Gunnar Henderson

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Oriole Way

I disagree strongly there. The "sexiness" factor is what gives Gunnar more upside than a lot of other players 1-3 years into their MLB careers. And there aren't many players that are in Gunnar's WAR tier to begin with. It's really only guys (25 years and younger) like Gunnar, Witt, Carroll, Elly, JRod, PCA, Wood who play premium defensive positions with 30+ home run power that can accumulate 5-10 WAR a season.

Gunnar has a lot of power, he's fast, and he plays the game hard. Good-looking kid too. He's not very extroverted or talkative, but that's not going to hurt how people perceive him as a player.

But the sexiness thing is one of the reasons to like him. For me, Gunnar, Bobby, and Elly are the future faces of baseball after Ohtani and Judge slow down. Gunnar might wind up being #3 of that group of shortstops, but all 3 are electric players. They ARE sexy.

Maybe he is a bit more camera shy than the other stars. Either MLB isn’t promoting him enough or he simply wants to stay away from the camera.

Perhaps his wife needs to increase her social media presence, lol!

[Oriole Way]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Plus if you bake into his prices the very real possibility he eventually become a future Yankee or Dodger (since the Orioles simply refuse to hand out multi-year contracts to anyone not named Tyler O'Neil lol), that makes his current prices even more reasonable.

Agreed.

[jhssketchcards]

If Blowout was a thing in 1956…

“This guy Aaron is a bust. He is no where near good enough. He has no pop, been in the league now for 3 years. Yeah, he led the league in hits and AVG, but he doesn’t walk a lot, and his OPS is under 1.000. Time to move on from this kid He’s no Mantle or Mays.
(During 1957 season)
“Wow! This kid is legit! He has serious power and is driving runs in like a machine! Just picked a box of 1954 Topps wax up today at Woolworths… not sure if $2 is high but not a bad investment. I guess I shouldn’t have used his RCs on my bicycle spokes.
Still though, sad he doesn’t have a 1st Bowman like Mantle or Mays. He will never be hobby good playing in Milwaukee. Besides, Eddie Matthews is way better.”
(After 1958)
“What is going on with Aaron???” Where did his power go? Kid’s a bum. So glad I picked some Banks RCs at trade night the other night. Book it, Ernie will break Ruth’s all-time HR record. He is the far better long term play.”

People act like if a guy doesn’t absolutely mash year in and year out, he isn’t a superstar or collectable. Many say “collecting” isn’t about money, yet it seems like the majority care more about money that is made or lost than ever before on this “hobby”.

This guy has been in the league for not even 3 full seasons. Jeez.


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[DRey226]

Originally Posted by Oriole Way

I disagree strongly there. The "sexiness" factor is what gives Gunnar more upside than a lot of other players 1-3 years into their MLB careers. And there aren't many players that are in Gunnar's WAR tier to begin with. It's really only guys (25 years and younger) like Gunnar, Witt, Carroll, Elly, JRod, PCA, Wood who play premium defensive positions with 30+ home run power that can accumulate 5-10 WAR a season.

Gunnar has a lot of power, he's fast, and he plays the game hard. Good-looking kid too. He's not very extroverted or talkative, but that's not going to hurt how people perceive him as a player.

But the sexiness thing is one of the reasons to like him. For me, Gunnar, Bobby, and Elly are the future faces of baseball after Ohtani and Judge slow down. Gunnar might wind up being #3 of that group of shortstops, but all 3 are electric players. They ARE sexy.

I thought Gunnar was pretty quick witted with the guys on Pardon My Take last summer. Was able to riff with them pretty well. Same goes for in game interview during Sunday Night Baseball last year. Maybe just needs a mic in front of him more.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

If Blowout was a thing in 1956…

“This guy Aaron is a bust. He is no where near good enough. He has no pop, been in the league now for 3 years. Yeah, he led the league in hits and AVG, but he doesn’t walk a lot, and his OPS is under 1.000. Time to move on from this kid He’s no Mantle or Mays.
(During 1957 season)
“Wow! This kid is legit! He has serious power and is driving runs in like a machine! Just picked a box of 1954 Topps wax up today at Woolworths… not sure if $2 is high but not a bad investment. I guess I shouldn’t have used his RCs on my bicycle spokes.
Still though, sad he doesn’t have a 1st Bowman like Mantle or Mays. He will never be hobby good playing in Milwaukee. Besides, Eddie Matthews is way better.”
(After 1958)
“What is going on with Aaron???” Where did his power go? Kid’s a bum. So glad I picked some Banks RCs at trade night the other night. Book it, Ernie will break Ruth’s all-time HR record. He is the far better long term play.”

People act like if a guy doesn’t absolutely mash year in and year out, he isn’t a superstar or collectable. Many say “collecting” isn’t about money, yet it seems like the majority care more about money that is made or lost than ever before on this “hobby”.

This guy has been in the league for not even 3 full seasons. Jeez.


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Pretty much everyone who uses terms like "hobby good" and talks about how a 24 year old star just isn't great enough to be a hobby darling, are people who know nothing about the hobby and/or have only been around for a few years. They can only comprehend the here and now in the hobby. They are incapable of grasping how in the long run, we look back at an entire career, and the down years become irrelevant.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Pretty much everyone who uses terms like "hobby good" and talks about how a 24 year old star just isn't great enough to be a hobby darling, are people who know nothing about the hobby and/or have only been around for a few years. They can only comprehend the here and now in the hobby. They are incapable of grasping how in the long run, we look back at an entire career, and the down years become irrelevant.

How old was Judge when he became a “hobby darling”?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

From the hobby perspective, nobody at shows asks for his cards and prices are down from his hobby run last season.

A case of unrealistic expectations?

He's not a rookie anymore.....everyone has moved on to this year's "hot" rookies....

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

If Blowout was a thing in 1956…

“This guy Aaron is a bust. He is no where near good enough. He has no pop, been in the league now for 3 years. Yeah, he led the league in hits and AVG, but he doesn’t walk a lot, and his OPS is under 1.000. Time to move on from this kid He’s no Mantle or Mays.
(During 1957 season)
“Wow! This kid is legit! He has serious power and is driving runs in like a machine! Just picked a box of 1954 Topps wax up today at Woolworths… not sure if $2 is high but not a bad investment. I guess I shouldn’t have used his RCs on my bicycle spokes.
Still though, sad he doesn’t have a 1st Bowman like Mantle or Mays. He will never be hobby good playing in Milwaukee. Besides, Eddie Matthews is way better.”
(After 1958)
“What is going on with Aaron???” Where did his power go? Kid’s a bum. So glad I picked some Banks RCs at trade night the other night. Book it, Ernie will break Ruth’s all-time HR record. He is the far better long term play.”

People act like if a guy doesn’t absolutely mash year in and year out, he isn’t a superstar or collectable. Many say “collecting” isn’t about money, yet it seems like the majority care more about money that is made or lost than ever before on this “hobby”.

This guy has been in the league for not even 3 full seasons. Jeez.


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That's awesome

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

From the hobby perspective, nobody at shows asks for his cards and prices are down from his hobby run last season.

A case of unrealistic expectations?

The orioles kind of choked the last couple post seasons as well

But Gunnar just turned 24

still very very young

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

He’s still way overpriced in my opinion. It’s not particularly fun to collect him because his on-field production doesn’t seem to line up with what sellers are asking for. A lot of it based on how much WAR he’s accrued for someone who just turned 24, which is true, but again, not compelling.

I will forever use the Bobby & Gunnar comparison; if Gunnar is overpriced then my comparison of Bobby levels is stratospheric.
Current numbers:
Bobby = 334ab: 11HR, .284Avg & 3.9 WAR
Gunnar = 296ab: 10HR, .277Avg & 2.4 WAR
Advantage Witt for now, mainly in WAR. I don’t really care about SBs.

Without looking I’m willing to bet Bobby prices are a 2x of Gunnar.

For good measure I lump Julio in the same debate = 345ab: 11HR, .258Avg & 3.7 WAR

My conclusion, Gunnar may be overpriced but right now I think the opinion/prices on Witt are semi-silly and I like & root for the kid, except for tonight against the Ms.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

I will forever use the Bobby & Gunnar comparison; if Gunnar is overpriced then my comparison of Bobby levels is stratospheric.
Current numbers:
Bobby = 334ab: 11HR, .284Avg & 3.9 WAR
Gunnar = 296ab: 10HR, .277Avg & 2.4 WAR
Advantage Witt for now, mainly in WAR. I don’t really care about SBs.

Without looking I’m willing to bet Bobby prices are a 2x of Gunnar.

For good measure I lump Julio in the same debate = 345ab: 11HR, .258Avg & 3.7 WAR

My conclusion, Gunnar may be overpriced but right now I think the opinion/prices on Witt are semi-silly and I like & root for the kid, except for tonight against the Ms.

I seem to be in the minority. Most people seem to think that Gunnar is underpriced and a huge value right now. That means either those people are piling up the Gunnar cards for their PC…

or they are trying their hardest to sell their Gunnar cards

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

I will forever use the Bobby & Gunnar comparison; if Gunnar is overpriced then my comparison of Bobby levels is stratospheric.
Current numbers:
Bobby = 334ab: 11HR, .284Avg & 3.9 WAR
Gunnar = 296ab: 10HR, .277Avg & 2.4 WAR
Advantage Witt for now, mainly in WAR. I don’t really care about SBs.

Without looking I’m willing to bet Bobby prices are a 2x of Gunnar.

For good measure I lump Julio in the same debate = 345ab: 11HR, .258Avg & 3.7 WAR

My conclusion, Gunnar may be overpriced but right now I think the opinion/prices on Witt are semi-silly and I like & root for the kid, except for tonight against the Ms.

I think it is safe to say that hobby witt is having a underwhelming season

Although 3.9 war isn't bad and I am kind of surprised it is that high

As for Gunnar he started slow and I believe was injured...

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I think it is safe to say that hobby witt is having a underwhelming season



Although 3.9 war isn't bad and I am kind of surprised it is that high



As for Gunnar he started slow and I believe was injured...

Fully half of Bobby's current 4 WAR is garnered from his stellar defense. If he was tracking like last year offensively he'd probably be at 6+.

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[ThoseBackPages]

i think Gunnar will be fine. he has other players on his team that could take hobby bucks from him though, so time will tell

[Skipscards]

We’re just in another era of great young shortstops. Similar to the early 90s with Nomar, Jeter, and ARod; only there are more. Plenty of room for everyone…Witt, Gunnar, Elly, Boba, Correa, etc. And don’t sleep on CJ, he’s having a potential breakout season. Imagine if Wander hadn’t been a creep.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

We’re just in another era of great young shortstops. Similar to the early 90s with Nomar, Jeter, and ARod; only there are more. Plenty of room for everyone…Witt, Gunnar, Elly, Boba, Correa, etc. And don’t sleep on CJ, he’s having a potential breakout season. Imagine if Wander hadn’t been a creep.

i agree there are lots of them, but i dont agree that there is hobby room for them all

it does make for fun collecting though!

[mfw13]

The problem for any hot young player is that there are always more hot young players waiting to steal the hobby spotlight away from you the minute you slow down. So that only way to keep the spotlight on you is to consistently perform at a high level so that you move from the "hot prospect" conversation into the "future HOFer" conversation, as Judge, Soto, and Acuna have largely done.

Henderson is one of a whole bunch of good young players who are still in the "hot prospect" group, but who have not been consistently good enough to move into the "future HOFer" group.....Alonso, Vlad Jr., Tatis Jr., JRod, Witt, Elly, Carroll, Merrill, etc, with Skenes, PCA, and James Wood now on the scene, along with the highly hyped Japanese guys like Yamamoto and Sasaki.

So with Gunnar only at a 126 OPS+/ 2.4 WAR this year (as compared to 157 OPS+/9.1 WAR last year), the hobby is losing interest in him.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Gunny’s on a bad team. Tough to be hobby relevant.

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Gunny’s on a bad team. Tough to be hobby relevant.

Hobby relevant?
I lost out at $700 bid on an orange auto redemption. Not even the card yet, redemption.
Sale price = $1200

I’d say he’s “hobby relevant”

“Bad” team and hobby relevant are not mutually exclusive. A year ago Skenes the most hobby relevant dude.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Gunny’s on a bad team. Tough to be hobby relevant.

This isn't basketball. Being on a bad team seldom prevents hobby relevancy for the true top-flight talent. Skenes and Witt were the two hottest non-Ohtani players this offseason, and both play for small-market teams that aren't successful.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

Hobby relevant?
I lost out at $700 bid on an orange auto redemption. Not even the card yet, redemption.
Sale price = $1200

I’d say he’s “hobby relevant”

“Bad” team and hobby relevant are not mutually exclusive. A year ago Skenes the most hobby relevant dude.

Yeah, it’s weird, people’s opinions on him here all over the place… but his cards still sell for a lot of money.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Gunny’s on a bad team. Tough to be hobby relevant.

I'm not even an Orioles fan and wonder how wrong you don't realize you are.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Gunny’s on a bad team. Tough to be hobby relevant.

He’s on an up and coming team not a bad team. And we are on a “hobby” forum in a hobby thread where “Gunny” has his own showcase. He is not hobby irrelevant


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[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by jduds

This isn't basketball. Being on a bad team seldom prevents hobby relevancy for the true top-flight talent. Skenes and Witt were the two hottest non-Ohtani players this offseason, and both play for small-market teams that aren't successful.