✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Trueblue]

We just don't know enough facts, and until we do, it's foolish to dismiss any possibility.

That being said, occam's razor leads to the likelihood that Sho was just collateral damage to Ippei's bad decisions. So many things point to some variation of this scenario.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

That being said, occam's razor leads to the likelihood that Sho was just collateral damage to Ippei's bad decisions. So many things point to some variation of this scenario.

Agreed, his initial story to ESPN seems the most likely IMO.

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

We just don't know enough facts, and until we do, it's foolish to dismiss any possibility.

That being said, occam's razor leads to the likelihood that Sho was just collateral damage to Ippei's bad decisions. So many things point to some variation of this scenario.

^^^ this is the correct take.




And anybody wanting to panic sell a bowman auto hit me up!

[boxbuster7]

the problem with anybody in this thread is confirmation bias

[JoshMN]

It's a shame Oscar Gamble didn't play for the Dodgers or Angels in 1975. Same with Don Money. Heritage could be rocking the Ohtani/Gamble dual auto... the Ohtani/Gamble/Money triple auto...

...probably not as good as Ohtani/Betts, I admit.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

It's a shame Oscar Gamble didn't play for the Dodgers or Angels in 1975. Same with Don Money. Heritage could be rocking the Ohtani/Gamble dual auto... the Ohtani/Gamble/Money triple auto...

...probably not as good as Ohtani/Betts, I admit.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

That being said, occam's razor leads to the likelihood that …..

Term of the Day:

Ocam’s Razor


“Occam's Razor, put simply, states: “the simplest solution is almost always the best.” It's a problem-solving principle arguing that simplicity is better than complexity”

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[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

I don't believe that side of the story at all. Ippei initially stated to ESPN that Ohtani helped him cover his gambling debt. As soon as Ohtani's lawyers and PR team heard this, they scrambled and told ESPN to retract his comments, and made the claim that Ippei actually "stole" his money. I'm just not buying it.

I don't trust anything Ippei said.

and if Ohtani is so guilty of something, why would Ohtani's representation want to hand it over to authorities.

obvi we need more facts, but I'm currently not concerned for Ohtani getting banned or even suspended for very long, if at all.

I'm more concerned with his mental health going through something like this with he's best friend, assistant, etc. who is now gone.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Term of the Day:

Ocam’s Razor


“Occam's Razor, put simply, states: “the simplest solution is almost always the best.” It's a problem-solving principle arguing that simplicity is better than complexity”

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I am not a big believer in OR because people and the world are complicated.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I'm more concerned with his mental health going through something like this with he's best friend, assistant, etc. who is now gone.

He’s a big boy ~ and responsible for the company he keeps. I’d betcha’ dollars to donuts Ohtani is disappointed in how this situation blew up, but is not surprised ….

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

He’s a big boy ~ and responsible for the company he keeps. I’d betcha’ dollars to donuts Ohtani is disappointed in how this situation blew up, but is not surprised ….

I hear ya. I'm not saying Ohtani is all of a sudden shocked. It's a major change to his routine, he follows a strict routine and Ippei helped him with a lot of things, and was a good friend for over a decade.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I hear ya. I'm not saying Ohtani is all of a sudden shocked. It's a major change to his routine, he follows a strict routine and Ippei helped him with a lot of things, and was a good friend for over a decade.

One thing I have learned about good friends is things can change overnight.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

I hear ya. I'm not saying Ohtani is all of a sudden shocked. It's a major change to his routine, he follows a strict routine and Ippei helped him with a lot of things, and was a good friend for over a decade.

Habits are very important. You can attribute a lot of Ohtani’s (baseball-related) success to his (baseball-related) habits.

Cue => routine => reward.

It’s that simple.

He’ll have to develop some new habits without Ippei. It’ll be interesting to see how it affects him (mentally and/or performance-wise).

[atk825]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

He’s a big boy ~ and responsible for the company he keeps. I’d betcha’ dollars to donuts Ohtani is disappointed in how this situation blew up, but is not surprised ….

This is true but it's also shocking when someone you consider close betrays your trust. Happens in marriages for one all the time.

[Stifle]

The Dodgers should just give him stock to secure his integrity and sportsmanship. Owners & executives are held to different standards than players!

[Fulmer4MVP]

Originally Posted by Bcr

I just don't see it either. I've known a few gamblers and they are very stressed out people who never really amounted to much. Totally just my opinion though.

Michael Jordan is a huge gambler. Phil Mickelson, Charles Barkley, Wayne Gretzky. Plenty of gamblers are successful in their professional lives.

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Habits are very important. You can attribute a lot of Ohtani’s (baseball-related) success to his (baseball-related) habits.

Cue => routine => reward.

It’s that simple.

He’ll have to develop some new habits without Ippei. It’ll be interesting to see how it affects him (mentally and/or performance-wise).

absolutely

Shohei 4-eva!!

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

He’ll have to develop some new habits without Ippei. It’ll be interesting to see how it affects him (mentally and/or performance-wise).

True - He’ll need to be helped with finding a new Translator, who is happy with a $300k-$500k salary from the Dodgers— one who’s not a degenerate gambler and will not harm Him in any way

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Fulmer4MVP

Michael Jordan is a huge gambler. Phil Mickelson, Charles Barkley, Wayne Gretzky. Plenty of gamblers are successful in their professional lives.

Forgot to add Pete Rose ?

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Forgot to add Pete Rose ?

And Lenny Dykstra.

Lest we forget

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

True - He’ll need to be helped with finding a new Translator, who is happy with a $300k-$500k salary from the Dodgers— one who’s not a degenerate gambler and will not harm Him in any way

It’s amazing that a person earning $300-500k a year is able to have a marker of $500k without having to give something up or without the bookie knowing the gambler is able to cover that marker. A $500k marker is no joke, these bookies are not going to allow that kind of gambling unless they are secured with the better having the money to back up that marker !

There are many members who want to dig their heads in the sand and say it isn’t so. It’s the $500k marker that just doesn’t add up for a bookie to give to a $300-500k earner.

If you were a bookie, who would you feel comfortable giving a $500k marker to, the $300-500k earner or the earner who signed the largest deal in North America for roughly 2/3rds of a BILLION dollars. I would go with the second option but other members feel differently.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by Fulmer4MVP

Michael Jordan is a huge gambler. Phil Mickelson, Charles Barkley, Wayne Gretzky. Plenty of gamblers are successful in their professional lives.

True, but gambling is different from a gambling problem

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by atk825

This is true but it's also shocking when someone you consider close betrays your trust. Happens in marriages for one all the time.

Ironic that he just got married…

[Trueblue]

Some of these headlines are great. It's like the reporters are going full-on Montezuma's revenge for Sho's stealth off-season FA. Lol.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

We just don't know enough facts, and until we do, it's foolish to dismiss any possibility.

That being said, occam's razor leads to the likelihood that Sho was just collateral damage to Ippei's bad decisions. So many things point to some variation of this scenario.

occam's razor would actually suggest that Ohtani was simply firing huge and his best friend is taking one for the team