First Buzz: 2023 Topps World Baseball Classic baseball cards

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

This is what's on the site

In fact every single relic on eBay says game-used on the card.

The back of every card has the dreaded “the relic contained in this card is not from any specific game, event or season”

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by bub838

The back of every card has the dreaded “the relic contained in this card is not from any specific game, event or season”

Right, but that's not what you said in the initial post.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Right, but that's not what you said in the initial post.

Typo on my part. I meant to say game used AND player worn in response to your comment about Ohtani GU’s. The qualifier on the back of the card doesn’t help either.

[cj828282]

Think we need an image variation guide for the base cards. There are no numbers on the back to differentiate. The only way I could tell is that the IV are not included in the base cards in the pack but in the back where the hits are.

[bub838]

Four boxes. These are fun.. might have to order some more...

[cj828282]

That's crazy! Nice pulls from 4.

[okumeister]

That Trea Turner is a really nice hit!

My 2 cases + 4 boxes should have arrived today...
I'll have some fun opening them up this week.

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by okumeister

That Trea Turner is a really nice hit!

My 2 cases + 4 boxes should have arrived today...
I'll have some fun opening them up this week.

Good luck with your break. Wish I would have picked up another case from Topps but had to settle on secondary market pricing.

[KhalDrogo]

That 1/1 confirms there’s another set coming IMO. They haven’t used the logos yet.

[okumeister]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

That 1/1 confirms there’s another set coming IMO. They haven’t used the logos yet.

I've heard rumors of WBC cards being made for chrome product and Dynasty.
But not sure if both of them will be stand alone products specifically for WBC, or be a subset of another product (like subset of the original Dynasty product).

[Trueblue]

Dilution of this nature is exactly why I'm contracting my core collection to <2018. Luckily, I love foilfractors.

[ThoseBackPages]

did these sell out yet?

[bub838]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

That 1/1 confirms there’s another set coming IMO. They haven’t used the logos yet.

The country flags are on the nameplate 1/1’s is that what you mean?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30532901646...mis&media=COPY

I mean, they can cut up as many game used jerseys as they have to make more sets.

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

did these sell out yet?

Looks like still available.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Looks like still available.

ha!

#ThanksTopps

[okumeister]

For those who opened the product, how do you tell the image variation cards vs. their regular cards?
There are no different codes on back or special numbering to tell them apart.

Do we just need to figure out by where the cards are placed in the stack and also compare that card with same player's other cards?

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by okumeister

For those who opened the product, how do you tell the image variation cards vs. their regular cards?
There are no different codes on back or special numbering to tell them apart.

Do we just need to figure out by where the cards are placed in the stack and also compare that card with same player's other cards?

Good question. If the cards are further back in the pack is the only way I could determine the Acuna IV. I think I have the Trout IV but it is too difficult to determine based on the cards listed on ebay. Very confusing. There are even parallels of both so can't determine that way either.

[njsportscardguy]

Originally Posted by bub838

The country flags are on the nameplate 1/1’s is that what you mean?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30532901646...mis&media=COPY

I mean, they can cut up as many game used jerseys as they have to make more sets.

With no disrespect, intended, I believe you're confused/mistaken. The Trea Turner 1/1 is, in fact,...GAME USED. The Aranda flag-patch card that you reference, is not. It has the 'ole dreaded...."not from any specific game, event, or season" notation (aka. This card has a piece of manufactured crap that was pulled...straight from the rack of our local Dick's Sporting Goods or directly from the MLB.com shop). The reply[ies] suggesting that possible iterations of 2023 WBC products may be coming down the pike, are based on the fact that the the MLB logoman patches weren't included in any of the past, 2023 WBC products.

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Good question. If the cards are further back in the pack is the only way I could determine the Acuna IV. I think I have the Trout IV but it is too difficult to determine based on the cards listed on ebay. Very confusing. There are even parallels of both so can't determine that way either.

What do you mean by the IV? I thought there was only one image variation.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

With no disrespect, intended, I believe you're confused/mistaken. The Trea Turner 1/1 is, in fact,...GAME USED. The Aranda flag-patch card that you reference, is not. It has the 'ole dreaded...."not from any specific game, event, or season" notation (aka. This card has a piece of manufactured crap that was pulled...straight from the rack of our local Dick's Sporting Goods or directly from the MLB.com shop). The reply[ies] suggesting that possible iterations of 2023 WBC products may be coming down the pike, are based on the fact that the the MLB logoman patches weren't included in any of the past, 2023 WBC products.

I think you are confused, and so am I. I believe every relic says game-used on the front and has the "not from anything" statement on the back, which is a strange combination and leaves room for guessing.

I have just about zero faith in any relic being what they're portrayed to be unless they have the MLB authentication hologram.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I think you are confused, and so am I. I believe every relic says game-used on the front and has the "not from anything" statement on the back, which is a strange combination and leaves room for guessing.

I have just about zero faith in any relic being what they're portrayed to be unless they have the MLB authentication hologram.

There is nothing confusing about the combination (i.e. no "room for guessing").

Game-used. Topps obtained it from a source (generally the team or the league) who certified to Topps that it was used, in a game, by that player. Period.

"Not from a specific event, game, season, etc." The source did not tell Topps which specific event, game, season, etc., it was used in. That's all this statement means. In no way does it have any bearing on the previous point.


You can, of course, doubt the veracity of the certification. But that doesn't mean the two points are contradictory.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

With no disrespect, intended, I believe you're confused/mistaken. The Trea Turner 1/1 is, in fact,...GAME USED. The Aranda flag-patch card that you reference, is not. It has the 'ole dreaded...."not from any specific game, event, or season" notation (aka. This card has a piece of manufactured crap that was pulled...straight from the rack of our local Dick's Sporting Goods or directly from the MLB.com shop). The reply[ies] suggesting that possible iterations of 2023 WBC products may be coming down the pike, are based on the fact that the the MLB logoman patches weren't included in any of the past, 2023 WBC products.

The Aranda says Game Used right on the front of the card. I don't know why people struggle so much with the "not from a specific game, season, event" language. That in no way means it's not game used. It simply means they aren't certifying which game it came from (like they do with the little sticker in some products). That is not the same as the "not associated with any specific player" language Panini uses.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by zworykin

There is nothing confusing about the combination (i.e. no "room for guessing").

Game-used. Topps obtained it from a source (generally the team or the league) who certified to Topps that it was used, in a game, by that player. Period.

"Not from a specific event, game, season, etc." The source did not tell Topps which specific event, game, season, etc., it was used in. That's all this statement means. In no way does it have any bearing on the previous point.


You can, of course, doubt the veracity of the certification. But that doesn't mean the two points are contradictory.

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

The Aranda says Game Used right on the front of the card. I don't know why people struggle so much with the "not from a specific game, season, event" language. That in no way means it's not game used. It simply means they aren't certifying which game it came from (like they do with the little sticker in some products). That is not the same as the "not associated with any specific player" language Panini uses.

What part of the language says it is associated with a specific player? That's an assumption I wouldn't trust Topps to deliver on without explicitly stating so.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Good question. If the cards are further back in the pack is the only way I could determine the Acuna IV. I think I have the Trout IV but it is too difficult to determine based on the cards listed on ebay. Very confusing. There are even parallels of both so can't determine that way either.

There's variation autos, too. Only way I could figure out was by looking at ebay listings which isn't a perfect science.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

What part of the language says it is associated with a specific player? That's an assumption I wouldn't trust Topps to deliver on without explicitly stating so.

Nothing, but it won't stop everyone from pontificating.