✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[theredmenace]

If Ohtani goes to the Jays, Topps please give me a Topps Canada flagship release with a maple leaf parallel /99

[rms13]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Now, if you're a bag holder, the downside scenario is his power is diminished next season due to his elbow surgery and he isn't selected as an All Star. Then in year two he has a setback or struggles while trying to pitch again.

I don't know if you are refering to me or the team that signs him as bag holder but I don't own any of his cards except maybe some commons. But you make a good point. Last time he had Tommy John it really took him two seasons before he was fully back. He hit ok in 2019 but not the level of the last couple of years. And 2020 he was bad at the plate and hit .190 but it's hard to judge that since it was the short covid season. So maybe offers aren't as high as he was expecting becasue teams are wary

[Trueblue]

pretty sure that any tailwind loss from his cards based on the assumption he'd become a dodger (if any) will be erased by spring excitement. There has been nothing but declines in his prices since September, so i would love for someone to show me the tangible hobby (price) benefit he got from becoming a presumed dodger. I don't know anyone that bought Sho cards because he was a lock to become a dodger.

[JWBlue]

Are there a lot of card collectors in Canada?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Shohei has absolutely zero need to sign a 1-2 year deal and hit free agency again. Even with the questions about his arm recovery, he's easily able to sign the biggest contract in MLB history, and it won't be particularly close

True, and it’s what I think will happen… but do you see him committing 10 years to Toronto with no opt out?

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’ll say it again since you apparently missed it.

The expectation from the hobby was that he was going to LA. Going to Toronto instead of LA is a hobby negative. He’s got less of a chance of winning, and he has to turn in greater performance since he will lack the LA market bump.

I didn’t miss it. I think your grandeur isn’t helping you understand that the hobby (and Ohtani’s place in it) just expanded and will be just fine. I haven’t seen Soto’s cards exploding since his trade. Collectors will do what they do and not what you think they’ll do.

Lots of Chicken Littles running around this place.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Triple B

I didn’t miss it. I think your grandeur isn’t helping you understand that the hobby (and Ohtani’s place in it) just expanded and will be just fine. I haven’t seen Soto’s cards exploding since his trade. Collectors will do what they do and not what you think they’ll do.

Lots of Chicken Littles running around this place.

I actually never understood the desire by some fanbases to add cards of a newly traded player that were made prior to him being on the team other than maybe a rookie card or rookie autograph. As a Yankees fan, I have no desire to collect any Soto cards prior to him being listed as a Yankee and/or in a Yankee uniform. Likewise, I won't be adding anymore Brito or Higgy cards once they are pictured in a Padres uniform.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Shohei has absolutely zero need to sign a 1-2 year deal and hit free agency again. Even with the questions about his arm recovery, he's easily able to sign the biggest contract in MLB history, and it won't be particularly close

Agreed, and I don't think Shohei wants to go through the FA circus again either. Not his style, so I'm thinking the Jays sign him to a long term deal.

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[JRX]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I actually never understood the desire by some fanbases to add cards of a newly traded player that were made prior to him being on the team other than maybe a rookie card or rookie autograph. As a Yankees fan, I have no desire to collect any Soto cards prior to him being listed as a Yankee and/or in a Yankee uniform. Likewise, I won't be adding anymore Brito or Higgy cards once they are pictured in a Padres uniform.

Like you said, rookie cards aren't going anywhere, but Soto cards 2019-2023 should go down. Same for Ohtani, his 2018 cards aren't going to lose value, but other years in Angels uni will prob be less desireable.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

True, and it’s what I think will happen… but do you see him commuting 10 years to Toronto with no opt out?

Better than commuting in LA, am I right?

Seriously -- I think if he signs a long-term deal, he's going to have at least one optout. It's the norm nowadays for superstar free-agent contracts. Plus, it's a total power move that someone who demands that team's keep total silence on his meetings with them would do.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Rage

And then in year 3,4,5 wins another 2x MVP

We've held through it before. 2019-2020 Actually was a great time to pick up his cards if you believed in his ability to recover.

If you're a collector, more power to you.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Better than commuting in LA, am I right?

Seriously -- I think if he signs a long-term deal, he's going to have at least one optout. It's the norm nowadays for superstar free-agent contracts. Plus, it's a total power move that someone who demands that team's keep total silence on his meetings with them would do.

I commute everyday in the Washington, DC area. One year I took the train out to LA to then drive to Vegas. After just 2 days in LA traffic, I told myself I would never again complain about Washington, D.C. Metro area traffic.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I actually never understood the desire by some fanbases to add cards of a newly traded player that were made prior to him being on the team other than maybe a rookie card or rookie autograph. As a Yankees fan, I have no desire to collect any Soto cards prior to him being listed as a Yankee and/or in a Yankee uniform. Likewise, I won't be adding anymore Brito or Higgy cards once they are pictured in a Padres uniform.

I don't get the whole Soto thing either. Feels like all the bagholders collectively got on the internet for one final pump and dump.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Better than commuting in LA, am I right?

Seriously -- I think if he signs a long-term deal, he's going to have at least one optout. It's the norm nowadays for superstar free-agent contracts. Plus, it's a total power move that someone who demands that team's keep total silence on his meetings with them would do.

Harper, Trout, and Judge all have no opt-outs and no-trade clauses put in their contracts. So I wouldn’t say it’s the norm for superstars. It’s not uncommon though.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I actually never understood the desire by some fanbases to add cards of a newly traded player that were made prior to him being on the team other than maybe a rookie card or rookie autograph. As a Yankees fan, I have no desire to collect any Soto cards prior to him being listed as a Yankee and/or in a Yankee uniform. Likewise, I won't be adding anymore Brito or Higgy cards once they are pictured in a Padres uniform.

But it's not just fans of a specific team that collect cards of players like Soto.....there are plenty of people who collect him because they think he's a star/future HOFer and don't really care which team he is currently playing for.

There are lots of other players who switched teams multiple times during their careers and fit into this category....Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Reggie Jackson, Rickey Henderson, Wade Boggs, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Albert Pujols, Miggy Cabrera, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, etc.

A lot of it depends on who accomplished what with which teams...the greatest demand generally tends to be for the team where the player became a star and/or accomplished the most.

Certain collectors may prefer their cards with a specific team, but it's not like their cards with other teams become uncollectible.

[Jaypers]

EDIT - scratch that.

[metsandweezer]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

If I lived in a betting state, I'd put a mortgage on the dodgers with those odds.

Hopefully you still have your house.

[shaqobe]

https://dodgersnation.com/shohei-oht...es/2023/12/08/

[Hollywood42]

Gonna need someone more official than Dodgers Nation dot com to break the news

[ClevelandIC]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol. Reasons you think for someone not caring about playing on a West Coast team are not relevant to how Shohei thinks.

Angels would be absolutely shocking given how he ended the season cleaning out his locker early. Zero chance of Blue Jays lol. Cubs can roll in if there's something to him that matters, that very well might that we haven't heard of yet, is him wanting to the undisputed god of a franchise. Dodgers are a crowded team.

It's hard to really buy the talk of a team "being out of it" when Shohei's agent has said teams leaking anything is a huge no no. I'm sticking with my original order of Dodgers, Mariners, Rangers, Braves, with a longshot Cubs. No one outside of those 5 has a chance

Originally Posted by Jaypers

He's chosen the Blue Jays.

I know a lot of people have BBases on their block list but this is a fun one.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

Hopefully you still have your house.

Went about as well as my playoffs predictions (Rays sweep Rangers) lol

[pezzicle]

DAMN SON

[amg2002]

Springer, Bichette, Ohtani, Vlad Jr. - I would not want to face the top of that lineup!

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

I know a lot of people have BBases on their block list but this is a fun one.

Par for the course on just about anything he says.

[theshowandme]

Jeff Passan just retweeted Alden Gonzalez at ESPN

NOT OFFICIAL... yet

https://x.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/...548447262?s=20