2024 Bucs Thread - Offseason and 2024 Season

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Yeah, he IS- we can do this all day. I'll back my opinion up with a game winning drive by Lock with no time left on the clock throwing darts, that I have never seen Geno do, and certainly not seen any of the Falcons QBs do.
In case you need a reminder, here it is

What do you got?

Ridder had 4 game winning drives this year. He’s the goat compared to Lock

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Ridder had 4 game winning drives this year. He’s the goat compared to Lock

LMAO

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

LMAO

FACTS!!!

[Chris Lyle]

Well got our OC in Coen. Sounds like he had relationship with Baker with the Rams.

[Chris Lyle]

On another note figured it was going to happen but still a little sad to hear Jensen retired yesterday

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

On another note figured it was going to happen but still a little sad to hear Jensen retired yesterday

He was a dirty player anyways.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

He was a dirty player anyways.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

On another note figured it was going to happen but still a little sad to hear Jensen retired yesterday

Disappointing to see Big Red having to hang up the cleats. Congrats to him on a great career but man 2 brutal knee injuries is such an unfortunate way to go out.

[Eckstein197]

Mike Evans is back! 2 years, 52 million dollar contract. Nice short up front contract, love that.

Had to have him back, glad to have him back

[Eckstein197]

Also really nice getting this done before free agency. That’s arguably the biggest piece of the offseason, and now worst case you can franchise Winfield for sure, and then work a deal with Baker.

But most importantly it guarantees the 2 biggest question marks, Evans and Winfield, will be Bucs in 2024

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

Mike Evans is back! 2 years, 52 million dollar contract. Nice short up front contract, love that.

Had to have him back, glad to have him back

Will Baker want more than they can afford to spend, or are willing to?
I had read that Baker may want the deal with Evans locked up prior to him re-upping, so that domino has fallen.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Will Baker want more than they can afford to spend, or are willing to?
I had read that Baker may want the deal with Evans locked up prior to him re-upping, so that domino has fallen.

The Bucs cap situation is fairly good, a lot of dead money was left in 2023 cuz of Brady’s retirement and such. And with the large increase to the cap, if they want to extend Baker they should have no worries financially in that realm

[Chris Lyle]

So glad to hear about the Evans deal!!! And like you said Eck, now we have the franchise tag for Winfield at worst. Now focus on locking in Baker. Still the best option for this team out there that is realistic.

[Picklepete]

Also let's get Wirfs locked up !

[majestik101]

Nice to see this signing. Had no doubt they'd get the deal done, Evans is worth every penny in my opinion.

Now let's resign Lavonte, Wirfs, McLaughlin, Winfield Jr., maybe go after Dalton Schultz

[evileddie]

Great news about Mike, I never want to see him put on another teams uniform. It would feel so wrong.

[TMQ]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I mean Drew Lock is not that much better than their current situation let’s be real. He couldn’t beat out Geno and Geno has been fine

Where they’re drafting, they aren’t landing Caleb Maye or Daniels. So they could draft Bo Nix or Penix but those guys as a rookie I would far from count on them being great right away

That’s my main point, all these guys especially the FA and such are the same. Heinecke or Jacoby Brissett, we are splitting hairs here

You're joking right? Russel Wilson would run away with the division if Atlanta signs him.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by TMQ

Russel Wilson would run away with the division if Atlanta signs him.

You're joking right?

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Because the top 3 weapons on the Falcons are better overall than the top 3 weapons on the Bucs. The D was better. They will bring in a a Cousins or someone similar (and they will be better than Baker) So with all of that and a competent coach, yeah, the Falcons will be superior and it will be their division to lose.

What have I been saying all season- Baker can not carry his team. He can NOT take the team on his back and win big games. I told you that, and he proved it. So your choice is to cross your fingers and hopefully he overcomes something he has not been able to in his 1st six seasons, or you make a play for a better QB. And God forbid Evans leaves- would that make Baker better? Of course not, he gets even worse

Been saying this for a while. Mayfield is not bringing you to a championship- it is what it is. So doesn’t it make sense to go in a different direction at QB? When/if Cousins comes to Atlanta, the Bucs won’t even win the division

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Been saying this for a while. Mayfield is not bringing you to a championship- it is what it is. So doesn’t it make sense to go in a different direction at QB? When/if Cousins comes to Atlanta, the Bucs won’t even win the division

And as everyone has been saying when you continually bring this up... Cousins is not coming to TB.... So WHO is legitimately better than Baker that the Bucs can realistically get?????

Trade for Fields? NOPE

Russell Wilson? NOPE

Kyle Trask? NOPE

Draft a QB? May draft one, but they shouldn't be the answer for next season.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by TMQ

You're joking right? Russel Wilson would run away with the division if Atlanta signs him.

You're the one joking... The comment you quoted was made before we even knew Wilson would be cut... And what has Wilson done the last 2 years to say he'd run away with anything in Atlanta??

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

And as everyone has been saying when you continually bring this up... Cousins is not coming to TB.... So WHO is legitimately better than Baker that the Bucs can realistically get?????

Trade for Fields? NOPE

Russell Wilson? NOPE

Kyle Trask? NOPE

Draft a QB? May draft one, but they shouldn't be the answer for next season.

Hey if you are okay with signing a guy that can not get you to and win the biggest game, have at it. If I am in their position, I try in go in a direction at QB where I don't already know what the ceiling is. Take a shot on a QB out of the draft or something, and save yourself a lot of $$ to address other issues.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Hey if you are okay with signing a guy that can not get you to and win the biggest game, have at it. If I am in their position, I try in go in a direction at QB where I don't already know what the ceiling is. Take a shot on a QB out of the draft or something, and save yourself a lot of $$ to address other issues.

I disagree though I respect the must-win-it-all thought. Most QBs fail in a draft, saddling your team with garbage under center will negatively impact the whole organization. Guys less likely to resign, guys less likely to come as a FA. The tanking that baseball and basketball does isn't as great a strategy in football. Putting terrible players on the field will lead to injuries, less fan engagement ($$$), and hamstring the future team.

Maybe Baker isn't the guy, maybe he is. Baker's likely the best option right now and being mad at him because investments in him didn't pan out or he somehow caused Trask prices to tank doesn't take away his football ability. He's shown he can win games, something most QBs can't do.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by jplarson

I disagree though I respect the must-win-it-all thought. Most QBs fail in a draft, saddling your team with garbage under center will negatively impact the whole organization. Guys less likely to resign, guys less likely to come as a FA. The tanking that baseball and basketball does isn't as great a strategy in football. Putting terrible players on the field will lead to injuries, less fan engagement ($$$), and hamstring the future team.

Maybe Baker isn't the guy, maybe he is. Baker's likely the best option right now and being mad at him because investments in him didn't pan out or he somehow caused Trask prices to tank doesn't take away his football ability. He's shown he can win games, something most QBs can't do.

What does this conversation have to do with Trask? Baker Mayfield is what he is. He shows some moments of excitement and then crashes back down to Earth. He's not taking a team deep in the playoffs or carrying a team on his back. He's been on like 4 teams in 5 years and there's a reason for that. He's a journeyman who's never lived up to expectations, and NONE of that has anything to do with Trask or any other QB- that's on him. Again, I am not a Bucs fan- if I was, I would not want to sign a guy who I already know what his ceiling is. I would take a chance on somebody different, but hey if you are happy signing a guy who's ceiling is already known (and it's not a Super bowl) then have at it. A year or two down the road you will be re-addressing this same situation saying "well Baker wasn't the answer".

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

What does this conversation have to do with Trask? Baker Mayfield is what he is. He shows some moments of excitement and then crashes back down to Earth. He's not taking a team deep in the playoffs or carrying a team on his back. He's been on like 4 teams in 5 years and there's a reason for that. He's a journeyman who's never lived up to expectations, and NONE of that has anything to do with Trask or any other QB- that's on him. Again, I am not a Bucs fan- if I was, I would not want to sign a guy who I already know what his ceiling is. I would take a chance on somebody different, but hey if you are happy signing a guy who's ceiling is already known (and it's not a Super bowl) then have at it. A year or two down the road you will be re-addressing this same situation saying "well Baker wasn't the answer".

Who would you take a chance on in 2024 that would be better than Mayfield? A journeyman who has won playoff games for multiple teams and came one drive short of the NFC championship game.