Official Tom Brady RC Price Tracker

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Glad you split this up into two posts....

really helped us all digest the depth of your thoughts.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

wouldnt you say the last 20 or so years he played he was the opposite of "game manager?"

Of course not, but most people classify the him as a "game manager" for the first 1/4-1/3 of his career, until the big breakout in 2007.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Of course not, but most people classify the him as a "game manager" for the first 1/4-1/3 of his career, until the big breakout in 2007.

I guess three rings before 2007 wasn’t a breakout

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

I guess three rings before 2007 wasn’t a breakout

Don't be obtuse. The defense was the cornerstone of those 3 teams.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Don't be obtuse. The defense was the cornerstone of those 3 teams.

Very strange to be sort of anti brady and a Boston fan in a brady thread

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Very strange to be sort of anti brady and a Boston fan in a brady thread

I'm not anti-Brady. I'm a realist.

Barry Sanders stinks too, right?

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I'm not anti-Brady. I'm a realist.

Barry Sanders stinks too, right?

This thread keeps getting worse and worse lol

Nothing really new to talk about during the season since brady isn’t playing and whatever any qbs do it won’t matter

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

This thread keeps getting worse and worse lol

Nothing really new to talk about during the season since brady isn’t playing and whatever any qbs do it won’t matter

It started going downhill when you decided to post for the first time in 2 years.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

It started going downhill when you decided to post for the first time in 2 years.

I’m sure there were plenty of incredible posts the last two years by the same 6 people

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Of course not, but most people classify the him as a "game manager" for the first 1/4-1/3 of his career, until the big breakout in 2007.

that is the narrative spoken by some, but I remember it a little differently, and I have been following the team pretty closely since the 80s.

"game manager" that term always meant, to me, a QB that the coach was almost trying to hide in a way. often for a team with a great running game. A QB that the coach attempted to keep from losing the game instead of winning it, usually by keeping the pass attempts down in order to minimize mistakes. A Trent Dilfer type.

Brady was certainly that his first season. by 02, though, Belichick let Brady loose more and opened up the offense. By 07, all he needed was some big time weapons. check out his stats from 02-06:

he was top 10 every season in att, comp, yards, TD and Rating. he lead the league in both yards in a season and TD in a season both before 07. the numbers look smaller compared to todays video game stats, but in context, it was a very different game then. I remember, at the time, getting aggravated at the talking heads thinking I was not watching Jeff Hostettler or trent dilfer.

these are rankings a "game manager" would not have.

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

that is the narrative spoken by some, but I remember it a little differently, and I have been following the team pretty closely since the 80s.

"game manager" that term always meant, to me, a QB that the coach was almost trying to hide in a way. often for a team with a great running game. A QB that the coach attempted to keep from losing the game instead of winning it, usually by keeping the pass attempts down in order to minimize mistakes. A Trent Dilfer type.

Brady was certainly that his first season. by 02, though, Belichick let Brady loose more and opened up the offense. By 07, all he needed was some big time weapons. check out his stats from 02-06:

he was top 10 every season in att, comp, yards, TD and Rating. he lead the league in both yards in a season and TD in a season both before 07. the numbers look smaller compared to todays video game stats, but in context, it was a very different game then. I remember, at the time, getting aggravated at the talking heads thinking I was not watching Jeff Hostettler or trent dilfer.

these are rankings a "game manager" would not have.

Don’t even waste your time on that guy lol

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

that is the narrative spoken by some, but I remember it a little differently, and I have been following the team pretty closely since the 80s.

"game manager" that term always meant, to me, a QB that the coach was almost trying to hide in a way. often for a team with a great running game. A QB that the coach attempted to keep from losing the game instead of winning it, usually by keeping the pass attempts down in order to minimize mistakes. A Trent Dilfer type.

Brady was certainly that his first season. by 02, though, Belichick let Brady loose more and opened up the offense. By 07, all he needed was some big time weapons. check out his stats from 02-06:

he was top 10 every season in att, comp, yards, TD and Rating. he lead the league in both yards in a season and TD in a season both before 07. the numbers look smaller compared to todays video game stats, but in context, it was a very different game then. I remember, at the time, getting aggravated at the talking heads thinking I was not watching Jeff Hostettler or trent dilfer.

these are rankings a "game manager" would not have.

That's fair. You're probably right and my memory probably only remembers the "game manager" from the 2001 season...

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Don’t even waste your time on that guy lol

Hi, kettle!

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Hi, kettle!

Thinking Brady is a game manager, we’re definitely not alike

[6GOAT789]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

That's fair. You're probably right and my memory probably only remembers the "game manager" from the 2001 season...

Yikes, well you know he played after 2001 right?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Thinking Brady is a game manager, we’re definitely not alike

+1. Both things can be true:

1) The Patriots had great defenses those first 3 Super Bowls
2) Brady's role far surpassed that of "game manager"

In 2001, they were #6 in offensive scoring and #6 in defensive points allowed so I just can't see how anyone believes one unit carried the team to that championship.

2003 was probably the year the defense did their best work - and Brady led the League in TD passes so that definitely goes beyond "game manager".

[Jbead61]

So many different opinions in here but this forum is filled with card experts and fan boy time period flippers. I am older and come from a different era where we just collected our favorite player. I am in my 40’s and did not grow up with cell phones, internet or social media. No matter what people say, Patrick is not Brady and we will all see how he does in ten years but I would still have my money on Brady. Maybe I am a super fan but I loved Montana as a kid and Marino but Brady is on another super human level

[6GOAT789]

Isn’t it funny how Brady’s first year with the Bucs they win it all, and the Pats miss the playoffs. What exactly does Belichick do that’s so genius? Take away what the other team likes to do, is that not every coaches plan? Seems like it was all Brady as coaches can only do so much from the sideline. Obviously a coach is never going to want a penalty (unless intentional), or holding, or an interception, or a fumble, missed FG etc

Who has the worst offensive coaching staff in the nfl? Swap coaches with KC, wouldn’t you still rather have Mahomes with the worst coaches than Mahomes coaches with a lesser qb?

If you were the head coach of KC, or offensive coordinator etc, they wouldn’t go 0-17 lol.

Every teams first offensive play from scrimmage, the exact same run could be called. You’d see what, some 5 yard runs, 4, 3 or less. Then that distance effects second down from what was the same first play call

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Isn’t it funny how Brady’s first year with the Bucs they win it all, and the Pats miss the playoffs. What exactly does Belichick do that’s so genius?

Coaches get too much credit for the good and too much blame for the bad. Even the almighty Bill Belichick, the guy many people consider the greatest of all time, cannot succeed without good players. He went 4-13 his final year.

[daveyc1]

Players are always more important than coaching staff. It was always Brady. It is why the coach gets fired after a disappointing season and not the star player

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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

Players are always more important than coaching staff. It was always Brady. It is why the coach gets fired after a disappointing season and not the star player

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It's also much easier to fire a coach/GM than to "fire" a star player.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

It's also much easier to fire a coach/GM than to "fire" a star player.

true, but it is easier in the NFL with much less guaranteed money in the contracts.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

true, but it is easier in the NFL with much less guaranteed money in the contracts.

True.

[6GOAT789]

If you want a good laugh here you go. About 10 years ago I was lucky enough to have Curry sign a magazine cover I had. I sent it to PSA (I called them-first ever submission) and said I also had a picture of him signing it. They didn’t want the picture sent with it for some reason.

So I pay and wait two months, only for it to come back the other day and they didn’t feel it was authentic, official letter and everything. As far as critiquing the signature. Multiple reasons why they said it wasn’t real. I had a picture of him signing it! So frustrating. People near the rails at basketball games, along with athletes signing high and from far away if someone is holding something, so different pressure points etc, it’s obviously not always going to look the same.

Sign your own name 30 times in a row or however many, there will be noticeable differences. What’s the difference between a real one that looks a little different, and a really good fake? Wouldn’t be that hard to see someone’s auto and practice

Anyway, guess I’m out of luck. There’s also various Reddit forums of the same thing happing to others. It’s not like the player is going to be at a desk, concentrating to make sure his auto looks the exact same every time lol.

Since I have a picture, I’m going to send it to Beckett with the picture. Guess I’ll “risk” paying again lol. My first and last time with PSA

[mc1]

Originally Posted by 6GOAT789

Isn’t it funny how Brady’s first year with the Bucs they win it all, and the Pats miss the playoffs. What exactly does Belichick do that’s so genius? Take away what the other team likes to do, is that not every coaches plan? Seems like it was all Brady as coaches can only do so much from the sideline. Obviously a coach is never going to want a penalty (unless intentional), or holding, or an interception, or a fumble, missed FG etc

Who has the worst offensive coaching staff in the nfl? Swap coaches with KC, wouldn’t you still rather have Mahomes with the worst coaches than Mahomes coaches with a lesser qb?

If you were the head coach of KC, or offensive coordinator etc, they wouldn’t go 0-17 lol.

Every teams first offensive play from scrimmage, the exact same run could be called. You’d see what, some 5 yard runs, 4, 3 or less. Then that distance effects second down from what was the same first play call

Did it all by himself, huh?