2024 Bucs Thread - Offseason and 2024 Season

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by majestik101

The hiring of Morris will likely not help the values of all your Desmond Ridder cards.

Sorry, not sorry NN

Why am I catching strays out here?

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I was? Stop lying. Where did I post that I was “confident”? Receipts please

You were doing a comparison of rosters and you said Cousins is Atlanta’s starter , you would not have included him if you didn’t think with at least some conviction that Atlanta was landing him

If Atlanta doesn’t land him, who are they landing? You keep saying whoever they bring in is better than Baker, there’s no other QB available that’s better than Baker other than cousins.

I’d love if Atlanta brought in like Russ, he’s not good. Fields is the only other potential option that is potentially better than Baker

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

You were doing a comparison of rosters and you said Cousins is Atlanta’s starter , you would not have included him if you didn’t think with at least some conviction that Atlanta was landing him

If Atlanta doesn’t land him, who are they landing? You keep saying whoever they bring in is better than Baker, there’s no other QB available that’s better than Baker other than cousins.

I’d love if Atlanta brought in like Russ, he’s not good. Fields is the only other potential option that is potentially better than Baker

I don’t want to go round and round with you.
Any QB that comes via free agency would be better than what the Falcons have and the coach would surely be better than the last one. If they get a competent QB the Falcons are going to run away with the division. And now the Bucs just lost Canales- do you think that they are better now without him?

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I don’t want to go round and round with you.
Any QB that comes via free agency would be better than what the Falcons have and the coach would surely be better than the last one. If they get a competent QB the Falcons are going to run away with the division. And now the Bucs just lost Canales- do you think that they are better now without him?

How quickly you change your tune, now it’s just it’ll be better than Ridder. And honestly I’m not sure how much of an upgrade Raheem Morris is considering they lost their DC in Ryan Nielsen who was a really good DC.

Yeah losing Canales is not ideal but hopefully they can promote from within or bring in someone with a similar system so there can be continuity.

You aren’t even a falcons fan so I’m just confused why you care so much

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

How quickly you change your tune, now it’s just it’ll be better than Ridder. And honestly I’m not sure how much of an upgrade Raheem Morris is considering they lost their DC in Ryan Nielsen who was a really good DC.

Yeah losing Canales is not ideal but hopefully they can promote from within or bring in someone with a similar system so there can be continuity.

You aren’t even a falcons fan so I’m just confused why you care so much

I have said multiple times, I am NOT a Falcons fan, I am however a fan of potent offenses, and they are a good QB shy of taking off

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I have said multiple times, I am NOT a Falcons fan, I am however a fan of potent offenses, and they are a good QB shy of taking off

Without taking QB into effect they aren’t even a top 5 skill position group in the NFC

SF
Dallas
Detroit
Philly
Rams

In no particular order

Nobody will say the falcons have a better core of skill players than those teams

After that I’d personally take Minnesota, Tampa, Seattle then Atlanta. So 9th of 15 teams. You can argue against those few teams sure.

Someone like Cousins will probably win them the division but they aren’t going to be some juggernaut offensive group

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Without taking QB into effect they aren’t even a top 5 skill position group in the NFC

SF
Dallas
Detroit
Philly
Rams

In no particular order

Nobody will say the falcons have a better core of skill players than those teams

After that I’d personally take Minnesota, Tampa, Seattle then Atlanta. So 9th of 15 teams. You can argue against those few teams sure.

Someone like Cousins will probably win them the division but they aren’t going to be some juggernaut offensive group

That's my point, they play in a weak division, and they will dominate when they get a QB

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

That's my point, they play in a weak division, and they will dominate when they get a QB

They certainly won’t dominate with Cousins. They would be slight favorites. Maybe. There’s a huge difference.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

That's my point, they play in a weak division, and they will dominate when they get a QB

They won’t

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

They won’t

So they won’t get a QB? They will just ride with what they have? Come on now

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

So they won’t get a QB? They will just ride with what they have? Come on now

I don’t think they’re going to get much better, because other than cousins and maybe Fields, there’s not a lot out there. I guess they could roll the dice with Minshew who has a good year but Steichen is a way above average offensive coach imo. Do they want to bring in Jameis? Jacoby Brissett? Ryan Tannehill? How much better are these guys than Heinecke or Ridder cuz I do think Heinecke should have started more games than Ridder

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I don’t think they’re going to get much better, because other than cousins and maybe Fields, there’s not a lot out there. I guess they could roll the dice with Minshew who has a good year but Steichen is a way above average offensive coach imo. Do they want to bring in Jameis? Jacoby Brissett? Ryan Tannehill? How much better are these guys than Heinecke or Ridder cuz I do think Heinecke should have started more games than Ridder

Drew Lock? The draft, there are other possibilities

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Drew Lock? The draft, there are other possibilities

I mean Drew Lock is not that much better than their current situation let’s be real. He couldn’t beat out Geno and Geno has been fine

Where they’re drafting, they aren’t landing Caleb Maye or Daniels. So they could draft Bo Nix or Penix but those guys as a rookie I would far from count on them being great right away

That’s my main point, all these guys especially the FA and such are the same. Heinecke or Jacoby Brissett, we are splitting hairs here

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I mean Drew Lock is not that much better than their current situation let’s be real. He couldn’t beat out Geno and Geno has been fine

Where they’re drafting, they aren’t landing Caleb Maye or Daniels. So they could draft Bo Nix or Penix but those guys as a rookie I would far from count on them being great right away

That’s my main point, all these guys especially the FA and such are the same. Heinecke or Jacoby Brissett, we are splitting hairs here

How do you know they aren't? In fact, it's very likely they are drafting a top QB, trading for one, or signing one (all of which would be a big step up)
Current order is:

Bears- Caleb probably
Commanders- Maye or Daniels probably
Patriots- Harrison/ Maye or Daniels Probably
Cardinals- Certainly not a QB
Chargers- certainly not a QB
Titans- certainly not a QB
Giants-Possibly a QB, but other needs
Falcons-QB

So in the first 7 picks before the Falcons, 3 of them are not taking a QB and one of them is taking Harrison. That leaves the only potential teams to grab a QB (barring a team trading up to get there) as Bears, Commanders, Patriots, Giants. If Giants do not go QB(and again no other team moves up)that allows one to fall to the Falcons at #8

Most people have these QBs ranked at:
Caleb
Maye
Daniels

Even if all of these guys are gone, Falcons may grab Nix or Penix, and all of the above assumes that a QB needy team above doesn't trade for one or sign a free agent. If that happens, a QB could certainly be there for the Falcons, or maybe they sign a Cousins, trade for Fields, etc- so no matter how you slice it, they are landing a much better QB than they already have, not sure how you are even making the case that they won't.

That leads to the question- what's the Bucs QB room look like? With Canales gone, does Baker(and Evans for that matter)stay?

By the way, from your comment above- I think Lock is better than Geno

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Drew Lock? The draft, there are other possibilities

HAHAHA Drew Lock? Yeah, Drew Lock is going to right the ship for ATL.

[Chris Lyle]

Going to stay out of the nonsense for once... Getting back to the Bucs anyone heard rumor of who we are looking at to replace Canales or is it to soon?

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Going to stay out of the nonsense for once... Getting back to the Bucs anyone heard rumor of who we are looking at to replace Canales or is it to soon?

Saw an article saying Thad Lewis the QB coach would be a logical choice. I don’t follow the Bucs super close though.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Saw an article saying Thad Lewis the QB coach would be a logical choice. I don’t follow the Bucs super close though.

I don't think that would be a bad choice.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

HAHAHA Drew Lock? Yeah, Drew Lock is going to right the ship for ATL.

Drew Lock is better than any QB on the Falcons roster. But they likely draft, trade for, or sign a bigger name, so still doesn't change the fact this division becomes theirs for the taking

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Saw an article saying Thad Lewis the QB coach would be a logical choice. I don’t follow the Bucs super close though.

Wasn't Thad Lewis Seneca Wallace's backup in Cleveland, or am I think of someone else.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Wasn't Thad Lewis Seneca Wallace's backup in Cleveland, or am I think of someone else.

Looks like he was there for a little. I only remember him in Buffalo. Im sure he bounced around.

Not going to lie at first I had him mixed up with Thaddeus Stevens, the college. SMH

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Going to stay out of the nonsense for once... Getting back to the Bucs anyone heard rumor of who we are looking at to replace Canales or is it to soon?

I don't blame you for wanting to avoid the nonsense. After a while it gives me a headache.

Latest rumor is that the Bucs have requested an interview with Rams QB coach Zac Robinson who had some success with Baker during his short stint in LA and is said to be Sean McVay 2.0

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Drew Lock is better than any QB on the Falcons roster. But they likely draft, trade for, or sign a bigger name, so still doesn't change the fact this division becomes theirs for the taking

Yeah, he's not.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I don't blame you for wanting to avoid the nonsense. After a while it gives me a headache.

Latest rumor is that the Bucs have requested an interview with Rams QB coach Zac Robinson who had some success with Baker during his short stint in LA and is said to be Sean McVay 2.0

Robinson could be interesting. Hoping that it ends up being someone that can pull Baker and Evans into staying.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Yeah, he's not.

Yeah, he IS- we can do this all day. I'll back my opinion up with a game winning drive by Lock with no time left on the clock throwing darts, that I have never seen Geno do, and certainly not seen any of the Falcons QBs do.
In case you need a reminder, here it is

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