 in 37 at bats across 28 games for TOR in 2024

Jake Bloss (Base and Auto)
Currently injured in AAA, came over in the Kikuchi deal with HOU, has never pitched in a game for TOR, 6.94 ERA in 11 innings for HOU in 2024

Leo Jimenez (Base and Auto)(and Youthquake insert? lololol)
MLB roster, appeared in 63 games in 2024 and has 10 at bats in 2025, 32% career strikeout percentage

Brandon Eisert (Auto only)
Currently White Sox MLB roster, appeared in three games for TOR with 6.2 IP in 2024, was cut by TOR on January 20, 2025

Luis de los Santos (Auto only)
Currently Mets AAA, appeared in 13 games with a .172 average for TOR in 2024, was released by TOR in November of 2024

Anyone who buys this crap is a moron lol

Also sidenote, Addison Barger, who is an absolute stud, never got a Bowman card and does not have a Topps auto aside from his Update Debut patch 1/1. Fanatics sucks

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This is inaccurate. It's both. Deny it if you want, but the hobby has grown significantly on all fronts. There are more people participating now than ever. More collectors, more investors, more everything.

The demand to open wax is more from gamblers, and there are more collectors buying singles.

I don’t see more collectors opening the hobby wax.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This is inaccurate. It's both. Deny it if you want, but the hobby has grown significantly on all fronts. There are more people participating now than ever. More collectors, more investors, more everything.

The only thing that hasn’t grown is the odds you’ll get equal value for what you buy out of box or break. 🤣. I’d love to see what Topps sees. With them controlling fanatics live, they can track how much each person spends, how many people buy., how often people buy, etc. it’s no wonder they try and force breakers to use that platform.

[DRey226]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

The only thing that hasn’t grown is the odds you’ll get equal value for what you buy out of box or break. 🤣. I’d love to see what Topps sees. With them controlling fanatics live, they can track how much each person spends, how many people buy., how often people buy, etc. it’s no wonder they try and force breakers to use that platform.

Your gripe seems to be the value coming out of every rip is less than it use to be. No argument there. 2025 rookie class isn't helping either.

But genuinely curious if you have a solution given the current demand and growth of the hobby? Maybe there is an elegant solution out there?

[MrPostman]

Originally Posted by bub838

How much value does a second year card really bring?

More than any of the players that you would remove from the checklist to add Elly/PCA...unless you believe they are the 301st/302nd best players in baseball...

[PoPCulture]

Originally Posted by bub838

How much value does a second year card really bring?

With the MVP buyback there is a lot of lost potential value. The checklist is missing the 2 players with the 2nd highest MVP odds in either league at the mid season point.

[Americards]

Originally Posted by bub838

How much value does a second year card really bring?

I know a 2nd year card that is worth much more than the 1st year card..
IYKYK

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Whether opening yourself OR getting into breaks, you are going to lose at least 80% of your money.

Your hatred towards breakers blinds you to where someone can actually benefit. Yes, you will almost always lost a huge percentage of your money. But the point I was trying to make is (using the 80% loss number) if you collect the Braves for example:

You can buy a $300 box looking for Braves and lose $240 in that 80% equation.
Or you can buy a $25 spot in a break looking for Braves and lose $20 with the same percentage loss.

If a person is solely looking for a specific team that is the way to go if they don't want to purchase singles. That is a part of why breaking is so popular. You can eliminate the losses on cards you care nothing about and dial it down to losses on only what you care about. Getting $5 worth of Braves cards in a $25 break isn't the end of the world. Getting $5 worth of Braves cards in a $300 box and trying to sell the other $55 worth of sucky cards you don't care about is way worse. Its the same 80% loss either way.

But you are too blinded by your own hatred towards breakers that you can't see when there are times people might actually enjoy using them.