Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush

[larry25]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Anyway to tell what other cards were submitted with this one to PSA or is that Top-Secret information now? Just like the submitter name is top-secret and submission date.

Is the consigner name at Golden Top-Secret also? How many other cards did they consign with this one at Golden? Oh yeah, Top-Secret information?

Huh? Dude's name is right in the thread title, and you can go up and down the serial numbering from this one card. What am I missing?

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by LLC

Two more at Robert Edwards:

lot #53
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=106044

lot #54
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=106045

I can't believe they would do this after the last one was so recent, but here we are.

Not a good look, IMO.

The BGS 10 that REA auctioned off (with disclosure of the flawed authentication), is back up for sale. Of course, the disclosure didn't follow along.
BGS 10 # 3969955

ebay.com/itm/375509047593

[Thunderdunk]

Where is that disclosure coming from in red? I dont see it in the ebay listing or anywhere else. Rick is promoting this on his Instagram account as well and does not mention the issues with it. This card is no good in my opinion and I would avoid.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by auburn35

The BGS 10 that REA auctioned off (with disclosure of the flawed authentication), is back up for sale. Of course, the disclosure didn't follow along.

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

Where is that disclosure coming from in red? I dont see it in the ebay listing or anywhere else. Rick is promoting this on his Instagram account as well and does not mention the issues with it. This card is no good in my opinion and I would avoid.

...the post says where the disclosure came from. The REA auction.

[LLC]

"It is likely that the buyer of this card will try to pass this off to another unsuspecting buyer."

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by auburn35

The BGS 10 that REA auctioned off (with disclosure of the flawed authentication), is back up for sale. Of course, the disclosure didn't follow along.
BGS 10 # 3969955

ebay.com/itm/375509047593

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by LLC

"It is likely that the buyer of this card will try to pass this off to another unsuspecting buyer."

Pathetic.

Agree, and this Probstein listing is exactly what was predicted by several in the thread.

Originally Posted by pip

What? They're there now? I think you're being sarcastic. The cards are in Becket 9.5 and 10 holders. The grades should be Authentic/Altered. There's little chance those disclosures will be retained.

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Sorta in the same camp. It is great that REA is disclosing the info to the public but the cards are going to resurface and it is very unlikely they will have the same disclosure in all subsequent sales. Has REA done it's job completely? This sale clears REA but it also passes along bad cards that a potentially unsuspecting buyer will end up with.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Typical marketplace seller and consignor behavior, targeting ignorant and newbie buyers who tend to trust graders is standard practice…nothing new to see here.

[auburn35]

The Tiger is getting some additional media attention, linking back to the REA sale.

https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...woods-rookie-1

Stern: There has been a ton of work done by card sleuths online regarding the questionable authenticity of some 1996 Tiger Woods SI For Kids cards. Especially Tiffany Cards and auburn35 — hat tips to both of them for pointing out this card, which sold at Robert Edward Auctions in 2022 for $20,400 with the following disclaimer:

“Research into these cards, their method of issue, and their subsequent grading indicate that some graded examples may have been re-perforated after the fact through the trimming away of existing perforations and the use of a perforating tool to attempt to replicate the intended design. While the appearance of the cards is often similar enough to not elicit suspicion, a careful examination reveals that cards which have undergone this process typically display fewer perforated tabs than intended. The offered card is, in our opinion, an example of a card that is likely not as issued despite its high numerical grade.”

REA was referring to methods used by careful investigators who have used the number of perforations apparent on the card to judge authenticity, which some believe to be evidence of alteration in the case of this BGS 10 example. Props to REA for noting it in its lot description originally, would like to see the same transparency from Probstein here.

[auburn35]

Came across this article yesterday about popular cards, without a psa 10 awarded.
It's a good read, but what I thought was really funny, is PSA referenced the "cleaner separation and edges" on the Tiger Woods SIFK while discussing some of reasons for having 0 10's on the 2023 Victor Wembanyama.

Did PSA forget that most (all?) of these really clean looking Tiger Woods cards they graded were altered?

https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...raded-as-a-gem

PSA notes: “The centering on this card will always stand out as the biggest issue. It's also worth noting that edges on this perforated card are also tough. You compare this to the iconic Tiger Woods S.I. for Kids card from 1996, that Tiger card seemed to have cleaner separation and edges when removed from the sheet in the magazine than this Wemby card did.”

[auburn35]

Here's another small copy, currenty listed with Goldin.

BGS Cert 5234397
Anyone think Beckett will follow PSA, and correct their authentication error?

https://goldin.co/item/1996-sports-i...bgs-gem-m9ntme

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

This card has FAILED the PSA review and is no longer up for auction.

[pspa123]

Ugly. That's just not how they separate from the sheets.

[pip]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Came across this article yesterday about popular cards, without a psa 10 awarded.
It's a good read, but what I thought was really funny, is PSA referenced the "cleaner separation and edges" on the Tiger Woods SIFK while discussing some of reasons for having 0 10's on the 2023 Victor Wembanyama.

Did PSA forget that most (all?) of these really clean looking Tiger Woods cards they graded were altered?

https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...raded-as-a-gem

It's the opposite. The Wembanyama is an easier card to find in high grade because it only has perforations on three edges. Production numbers were also likely higher.

Are they still really unaware after all this time?

[LLC]

What do you guys think of this one? For some reason, the right edge/side is not sitting right with me (esp. when you compare it with the other edge/side), although the perf counts seem correct. The back/reverse side, looking at the bottom left corner (corner and edges in that vicinity), something feels off as well...

FOR FULL-SIZE IMAGES HERE'S THE AUCTION LISTING:
https://www.fanaticscollect.com/week...6-bgs-85-nm-mt

[DragonWagon]

Originally Posted by LLC

What do you guys think of this one? For some reason, the right edge/side is not sitting right with me (esp. when you compare it with the other edge/side), although the perf counts seem correct. The back/reverse side, looking at the bottom left corner (corner and edges in that vicinity), something feels off as well...

FOR FULL-SIZE IMAGES HERE'S THE AUCTION LISTING:
https://www.fanaticscollect.com/week...6-bgs-85-nm-mt

Although the horizontal count is 30, it is missing the corner chad on both sides. As a result, I am adding this card to the altered card database.

[LLC]

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Although the horizontal count is 30, it is missing the corner chad on both sides. As a result, I am adding this card to the altered card database.

I agree with this decision. Thanks.

[pip]

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Although the horizontal count is 30, it is missing the corner chad on both sides. As a result, I am adding this card to the altered card database.

The biggest problem on this card is that the number of perforations on the right and left sides doesn't match. The card was reperforated on its right side, presumably to remove the yellow sliver of the adjoining card. Verdict: altered.

[auburn35]

Thought you and the thread might enjoy this clip.

Nat and Darren discussing the Tiger SIFK amongst the top 90's cards. Nat isn't a fan, and also references the numerous altered copies.

Rest of the video was also interesting.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzqZIYtf...eNTOj1GfM7GDP8

Article, if anyone was curious.
https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...s-of-the-1990s

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

Yeah but thats not the only issue with that card. PSA stopped grading them for over 10 years. They artificially kept the pop report low. That is not even close to a rare card that is worthy of a low pop report. In addition to it being perforated and graded high. No way. Throw in all the alterations and thats just icing on the cake.

The most interesting part to all of this is talking about how these people are "trimming" and "reperforating" was that Mike Souza was found to be one of the people that did this altering. THE TITIE OF THIS EXACT THREAD Read the quote below from the espn article that Darren Rovell "hyped", err, I mean wrote. Quote is from none other then..... Mike Souza... Round and round we go. Souza also worked for PSA at one time as stated in the thread ... Draw your own conclusions, but the whole market around the Si Kids Cards is a Joke. And that $125K sale is a Joke as well.

Too much smoke around this fire and has been since the beginning.