📈Is the correction over? What cards look attractive with an upside potential?📈

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Bol Bol you could like punch yourself in the eye and maybe see how he could be a hobby hit but THT was probably the dumbest hype of all time.

There's an 11 page thread about a guy who's averaged 9ppg over his career. Mind blowing

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1430641

Just like the meme stock era.

Everyone was stupid then.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

This is just so out of touch.

Not everyone is a multi millionaire who can just throw five figures at any card when there’s an opportunity to potentially sell it in the future.

You don't need to be a multi-millionaire to spend $10k on a card you know you can sell immediately for me. I'll give you an example:

I got lucky one day and bought a Prizm Black 1/1 (MLB Player) Black card for $500. Posted it on my instagram and got some immediate offers, but didn't want to sell.

About 6 months later a Prizm Black (UFC fighter) 1/1 of an athlete I collect popped up on eBay for $10k. I reached back out to a few of the people who inquired, and quickly worked out a deal to sell the Prizm Black 1/1 (MLB player) for $10k, which I then used to buy the Prizm Black 1/1 of the athlete I collected.

Fast forward about a year and a half: a Topps Chrome Superfractor of that same athlete got pulled, and I had the opportunity to buy it for $6k. To me, the TC Super was just as good as the Black 1/1, so I reached out to a guy who I know spends big money on Black Finite 1/1s of top stars and reached a deal for $35k cash + about\ $5k in trade.

I used $6k of that $35k cash to buy the TC Super, which left me with $29k cash, a TC Superfractor of one of my PC guys, and $5k in random cards to trade.

Nowhere in that story do you need to have millions of dollars behind you to be able to get this done. Just time, patience, a good eye for value, and be able to make the right connections to get this done.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Blazed

Another big consignment seller

This is why I stick to BIN's or COMC's eBay auctions

Almost every single high dollar card on consignment is shilled to set the stage for a record price lol

Yes, it's old news but now they don't even try to hide it

Yep

This is exactly why I stopped buying from auction houses and consignment firms a few years ago

Alot of these "sponsors" of these auction houses are looking for a payday as many of them own these cards being pumped and shilled by their good ol boys buddy buyers shill network to set higher comps for their own cards and push YouTube content to push the hype

Card is then "vetted" in card ladder

Talk about a conflict of interest and complete pyramid schem

With Fanatics being the main culprit

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Yep

This is exactly why I stopped buying from auction houses and consignment firms a few years ago

Alot of these "sponsors" of these auction houses are looking for a payday as many of them own these cards being pumped and shilled by their good ol boys buddy buyers shill network to set higher comps for their own cards and push YouTube content to push the hype

Card is then "vetted" in card ladder

Talk about a conflict of interest and complete pyramid schem

With Fanatics being the main culprit

It’s even worse when the auction company is the grading company as well.

Talk about conflict of interest when Beckett did their own auctions!

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Blazed

Threads like "what are you looking for at the National" aren't just being read by people who want to help collectors find cards, they're read by flippers too

Posts on IG saying "I need XXXXX to finish a set or looking for my PC player XXXX" make flipping easy - Turner is one of the biggest targets for flippers who know what cards he needs

Don't act like flipping is rocket science and requires expert analysis to do

Ding ding ding!

This is EXACTLY why I never posted any of my PC on IG

For any of you that want to know

I'm glad people now get it

This has been going on a long time

Too many snakes in this so called hobby looking for a side hustle because they don't want to get a real job

Great post

[WaiverWire]

Originally Posted by tjforce

That's not what I'm saying at all.

If you are good at this then there is no problem having $10k, $20k, $30k, or whatever you need to buy something when it comes up, sell that, and then have more than you started with.

If you can't come up with $10k of your own then you either aren't good at this or are just starting from scratch.

Where some people get into trouble is they read stuff like this, don’t have cash, and then put it on their credit card and the easy sale never arrives. But they still have to pay the interest on the credit card. I’m sure plenty of people in the BO community are skilled at using all cash and being patient for a profit. But for every person who does it right, there are probably a lot more that do it wrong.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

Where some people get into trouble is they read stuff like this, don’t have cash, and then put it on their credit card and the easy sale never arrives. But they still have to pay the interest on the credit card. I’m sure plenty of people in the BO community are skilled at using all cash and being patient for a profit. But for every person who does it right, there are probably a lot more that do it wrong.

I literally just saw on sportscardinvestor Instagram page that there's a "Collectors Card" credit card being released. First response was from Alt saying "W for the hobby!".

Yes, yes... financial illiteracy, debt and gambling are great. "The hobby" is now synonymous with "the cultcha". Celebrity worship, peak materialism, hedonism, fashion obsession, etc. They've turned collecting into a celebration of stupidity and degeneracy devoid of any innate value.

I sincerely hope that they all fail and it all collapses. But it probably won't because the main source of fuel is the aforementioned stupidity and hedonism and it is infinite in abundance.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by RKH916

I literally just saw on sportscardinvestor Instagram page that there's a "Collectors Card" credit card being released. First response was from Alt saying "W for the hobby!".

Yes, yes... financial illiteracy, debt and gambling are great. "The hobby" is now synonymous with "the cultcha". Celebrity worship, peak materialism, hedonism, fashion obsession, etc. They've turned collecting into a celebration of stupidity and degeneracy devoid of any innate value.

I sincerely hope that they all fail and it all collapses. But it probably won't because the main source of fuel is the aforementioned stupidity and hedonism and it is infinite in abundance.

How about a fanatics players card?

Where do we sign up?

[Chryghst]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Oftentimes through the aforementioned 'private sales that never happened' tactics.

Real eyez recognize real liez.

Wait you said a phlogistinator shipped for $200 in a private sale…

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

You don't need to be a multi-millionaire to spend $10k on a card you know you can sell immediately for me. I'll give you an example:

I got lucky one day and bought a Prizm Black 1/1 (MLB Player) Black card for $500. Posted it on my instagram and got some immediate offers, but didn't want to sell.

About 6 months later a Prizm Black (UFC fighter) 1/1 of an athlete I collect popped up on eBay for $10k. I reached back out to a few of the people who inquired, and quickly worked out a deal to sell the Prizm Black 1/1 (MLB player) for $10k, which I then used to buy the Prizm Black 1/1 of the athlete I collected.

Fast forward about a year and a half: a Topps Chrome Superfractor of that same athlete got pulled, and I had the opportunity to buy it for $6k. To me, the TC Super was just as good as the Black 1/1, so I reached out to a guy who I know spends big money on Black Finite 1/1s of top stars and reached a deal for $35k cash + about\ $5k in trade.

I used $6k of that $35k cash to buy the TC Super, which left me with $29k cash, a TC Superfractor of one of my PC guys, and $5k in random cards to trade.

Nowhere in that story do you need to have millions of dollars behind you to be able to get this done. Just time, patience, a good eye for value, and be able to make the right connections to get this done.

How many cards numbered to 10 or less can you sell for 20x in 6 months? The UFC card at least it's something more reasonable (still 4x in a year and a half) but the first one is something almost impossible to find.

Even doing your homework and using your knowledge, you have to be lucky to get those returns. I think people can go from spending 3 figures in cards to flip to spending 5 figures successfully but it's gonna take longer than that.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Poetic.



You're a modern day sports card Pac.

Temu Pac hologram for the RunGoodLife'rs is the type of ish that gets my ass up out the racecar bed @ exactly 11am every morning. Not a second later.

The grind don't stop.

Originally Posted by Chryghst

Wait you said a phlogistinator shipped for $200 in a private sale…

[PuddleMonkey]

[PuddleMonkey]

[PuddleMonkey]

Card market is just a giant scam.

[hermanotarjeta]

Just got to collect what the bros aren’t!

[jcardstore]

Why are people even posting shilled cards? We know. Most of the high end stuff is shilled, so what?

Buy something else

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Why are people even posting shilled cards? We know. Most of the high end stuff is shilled, so what?

Buy something else

It's not just high end

It's a reality check for all the pumping going on in this thread

One person pumping in here lists auctions with the bidders identity private and several cards have been relisted right after the sale - sub $200 stuff. Doesn't mean anything funny is going on, but walks quacks... something like that

[Nomad]

But it's so easy to identify the shilled and non-shilled as a human player collector.

Why isn't there an AI-driven app that identifies these? Just the other day Geoff and his crew were commenting that they take card ladder prices and cut them by 50 percent. And they market card ladder.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Ding ding ding!

This is EXACTLY why I never posted any of my PC on IG

For any of you that want to know

I'm glad people now get it

This has been going on a long time

Too many snakes in this so called hobby looking for a side hustle because they don't want to get a real job

Great post

I mean...kinda? If you don't want ppl to know what you're collecting, that's fine.

But there's nothing wrong with ppl saying "Please help. I'm looking for x or y." I think Nat needs like 1 or 2 PMG Greens for a complete set. Considering there are only 10 of each out there and he has the resources, he probably doesn't mind paying a finder's fee.

If someone finds a card you want and you can agree on a price, great for everyone involved. If the price is too high, you can just walk away as a buyer.

[Gem10collection]

Man, lol, ridiculous! The MAJORITY of high-end auctions are paid for! Especially items listed off eBay via the major consignment services.

If this thread insists on clutching defeat from the jaws of victory then so be it, but after a brutal bear market we are firmly in a new BULL market that has a lot of room to run.

Fellow collectors/investors enjoy! We are in for a fun ride

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

How many cards numbered to 10 or less can you sell for 20x in 6 months? The UFC card at least it's something more reasonable (still 4x in a year and a half) but the first one is something almost impossible to find.

Even doing your homework and using your knowledge, you have to be lucky to get those returns. I think people can go from spending 3 figures in cards to flip to spending 5 figures successfully but it's gonna take longer than that.

Not often, it was a combo of Luck + Good eBay saved searches + having connections through other collectors.

But ignore that and just focus on the UFC TC Super. I belong to UFC card forums on Facebook, and when a card shop in Australia posted that one of their customers hit it in a pack, I asked the shop owner if the seller is looking to sell, and if so, asked if he could connect me.

I got ahold of the guy and he wanted to hold on to it for a bit. 2 Months later he mentioned to me that he had a guy offer him $3k for it and wanted to see if I could do better. I immediately told him I'd pay him $6k if he shipped it to me that day. The guy was thrilled to make a whole lot on it, and I was pumped to turn an easy arbitrage situation in my favor.

That's the opportunity out there right now. It takes some expertise, some persistence, and a little luck... but those opportunities are still out there if you are looking.

[Nomad]

Honestly though, I don't know what shifts prices. I mean I wrote a 700 page novel, got an literary agent 11 years ago (harder than getting a job at Google), won some literary conference accolades, and still haven't gotten paid a cent for my creative writing.

The same applies to cards, although I am glad to see Nesmith himself will get paid. Not that I really feel for anyone making more than $70K a year.

I guess it's a sign. Live in poverty another year instead of selling for essentially what I paid. Trust the Pacers will again find a way to exceed expectations by 1,973 percent. Not gonna kill me.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Honestly though, I don't know what shifts prices. I mean I wrote a 700 page novel, got an literary agent 11 years ago (harder than getting a job at Google), won some literary conference accolades, and still haven't gotten paid a cent for my creative writing.

The same applies to cards, although I am glad to see Nesmith himself will get paid. Not that I really feel for anyone making more than $70K a year.

You saw firsthand what moved Nesmith's prices in the playoffs. Good play and exposure. Can Nesmith put up 30 points a game for the rest of his career? Yes? His prices will rise.

[Nomad]

The points bias should be so dead and gone in today's NBA. You want to back a Lillard, Harden, McGrady, or Barkley the rest of your life and be banking on what ifs, go for it. Great players all.

Did any player on the Pacers exceed 20 points per game this year, and was that by design?

Do I have to dredge up the 2022 interview just before the Pacers' IST run where Nesmith spoke about the then high scoring, no defense Indy squad? His words were something like, "Ty got his 40 points and as a result we lost." The template was set there and then, and I guess he was orchestrating, since no one else said it + the Pacers began their shift toward all-defense that very week.

Yeah, I'm a nerd, watched every game.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by Nomad

The points bias should be so dead and gone in today's NBA. You want to back a Lillard, Harden, McGrady, or Barkley the rest of your life and be banking on what ifs, go for it. Great players all.

Did any player on the Pacers exceed 20 points per game this year, and was that by design?

Do I have to dredge up the 2022 interview just before the Pacers' IST run where Nesmith spoke about the then high scoring, no defense Indy squad? His words were something like, "Ty got his 40 points and as a result we lost." The template was set there and then, and I guess he was orchestrating, since no one else said it + the Pacers began their shift toward all-defense that very week.

Yeah, I'm a nerd, watched every game.

Look at some highly valued players and then work your way back from there

Consider what they all have in common