🏈 🏈 🏈 2024 EVERYTHING COLLEGE FOOTBALL Utopian Discussion Thread 🏈 🏈 🏈

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by Stifle

How many 4th place Conference finishers made the 12 team Tournament. Ohio State and Notre Dame had the 2 ugliest losses of the season of the 12 but have played outstanding in the playoffs.

I give Ohio State kudos for IMO having the toughest road to make it to the Championship Game. The reality is if OSU wins it all, a two loss Natty Champ will be considered right with LSU as the lowest ranked champions. Worst - MINNESOTA, 2- LSU, 3- OSU ?

How many 4th place conference finishers have a win over the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place teams?

Making history. Sit back and enjoy the ride

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

They were lousy games. Who cares if the favorite or the underdog won? There was 1 enjoyable game and 5 atrocious ones.
I already stated there was one enjoyable NFL game. After that, the lowest margin was 12. Followed by 14, 18, 20 and 24.

No, it kinda really doesn't. Just because the idiots in Vegas thought Minnesota was better than LA doesn't magically make last night's game an entertaining one.

It was a full weekend of overwhelmingly bad, unenjoyable football. Period.

I loved every bit of the expanded playoffs and the wildcard round in the NFL. Part of that is because I enjoy gambling. I really don’t understand comments like this. So many self proclaimed experts love playing Monday morning QB and calling out Vegas for bad lines but these same people are no where to be found with predictions prior to the games. Even the best gamblers in the world are wrong 40% of the time over the course of a lifetime. I would say these so called “idiots in Vegas” are damn good at what they do!

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Stifle

How many 4th place Conference finishers made the 12 team Tournament. Ohio State and Notre Dame had the 2 ugliest losses of the season of the 12 but have played outstanding in the playoffs.

I give Ohio State kudos for IMO having the toughest road to make it to the Championship Game. The reality is if OSU wins it all, a two loss Natty Champ will be considered right with LSU as the lowest ranked champions. Worst - MINNESOTA, 2- LSU, 3- OSU ?

History won't view it that way because you now need 16 games to get that far, and SOS will naturally be the toughest it's ever been when you add in the last four games. There will be the 12 game AP era. The 13 game BCS era. The 14 game CFP era, and now the 15-16 game CFP era.

More credit will be given to teams with ugly losses when you consider the brutal gauntlet the last 4 games require. This also diminishes the ranking system because when a truly great team does lay a dud, they can still get back on track and win it all by proving themselves at the end. It also forces some of the over-ranked teams to justify their ranking. And the best way to become over-ranked in the first place is to be lucky enough to outlast better teams that happened to lose more games than you. No more debating if the 0 loss team is more deserving than the 2 loss team, etc. You get to play it out now. History will look back at Ohio State OR Notre Dame (not counting them out) and be quite impressed with what was required to earn that title.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I loved every bit of the expanded playoffs and the wildcard round in the NFL. Part of that is because I enjoy gambling. I really don’t understand comments like this. So many self proclaimed experts love playing Monday morning QB and calling out Vegas for bad lines but these same people are no where to be found with predictions prior to the games. Even the best gamblers in the world are wrong 40% of the time over the course of a lifetime. I would say these so called “idiots in Vegas” are damn good at what they do!

That's why I didn't consider it boring (and tried to make the comparison to college). It's not the blowout itself that bores people. It's PREDICTABLE blowouts. The CFP 1st round was predictably boring and the oddsmakers didn't have much of a challenge with that one. I'm sure it was awesome if you hammered the favorites or even parlayed them, but it wasn't exciting football. Had SMU and Clemson blown out their opponents, it would have been viewed as exciting, a new Cinderella story, and validation that this was the right decision.

Wild Card weekend was very unpredictable. Bills and Ravens you kinda knew...but the other 4 games? Very torn. I played them all and went 5-1 but I grappled with it. Aside from Bills/Ravens, I coulda saw any of the other 4 going either way, and for the most part, that's what happened. Margin of victory aside, 3 dogs cashed their ticket to the next round. Good stuff.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I loved every bit of the expanded playoffs and the wildcard round in the NFL. Part of that is because I enjoy gambling. I really don’t understand comments like this. So many self proclaimed experts love playing Monday morning QB and calling out Vegas for bad lines but these same people are no where to be found with predictions prior to the games. Even the best gamblers in the world are wrong 40% of the time over the course of a lifetime. I would say these so called “idiots in Vegas” are damn good at what they do!

If the idiots in Vegas (a group with whom I proudly associate) were good at what they do, there wouldn't be a Vegas. The reason why there are so many cathedrals in that great city is because the gamblers, as a group, most assuredly do not know what they are doing.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

If the idiots in Vegas (a group with whom I proudly associate) were good at what they do, there wouldn't be a Vegas. The reason why there are so many cathedrals in that great city is because the gamblers, as a group, most assuredly do not know what they are doing.

He was clearly talking about the oddsmakers being good at what they do after you called them idiots. Not the gamblers themselves.

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

If the idiots in Vegas (a group with whom I proudly associate) were good at what they do, there wouldn't be a Vegas. The reason why there are so many cathedrals in that great city is because the gamblers, as a group, most assuredly do not know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

He was clearly talking about the oddsmakers being good at what they do after you called them idiots. Not the gamblers themselves.

Yes, I think we just got our wires crossed. The oddsmakers made Minnesota a favorite and I interpreted your comment as calling them idiots for setting a bad line. Given your more recent comment, it doesn't sound like that was your intention.

I always get a kick out of people that claim to be "smarter" than the oddsmakers which is why I commented, but as I stated, we just got our wires crossed.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Yes, I think we just got our wires crossed. The oddsmakers made Minnesota a favorite and I interpreted your comment as calling them idiots for setting a bad line. Given your more recent comment, it doesn't sound like that was your intention.

I always get a kick out of people that claim to be "smarter" than the oddsmakers which is why I commented, but as I stated, we just got our wires crossed.

Yes, "idiots in Vegas" was in reference to the gamblers - a group with which I proudly associate.

[foleylion08]

Coaches vote unanimously to change transfer portal to a single 10-day period. Chances it ever goes into effect? Seems like those 10 days would be insanity.

Also the DOE appointee's proposal that any payments made directly from a school to a player in the future will be a Title IX violation if the money is not dispersed evenly through the athletics department.

We truly are in the wild west, but looks like people are trying to reign things in.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by Stifle

How many 4th place Conference finishers made the 12 team Tournament. Ohio State and Notre Dame had the 2 ugliest losses of the season of the 12 but have played outstanding in the playoffs.

I give Ohio State kudos for IMO having the toughest road to make it to the Championship Game. The reality is if OSU wins it all, a two loss Natty Champ will be considered right with LSU as the lowest ranked champions. Worst - MINNESOTA, 2- LSU, 3- OSU ?

It's apples to oranges, though. Whomever wins had to go through a gauntlet to become a champion. That's how it is with playoffs. It's not always the best team during the regular season; it's the team that got hot at the right time. As an example, how many times has the #1 overall seed won during March Madness?

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

It's apples to oranges, though. Whomever wins had to go through a gauntlet to become a champion. That's how it is with playoffs. It's not always the best team during the regular season; it's the team that got hot at the right time. As an example, how many times has the #1 overall seed won during March Madness?

24 times.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by cnewby

24 times.

Thank you sir....and that proves my point. That means 38% of the time, someone other than the #1 overall seed has won when using 1985 as the starting point.

As much as I hate both teams, I will be the first to give them props for winning it all. Beating four top 10 teams in a row is quite the accomplishment.

[foleylion08]

I mean dumping on 2007 LSU is weak. Yeah they had two losses, but 7 wins over top-25 teams. For comparison, the OSU team they beat didn't play a game against anyone higher than 23 for their three ranked wins. Then got trounced when they played a good team.

Also, LSU played 14 games. If OSU wins, they'll have played 16 games. That's a hell of a feat. 14-2 is more impressive than 12-2 and I'm sure they'll be remembered as better than several 1-loss champions when looking back on their season.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

I mean dumping on 2007 LSU is weak. Yeah they had two losses, but 7 wins over top-25 teams. For comparison, the OSU team they beat didn't play a game against anyone higher than 23 for their three ranked wins. Then got trounced when they played a good team.

I vaguely remember there being some chaos in the last week or two of the 2007 season that led to the LSU-Ohio State BCS title game. Kansas was undefeated but lost to Missouri the week before the Big 12 championship game. Missouri was then 11-1 and controlled their destiny only to be blown out by Oklahoma in the Big 12 championship.

This was similar to 2001 - I remember Texas and Tennessee getting upset in their conference championship games leading to a surprise with Nebraska getting into the title game when both were in the driver's seat for the spot opposite Miami.

Anyway, point being wild stuff happens. With OSU, they may have been fourth by standings, but Oregon, Penn State, and Indiana each only played one team from the top four Big 10 teams during the regular season and that was Ohio State. Ohio State went 2-1 against these teams.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

I mean dumping on 2007 LSU is weak. Yeah they had two losses, but 7 wins over top-25 teams. For comparison, the OSU team they beat didn't play a game against anyone higher than 23 for their three ranked wins. Then got trounced when they played a good team.

Also, LSU played 14 games. If OSU wins, they'll have played 16 games. That's a hell of a feat. 14-2 is more impressive than 12-2 and I'm sure they'll be remembered as better than several 1-loss champions when looking back on their season.

Both of LSU's losses were in 3 OT.

[foleylion08]

Originally Posted by rats60

Both of LSU's losses were in 3 OT.

Right, they weren’t getting blown out or anything. And that Buckeye team lost to unranked Illinois at home by a touchdown (it was 14 points until a Beanie wells TD with 34 seconds left).

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

How many 4th place conference finishers have a win over the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place teams?

Making history. Sit back and enjoy the ride

I enjoyed the ride over a month ago when they were supposedly one of the greatest teams ever and could pick the score against it’s last regular season opponent.

Why is it that the only Championship Game that the Buckeye’s can reach is when Michigan isn’t blocking their path? To be ranked 2nd 4 consecutive years without even reaching a Conference Championship Game going into the last game of the season doesn’t exactly place a team into legendary status. If a team can’t even reach their own Conference Championship Game then we should hit the brakes on legendary or any other forms of outrageous accomplishments.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

Thank you sir....and that proves my point. That means 38% of the time, someone other than the #1 overall seed has won when using 1985 as the starting point.

As much as I hate both teams, I will be the first to give them props for winning it all. Beating four top 10 teams in a row is quite the accomplishment.

They both have had great runs BUT, to lose to a directional MAC team at home and for Pick ‘Em Buckeyes to lose to a 3 TD favorite Vegas odds will once again make the winning team be the Favored Mrs. American contestant who had gastric issues during her bikini walk. Both teams stunk it up when they were suppose to dominate.

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by Stifle

I enjoyed the ride over a month ago when they were supposedly one of the greatest teams ever and could pick the score against it’s last regular season opponent.

Why is it that the only Championship Game that the Buckeye’s can reach is when Michigan isn’t blocking their path? To be ranked 2nd 4 consecutive years without even reaching a Conference Championship Game going into the last game of the season doesn’t exactly place a team into legendary status. If a team can’t even reach their own Conference Championship Game then we should hit the brakes on legendary or any other forms of outrageous accomplishments.

These grapes are extra sour tonight. Love it

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by Stifle

They both have had great runs BUT, to lose to a directional MAC team at home and for Pick ‘Em Buckeyes to lose to a 3 TD favorite Vegas odds will once again make the winning team be the Favored Mrs. American contestant who had gastric issues during her bikini walk. Both teams stunk it up when they were suppose to dominate.

What?

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

These grapes are extra sour tonight. Love it

He’s definitely the most whack job on Blowout

I’m here for it

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by no10pin

What?

Mrs. American

You don’t watch that?

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Mrs. American

You don’t watch that?

No, and I definitely don't want to watch that episode.

[Flkrsn5]

I can remember back in 2014 when people were screaming a 1 loss team should not be a contender. That 1 loss team got beat by an unranked team earlier in the season then mopped the floor with Bama and Oregon in the “playoffs.”

Now there’s an “issue” with a 2 loss team, beaten by an unranked team and the #1 ranked team (by 1 on the road, who they steam rolled in the playoffs), but ran through the 2/3s of the best SEC teams, and the #1 seed, and there’s still an “issue” with them even being in the playoffs and “they wouldn’t have been if it didn’t get expanded.” Well, it did, and OSU got it done, but don’t lie to yourself thinking it was an easy accomplishment, because as you can see, “the best conference in the country,” didn’t make it to the championship.

The argument of “they shouldn’t be there because they loss to TTUN” means nothing anymore after they steamrolled Tennessee, Oregon, and beat Texas by 14. Pick a new narrative and move on. TTUN won that battle, and the OSU coaches own that game. They’re playing the way they’ve been capable of with their talent now, with the play calling that should’ve been called in the TTUN game, and when it counts. This new playoff system isn’t easy and OSU had the toughest road hands down. Let’s not forget, they beat PSU and Indiana in the regular season, WHO, made the playoffs.

Now get over it and watch the two best teams play on Monday. May the best team win. For those worried about a 2 loss team, just realize a 6 loss team will NEVER make it!

[Cracktoast]

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