Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush

[5CentWaxPack]

Originally Posted by pspa123

It will be disappointing if Brian lets it go through. Late notice is still notice, they must read their emails even on auction days, and not like it's a remotely close call.

Until they have to ship the card it is not a sale but once it closes without being pulled we will never know what their disposition is. We would have to assume that they defer to the grading companies which should make everyone think twice when they bid.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by 5CentWaxPack

So Goldin ends it when presented to him but REA is gonna let it sell? Boy have times changed.

Maybe Goldin should have done a better job vetting the card or reaching out to the buyer after the auction but the linked Goldin sale occurred prior to the blowout post, even before Superdan49's detailed breakdown.

If not ended early, hoping REA at least informs the buyer of the information presented.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Maybe Goldin should have done a better job vetting the card or reaching out to the buyer after the auction but the linked Goldin sale occurred prior to the blowout post, even before Superdan49's detailed breakdown.

If not ended early, hoping REA at least informs the buyer of the information presented.

Knowing how involved Brian was behind the scenes with the altered card scandal I am shocked that he has not pulled the card. Not shocked it got past REA nor that it was consigned to them. There are so many of these cards out there exchanging hands.

[pspa123]

This just in.

Thank you for your email. This card has been withdrawn from the auction.

[auburn35]

Always nice to see an auction house remove problem cards, even when notified late into the listing. Well done

[MoreToppsPlease]

AHs depending on BODA to vet their auctions for any length of time isn’t right, they should make a monetary donation in BODA’s name to a worthy cause.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Always nice to see an auction house remove problem cards, even when notified late into the listing. Well done

Agreed. Anyone have a guess who the lucky auction house will be of this gem once REA returns it to the consignor?

[auburn35]

One starting with "P", would be my guess.

Neither Probstein123 or PWCC seem to care who is submitting the card(s) or if what they're selling has issues.

[LLC]

Two more at Robert Edwards:

lot #53
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=106044

lot #54
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=106045

I can't believe they would do this after the last one was so recent, but here we are.

Not a good look, IMO.

[pip]

Just complete ignorance.

[CaptSpaulding]

Catch me if ya can. Go Hobby Go!!! So now REA will presumably pull them, send them back to the consignor and they will reappear in an auction to be named later. Pass the #@#@#@#@.

[pip]

First the graders lost their rulers. Then they misplaced their blacklights. Now they've forgotten how to count. The bad news is that a similar malady (acute profiticitus) seems to have also overwhelmed the auction houses.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

First the graders lost their rulers. Then they misplaced their blacklights. Now they've forgotten how to count. The bad news is that a similar malady (acute profiticitus) seems to have also overwhelmed the auction houses.

Good thing it is only with selective submitters. Bet if we cracked one of these gems and sent it back it would not grade.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by LLC

Two more at Robert Edwards:

lot #53
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=106044

lot #54
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=106045

I can't believe they would do this after the last one was so recent, but here we are.

Not a good look, IMO.

They have very clear and prominent disclosures around these cards. What’s the issue? did you not read the descriptions?

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

They have very clear and prominent disclosures around these cards. What’s the issue? did you not read the descriptions?

What? They're there now? I think you're being sarcastic. The cards are in Becket 9.5 and 10 holders. The grades should be Authentic/Altered. There's little chance those disclosures will be retained.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

What? They're there now? I think you're being sarcastic. The cards are in Becket 9.5 and 10 holders. The grades should be Authentic/Altered. There's little chance those disclosures will be retained.

Read the sea of red ink REA put in their descriptions. There’s no fraud if they’re revealing all the problems.

[pspa123]

Are you suggesting REA should not sell the cards at all? What does that accomplish? The consignor will just put them with someone else who won’t make all that disclosure. Maybe it’s not perfect, but I think REA is doing what it realistically can be expected to do. By your logic, nobody could even sell the Wagner.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Are you suggesting REA should not sell the cards at all? What does that accomplish? The consignor will just put them with someone else who won’t make all that disclosure. Maybe it’s not perfect, but I think REA is doing what it realistically can be expected to do. By your logic, nobody could even sell the Wagner.

Sure you could. In an "authentic" holder. But that's a little different situation as the trimming is more widely known.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Read the sea of red ink REA put in their descriptions. There’s no fraud if they’re revealing all the problems.

Is that in their catalogs too?

[pip]

I think Goldin Auctions would pull the cards altogether or refuse to put them up for sale in the first place. Whenever the disclaimer is longer than the description itself, you've got a pretty obvious problem.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

I think Goldin Auctions would pull the cards altogether or refuse to put them up for sale in the first place. Whenever the disclaimer is longer than the description itself, you've got a pretty obvious problem.

It’s an imperfect world. Perhaps that’s the better solution, but I’m not going to fault someone who makes these types of extensive disclosures. Better than almost anyone else in the hobby would do.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

It’s an imperfect world. Perhaps that’s the better solution, but I’m not going to fault someone who makes these types of extensive disclosures. Better than almost anyone else in the hobby would do.

Okay but the "we have to sell them because they're part of an estate settlement" is a very poor rationalization.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

Okay but the "we have to sell them because they're part of an estate settlement" is a very poor rationalization.

I don't know the circumstances, do you? I hardly think the trivial amount they are going to net from selling two cards with sea of red disclosures screaming that they've been altered is motivating them to do something shady.

[LLC]

When you have lengthy, poorly-worded "sea of red" disclaimers such as these, anyone can see these cards are extremely problematic. Why would you want to deal with this headache? Can you guarantee that whoever buys these cards will pass on this disclaimer to future buyers? Of course not. It is likely that the buyer of this card will try to pass this off to another unsuspecting buyer.

No one is twisting REA's arm to sell these cards. The listing says these cards need to be sold due to some estate matters, but they don't have to be sold by REA. That's silly.

IMO, at the very least, the disclaimer should DIRECTLY say "This card is known to be an altered specimen. Do not rely on the grade stated on the Beckett slab. We make no guarantees that this card will earn any numerical grade if resubmitted for third-party grading. For more information regarding this card, please refer to (link to this Blowout thread)."

It is my personal opinion that this thread contains the most knowledgeable information available anywhere online regarding this card.

An example of an altered card that lost it's disclaimer 'trail' (this card was featured in this very thread):
https://app.rallyrd.com/app/assets/history/96TIGER/view
I literally cringed when I found this entry recently...

Honestly, you sound like you are trying to rationalize this sale.

If I were REA, I would simply keep my hands and reputation clean and not deal with these cards. Wouldn't be worth it to me.

Originally Posted by pspa123

Are you suggesting REA should not sell the cards at all? What does that accomplish? The consignor will just put them with someone else who won’t make all that disclosure. Maybe it’s not perfect, but I think REA is doing what it realistically can be expected to do. By your logic, nobody could even sell the Wagner.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I don't know the circumstances, do you? I hardly think the trivial amount they are going to net from selling two cards with sea of red disclosures screaming that they've been altered is motivating them to do something shady.

I think you're making my point for me. Why is REA working so hard to sell them and keep them in the hobby? A better solution would be to contact Beckett and get them removed from the market....otherwise we'll likely see the same cards again and again and again in one of several TPG holders with no disclaimer.