Official 2025 NFC North Thread

[hairysasquatch]

Thought it was interesting that Ben Johnson threw shade at Goff. Really showing out for the mob in Chicago.

[Kent Clements]

]Meh. She is in love with me. Cant say I blame her. But when the insults are all poo and poop based, its super weak. 2nd graders throw harder stuff at me than that.

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[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Thought it was interesting that Ben Johnson threw shade at Goff. Really showing out for the mob in Chicago.

Is that how this stuff is being reported in Detroit? I mean, I get it. You all want a reason to hate on BJ. But he never mentioned Goff by name. And what he said, was not shade. It was truth.

Caleb Williams is mobile. Jared Goff is not. Williams makes plays outside the pocket, or “out-of-structure,” to use Johnson’s phrase. Goff does not.

That is not a slam on Goff. Brady, Manning and plenty of great QBs can sit in the pocket and pick apart teams. Which is what Goff was mostly doing the past few years.

If anyone think Goff is a creative wizard, rolling out of the pocket, evading sacks and creating plays off queue. They are fooling themselves. That's not his game.

[Siberian13]

The only thing Ben needs to focus on is fixing that Oline. Do that and you have a chance. Seems like he was just trying to make a joke

[Grid]

Things Ben Johnson has said, that Detroit fans don't like. Even though they are true.

"Wow, I have never seen a Lombardi Trophy in person before" "we didn't have one of those at my last job"

"What do you call these trophies?" Oh, the George Halas Trophy for winning the NFC" "we didn't have any of those either"

"So strange seeing all these stores, skyscrapers and parks" "It was mostly poverty, abandoned homes and decay at my last workplace".

"Caleb Williams is more mobile than Jarrod Goff"

[hairysasquatch]

Enjoy Ben. He's shown everyone who he is.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Enjoy Ben. He's shown everyone who he is.

One heck of an offensive coordinator. Now let’s see if he’s capable of being a head coach.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

One heck of an offensive coordinator. Now let’s see if he’s capable of being a head coach.

Also something of an ingrate and backstabber. But yeah, we'll see...

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

One heck of an offensive coordinator. Now let’s see if he’s capable of being a head coach.

Ben is in over his head. Rough division.
It's not smart to be talking trash when you are taking over the team that was dead last three years running.
A decent young QB unfortunately won't make up for inept overall roster and owner/GM system.

NFC North is pretty competitive.
Vrabel, Kellen Moore and others passed on that Bears job of dysfunction junction for sure.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Ben is in over his head. Rough division.
It's not smart to be talking trash when you are taking over the team that was dead last three years running.
A decent young QB unfortunately won't make up for inept overall roster and owner/GM system.

NFC North is pretty competitive.
Vrabel, Kellen Moore and others passed on that Bears job of dysfunction junction for sure.

Definitely could be as a lot of coordinators just don’t do well as the head coach. Think if they can fix the oline and run game then the offense will be solid. Not sure about the defense though. Have to figure out how to stop the run.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by slyguy

NFC North is pretty competitive.
Vrabel, Kellen Moore and others passed on that Bears job of dysfunction junction for sure.

Kellen Moore didnt even get an interview in Chicago. Hard for him to pass on a job, he wasnt even offered.

Vrabel did interview (like dozens of others). But everyone knew he wanted to go "home" to New England. But he wasnt offered the job either.

Everyone knows the Bears wanted Johnson (as did most every team with a HC opening), and now everyone knows that Johnson wanted the Bears.

To say these people, and others, passed on the job is laughable. But so is most everything you post.

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by Grid

The Bears will never amount to anything? They have 9 NFL Championships. How is that never amounting to anything? They have been to the top of the hill 9 times. 41 former Bears in the Hall of Fame. More than any other team. Never anything huh?

Bears fans still show up, because we have a dynasty team. There is a legacy to uphold. We are not fair weather fans. We have seen the good (1985) with the bad (3-13).

Would it be more respectable, if we didn't show up at all like Lions fans over the past 30 years, sans the last 3?

Not showing up sends a message to ownership to do better. The Bears are one of the oldest teams in football and most of that history you mentioned is from pre 90's. The last 3 decades have been abysmal. It's a place young players go to lose a career they could have had, and where old players go to get paid putting in minimal effort. They consistently have one of the worst offensive lines in football. Some of the worst coaching to ...I mean, Marc Trestman?! Come on...The team is a joke. And I say this as a Chicagoan. I'm not someone watching from "the outside". I hate this team so much, 20 years ago I started to follow their rivals, the Packers. Haven't looked back since. Not that the Packers are perfect but compared to the Bears...

Ben Johnson won't make it more than 3 years.
Caleb Williams career will be ruined.
They will not fix the OL.
All assistant coaches will be garbage.
Despite this all Bears fans will cockily exclaim THIS IS THEIR YEAR!!!!!

Rinse and repeat every season.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Ninotores

Not showing up sends a message to ownership to do better. The Bears are one of the oldest teams in football and most of that history you mentioned is from pre 90's. The last 3 decades have been abysmal. It's a place young players go to lose a career they could have had, and where old players go to get paid putting in minimal effort. They consistently have one of the worst offensive lines in football. Some of the worst coaching to ...I mean, Marc Trestman?! Come on...The team is a joke. And I say this as a Chicagoan. I'm not someone watching from "the outside". I hate this team so much, 20 years ago I started to follow their rivals, the Packers. Haven't looked back since. Not that the Packers are perfect but compared to the Bears...

Ben Johnson won't make it more than 3 years.
Caleb Williams career will be ruined.
They will not fix the OL.
All assistant coaches will be garbage.
Despite this all Bears fans will cockily exclaim THIS IS THEIR YEAR!!!!!

Rinse and repeat every season.

You quoted a post from me replying to someone who said "The Bears will never amount to anything". So I correctly listed all of the things the Bears amounted to. You cant discard 90 years of history. Just because the last 10 haven't been very good.

Lets fact check that for you.

"The last 3 decades have been abysmal"

Since 2000.
2001, won the division.
2005, won the division.
2006, won the division. Won the NFC Championship. Lost in the Super Bowl.
2010, won the division. Lost in the NFC Championship game
2018, won the division.
2020, 2nd place in the division. Lost in the playoffs.

For sure, the last few years have been bad. But "abysmal"? For decades? Nope.

"It's a place young players go to lose a career"

Over that same 25 year stretch. The Bears have sent 8 players to the Hall of Fame. 2 of them (Urlacher & Hester) retired in the past 10ish years.

Countless All Pros and Pro Bowlers over the past 25 years. Urlacher 8 Pro Bowls, Lance Briggs 7, Olin Kreutz 6, Kyle Long, Tommie Harris, Kyle Fuller, Eddie Jackson, Matt Forte, Charles Tillman, Jaylon Johnson ETC...

"and where old players go to get paid putting in minimal effort"

Khalil Mack made 3 Pro Bowls as a Bear. Julius Peppers made 3 as well. Cordarrelle Patterson had 2. As did Brandon Marshall and Tim Jennings. Allen Robinson, Aikim Hicks, Martellus Bennett, Thomas Jones, Ruben Brown etc were all great signings of vet players. No one bats 100 with trade/free agents. But the Bears have had some good ones.

I'm happy you are no longer a fan. Since clearly you dont understand football.

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by Grid

You quoted a post from me replying to someone who said "The Bears will never amount to anything". So I correctly listed all of the things the Bears amounted to. You cant discard 90 years of history. Just because the last 10 haven't been very good.

Lets fact check that for you.

"The last 3 decades have been abysmal"

Since 2000.
2001, won the division.
2005, won the division.
2006, won the division. Won the NFC Championship. Lost in the Super Bowl.
2010, won the division. Lost in the NFC Championship game
2018, won the division.
2020, 2nd place in the division. Lost in the playoffs.

For sure, the last few years have been bad. But "abysmal"? For decades? Nope.

"It's a place young players go to lose a career"

Over that same 25 year stretch. The Bears have sent 8 players to the Hall of Fame. 2 of them (Urlacher & Hester) retired in the past 10ish years.

Countless All Pros and Pro Bowlers over the past 25 years. Urlacher 8 Pro Bowls, Lance Briggs 7, Olin Kreutz 6, Kyle Long, Tommie Harris, Kyle Fuller, Eddie Jackson, Matt Forte, Charles Tillman, Jaylon Johnson ETC...

"and where old players go to get paid putting in minimal effort"

Khalil Mack made 3 Pro Bowls as a Bear. Julius Peppers made 3 as well. Cordarrelle Patterson had 2. As did Brandon Marshall and Tim Jennings. Allen Robinson, Aikim Hicks, Martellus Bennett, Thomas Jones, Ruben Brown etc were all great signings of vet players. No one bats 100 with trade/free agents. But the Bears have had some good ones.


I'm happy you are no longer a fan. Since clearly you dont understand football.

So they made playoffs 6 times in 24 years and that's your big pat on the shoulder to yourself? We can add 6 more seasons since they hadn't been since 94. so 6 times in 30 years. Congrats. Boy is there egg on my face! With ONE Super Bowl appearance by a team that had no offense (Might have had a better chance had they not benched Orton for Grossman but that's what the Bears do).

Hester was a great kick returner that had zero skills anywhere else and was a complete bust as a WR. As a KR, yes, a great player. But tainted by his time as a WR.

Urlacher was a great player that deserved to be on a better team. I will also give you Tillman and feel the same, deserved better.

Everyone else you listed was mid. Matt Forte had, maybe 2 good seasons. Kyle Fuller was not good for very long either. This is a misleading list.

"You don't agree with me so clearly you don't know anything about football". This shows the level of IQ I'm dealing with here, I'll bow out and let you get your last say in as your personality seems to need such. Take care.

[DMACcollector]

If the Bears can sure up the OL, I think there's great potential to see CW and BJ turn into the next Mahomes and Reid.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by DMACcollector

If the Bears can sure up the OL, I think there's great potential to see CW and BJ turn into the next Mahomes and Reid.

Slow down there! You might hurt yourself stretching so far!!!

Reason the Chiefs have been who they are starts with the front office. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes is a great QB, but the best football teams are a collection of talented pieces. They add the right free agents, let the wrong players go to free agency, and they draft well. The Bears have improved their roster dramatically from three seasons ago, no doubt about that, but they have a LOT of pieces beyond the O-Line if they're to become an elite team.

[DMACcollector]

Originally Posted by erock28

Slow down there! You might hurt yourself stretching so far!!!

Reason the Chiefs have been who they are starts with the front office. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes is a great QB, but the best football teams are a collection of talented pieces. They add the right free agents, let the wrong players go to free agency, and they draft well. The Bears have improved their roster dramatically from three seasons ago, no doubt about that, but they have a LOT of pieces beyond the O-Line if they're to become an elite team.

Hold on there! I didn't say the Bears were going to be the next Chiefs-like dynasty. I meant that Johnson is an innovative play caller that will unlock Williams' potential, and I do see similarities to Mahomes style of play. I think, OFFENSIVELY, they can potentially be like Reid and Mahomes.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Ninotores

So they made playoffs 6 times in 24 years and that's your big pat on the shoulder to yourself? We can add 6 more seasons since they hadn't been since 94. so 6 times in 30 years. Congrats. Boy is there egg on my face! With ONE Super Bowl appearance by a team that had no offense (Might have had a better chance had they not benched Orton for Grossman but that's what the Bears do).

Hester was a great kick returner that had zero skills anywhere else and was a complete bust as a WR. As a KR, yes, a great player. But tainted by his time as a WR.

Urlacher was a great player that deserved to be on a better team. I will also give you Tillman and feel the same, deserved better.

Everyone else you listed was mid. Matt Forte had, maybe 2 good seasons. Kyle Fuller was not good for very long either. This is a misleading list.

"You don't agree with me so clearly you don't know anything about football". This shows the level of IQ I'm dealing with here, I'll bow out and let you get your last say in as your personality seems to need such. Take care.

Who said I was patting myself on the back? You said, and Ill quote "The last 3 decades have been abysmal"

I pointed out the highs of the past 25 years. half a dozen division wins. Some playoff success, including winning the NFC Championship. How is that "abysmal"? Its not.

As a fan, you take the good with the bad. There has clearly been success. Not as much as any fan would like. But lets not make it seem like the Bears havent won the NFC, never played in a super bowl or had any winless seasons.

Only one team in our division can say all that. And it isnt the Bears.

Love how you say there were great players on the team. Even after you said "It's a place young players go to lose a career". At least you are now back tracking some.

Its OK to be wrong. No clue why you are doubling down on being wrong. Devin Hester is a Hall of Famer. Twice on the NFL's All Decade team. And listed by the league as one of their top 100 players of all time.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by erock28

Slow down there! You might hurt yourself stretching so far!!!

Reason the Chiefs have been who they are starts with the front office. Reid is a great coach, Mahomes is a great QB, but the best football teams are a collection of talented pieces. They add the right free agents, let the wrong players go to free agency, and they draft well. The Bears have improved their roster dramatically from three seasons ago, no doubt about that, but they have a LOT of pieces beyond the O-Line if they're to become an elite team.

Cosigned. This is the very reason why so many teams have prolonged success. And it really starts with the right QB/HC combo.

You have 32 teams in the NFL. A dozen of them, have never won a Super Bowl. Ever. And 4 have never played in one.

Arizona Cardinals (1 appearance)
Atlanta Falcons (2)
Buffalo Bills (4)
Carolina Panthers (2)
Cincinnati Bengals (3)
Cleveland Browns (0)
Detroit Lions (0)
Houston Texans (0)
Jacksonville Jaguars (0)
Los Angeles Chargers (1)
Minnesota Vikings (4)
Tennessee Titans (1)

Over the past 25 years, you have only 13 different teams win it all.

Out of those 13, 7 of them have won multiples.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by DMACcollector

Hold on there! I didn't say the Bears were going to be the next Chiefs-like dynasty. I meant that Johnson is an innovative play caller that will unlock Williams' potential, and I do see similarities to Mahomes style of play. I think, OFFENSIVELY, they can potentially be like Reid and Mahomes.

Fair enough. I don't think Williams has the accuracy of Mahomes...but on paper its a no brainer that Johnson has as good a shot of anyone to maximize what Williams can become. But, as we agree, nothing will happen without a dramatic O-line overhaul!

[DMACcollector]

Originally Posted by erock28

Fair enough. I don't think Williams has the accuracy of Mahomes...but on paper its a no brainer that Johnson has as good a shot of anyone to maximize what Williams can become. But, as we agree, nothing will happen without a dramatic O-line overhaul!

For sure. The line should be the focus this off season/draft. I think Williams' accuracy will be much better in year two.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by erock28

Fair enough. I don't think Williams has the accuracy of Mahomes...but on paper its a no brainer that Johnson has as good a shot of anyone to maximize what Williams can become. But, as we agree, nothing will happen without a dramatic O-line overhaul!

We'll never know... Bears OL is horrendous, and the divi is good.

Young QB playing from behind = rough rough ruff.

Caleb needs to just avoid injury and get out of his 4 year sentence in Chicago alive and healthy.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by slyguy

We'll never know... Bears OL is horrendous, and the divi is good.

Young QB playing from behind = rough rough ruff.

Caleb needs to just avoid injury and get out of his 4 year sentence in Chicago alive and healthy.

If Bears brass ever decides to spend money on the RIGHT free agents, and they pickup a quality starter or two in the draft, the line can be corrected by this upcoming season. This is coming from a Packer fan.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by slyguy

We'll never know... Bears OL is horrendous, and the divi is good.

Young QB playing from behind = rough rough ruff.

Caleb needs to just avoid injury and get out of his 4 year sentence in Chicago alive and healthy.

NFC North likes GB's cast offs Chicago will probably sign Josh Myers.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by erock28

If Bears brass ever decides to spend money on the RIGHT free agents, and they pickup a quality starter or two in the draft, the line can be corrected by this upcoming season. This is coming from a Packer fan.

Sure, wall all know it's super easy to just "pick up a quality starter or two in the draft" for fast OL fixes!

Sincerely,
KC Chiefs