Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[evileddie]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Just got my living legend foil set back and every card was 8-9, which I expected. This set is extremely condition sensitive. I will next send my team pinnacle football set.

That is definitely a tough set to grade. I had a Jordan Living Legend in my sub and it got a 9, I was very happy.

[Y2Hood]

38 card personal bulk delivered 1/24 and shipping notification hit the evening of 1/31. Grades and scans are viewable on invoice.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Y2Hood

38 card personal bulk delivered 1/24 and shipping notification hit the evening of 1/31. Grades and scans are viewable on invoice.

Gives me renewed interest in sending on some lower value stuff to them.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Gives me renewed interest in sending on some lower value stuff to them.

The turnaround time and of course the slabs are very good. People just want discounts because the cards are not in PSA cases. The hobby wants better grading consistency, well most really don’t as long as they get PSA 10’s. I feel SGC AND CSG are more consistent and since I am not a fan of SGC cases I am using CSG MORE.

[Svabinsky78]

The overall hobby worship of PSA just makes it easier to pick up great cards in CSG and SGC slabs, even BVG, for a fraction of the price of a PSA card in the same grade. I picked up a Ron Santo rookie in CSG 7 (old green label) about a year ago for about half of what it sells in PSA 7 and, honestly, the CSG card looks just as good if not better than most PSA 7s I've seen on Ebay. I know that CSG has a reputation for being a tad softer on vintage, in particular when it comes to corners (they are still pretty strict, even with vintage, on centering and surface) but if you're buying the card and not, per se, the slab you can find some great CSG buys. There are some collectors that are so PSA biased that they'll scoff at a CSG, SGC, BVG/BGS card, just because it's not in a PSA slab. They assume, unfairly, that it is somehow an inferior card just because of the slab it is in when, in fact, if they'd bother to actually look at the card, its superior to many of its peers in a PSA slab. Their loss, other collectors' win

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Svabinsky78

The overall hobby worship of PSA just makes it easier to pick up great cards in CSG and SGC slabs, even BVG, for a fraction of the price of a PSA card in the same grade. I picked up a Ron Santo rookie in CSG 7 (old green label) about a year ago for about half of what it sells in PSA 7 and, honestly, the CSG card looks just as good if not better than most PSA 7s I've seen on Ebay. I know that CSG has a reputation for being a tad softer on vintage, in particular when it comes to corners (they are still pretty strict, even with vintage, on centering and surface) but if you're buying the card and not, per se, the slab you can find some great CSG buys. There are some collectors that are so PSA biased that they'll scoff at a CSG, SGC, BVG/BGS card, just because it's not in a PSA slab. They assume, unfairly, that it is somehow an inferior card just because of the slab it is in when, in fact, if they'd bother to actually look at the card, its superior to many of its peers in a PSA slab. Their loss, other collectors' win

For sure! When I am buying slabs, I rarely do since I grade many of my raw purchases. I can remember trying to pick up a Luka elite red RC to finish my gem mint base to blue rainbow. I bought a BGS 9.5 instead of a PSA 10. Why? One was $700 and the other was $1,400. It makes no sense. I have learned to use the disparity to my advantage when buying.

[grade]

CONTRADICTING thread.

If you say "buy the card not the slab" buy yet you are buying slabs.

a "7 csg vs 7 psa , yada yada. " Why not just forget buying a slab period. JUST BUY A RAW THAT LOOKS GREAT. and save even more money if your factoring costs. Lets face it, we all can grade lower end cards just as good a most graders. It is not rocket science. We all are paying for branding, identification skills, slabbing, protection, and all that rubbish.

Denial is messing with ya all minds. PSA gets the prices, yes CSG is great for cracking and resubbing to another TPG...

Read your own posts. It is pretty comical.

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by grade

CONTRADICTING thread.

If you say "buy the card not the slab" buy yet you are buying slabs.

a "7 csg vs 7 psa , yada yada. " Why not just forget buying a slab period. JUST BUY A RAW THAT LOOKS GREAT. and save even more money if your factoring costs. Lets face it, we all can grade lower end cards just as good a most graders. It is not rocket science. We all are paying for branding, identification skills, slabbing, protection, and all that rubbish.

Denial is messing with ya all minds. PSA gets the prices, yes CSG is great for cracking and resubbing to another TPG...

Read your own posts. It is pretty comical.

Yes, I do buy slabs....AND I send off my RAW cards to be slabbed, just because I like my cards in PC to be authenticated and encapsulated. And yes, I do look at the card first. I'd buy a nicer CSG 7 over a PSA 7 even if they were in the same ballpark price wise....then again, I mostly pick up cards for my PC, not to flip.

With PSA, it's just a vicious cycle. They used to be great, that's how they built their reputation. These days, they are mediocre at best....lousy costumer service, slowest turn around times, very very erratic, often unexplainable, grading (both ways)....YET....they still command the highest prices. Why? The continued support of the hobby. And the continued support exists even though the service is subpar. It's the dog chasing its tail. How many posts are there where you see people complain about ridiculous grades from PSA only to follow up with, "I guess I'll crack and resubmit...." If enough people did not resubmit and/or did not submit in the first place, it would be a reality check for PSA and it would eventually take a toll on their reputation and, consequently, the value of their brand...

They are, in some sense, like Rolex. They built a brand and, at this point, are living off the past brand reputation, not the current reality....if you know anything about the Swiss watchmaking industry, you'd know that there are many many many fantastic smaller watch manufacturers in Switzerland whose watches/mechanisms are just as solid, in some cases better, than Rolex...but you can get them for a fraction of a Rolex.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by grade

CONTRADICTING thread.

If you say "buy the card not the slab" buy yet you are buying slabs.

a "7 csg vs 7 psa , yada yada. " Why not just forget buying a slab period. JUST BUY A RAW THAT LOOKS GREAT. and save even more money if your factoring costs. Lets face it, we all can grade lower end cards just as good a most graders. It is not rocket science. We all are paying for branding, identification skills, slabbing, protection, and all that rubbish.

Denial is messing with ya all minds. PSA gets the prices,

Read your own posts. It is pretty comical.

Yours are the same.

In the end why do you cate so much about what others are doing? People should be able to buy and collect what they want without triggering you

You are clearly more of a reseller than collector that obvious you do you. Others should do what they want to as well

[YeahBuddy]

CSG to the moon!

[YeahBuddy]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Yours are the same.

In the end why do you cate so much about what others are doing? People should be able to buy and collect what they want without triggering you

Cause he is the troll of trolls who gets a rise coming to this thread only to THREAD CRAP.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

Cause he is the troll of trolls who gets a rise coming to this thread only to THREAD CRAP.

He has been suspended for his trolling and why most of us have him on ignore.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

He has been suspended for his trolling and why most of us have him on ignore.

Probably the best idea.

[grade]

The big thing you all forgot. I GRADED alot WITH CSG/CGC.

Talking about slabs i own . What is wrong with that.

Got suspended cause proved many here wrong and they complain to the mods cause the were proven wrong.



The denial is strong here. CSG is closer to GMA than PSA, BGS or SGC.

[shrevecity]

You are right ignoring him creates the best posts

[grade]

When you refuse to learn from everyone and anyone. Your the loser.

I learn alot reading these threads, try to improve my lazy and inefficient system . I admire some of the members that really are organized and keep track on all cards and numbers. But that is only part of a successful operation.

I block nobody. In fact i learn most from the fools that block me.

Remember , you learn nothing when a whole group thinks the same and agree on everything.


Success is a biatchhh

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

You are right ignoring him creates the best posts

My Robertson investment sub just popped. Red and white slab thread. Lol

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by grade

The denial is strong here. CSG is closer to GMA than PSA, BGS or SGC.

I will agree to disagree with you on that one.....if anything, CSG is pretty close to where BGS is.....a lot of folks that I know that are getting their collections graded/slabbed, many are submitting to CSG and SGC....for thicker/auto cards, BGS. I think CSG has taken firm roots with many collectors and is slowly establishing a name in the hobby....sure, you will have people that have their favorite, that are purists, and will scoff at any grading company that is not their company of choice...but, overall, CSG is slowly establishing a foothold...

They are not HGA, whose star has seemed to fade very very quickly, or GMA (are they still around?)....It's actually impressive how much people CSG has won over in the collecting community in such a short period of time....

Second tier...GMA, HGA, KSA, SCD, GAI, TAG.....

And then there is the "beware of" tier.....ISA, ASA, AGS, CSA, GEM, Mint Grading, PGC, PRO, FGA, CTA, Capitol Grading....these are companies known to grade fake cards, trimmed cards, etc.

[BlockShotStop]

I think if a certain member spent as much time reviewing the Chicago Manual of Style as he did spamming the grading boards, we'd all be better off.

[YeahBuddy]

Originally Posted by grade

When you refuse to learn from everyone and anyone. Your the loser.

I learn alot reading these threads, try to improve my lazy and inefficient system . I admire some of the members that really are organized and keep track on all cards and numbers. But that is only part of a successful operation.

I block nobody. In fact i learn most from the fools that block me.

Remember , you learn nothing when a whole group thinks the same and agree on everything.


Success is a biatchhh

I will never block you, because I want to be able to be here to respond to new people who come on and continually remind them that you will only be in this thread to thread crap and troll on CSG. You bring no positivity in this thread for the last year an when you did it was sarcastic trolling.

I dont complain to any mods, as a well versed admin of forum technology even this old outdated version of vbull if I sent a mod or admin any note it would be that of a plugin that allows the ability to BAN a member from replying in SPECIFIC threads. Not saying you should get banned outright, but you should DEFINITELY get THREAD BANNED from this thread as all you do is harass and suck out others enjoyment and spread FUD!

10 people tell Grade he's wrong ... Grade continues to tell everyone else how he is right ... look deep in the mirror ... why is 10 people telling you are wrong? Hmmmm maybe YOU'RE the problem. You must be a fun guy at work. lol

[Y2Hood]

Probably 12 years old, not old enough for COPPA, and lacks a developed frontal cortex to impede impulsive decisions like writing every troll thought he or she can come up with.

If this is an adult, that's a failure of society, the school system, and a case for selective breeding.

[grade]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

I will never block you, because I want to be able to be here to respond to new people who come on and continually remind them that you will only be in this thread to thread crap and troll on CSG. You bring no positivity in this thread for the last year an when you did it was sarcastic trolling.

I dont complain to any mods, as a well versed admin of forum technology even this old outdated version of vbull if I sent a mod or admin any note it would be that of a plugin that allows the ability to BAN a member from replying in SPECIFIC threads. Not saying you should get banned outright, but you should DEFINITELY get THREAD BANNED from this thread as all you do is harass and suck out others enjoyment and spread FUD!

10 people tell Grade he's wrong ... Grade continues to tell everyone else how he is right ... look deep in the mirror ... why is 10 people telling you are wrong? Hmmmm maybe YOU'RE the problem. You must be a fun guy at work. lol

The problem is i have more CGC/CSG slabs then most in this thread. Pretty sure i have more knowledge of how crapppy CSG/CGC is .

Most of you talk rubbish without even using other companies.

I DID A LOT OF BULK WITH THESE COMPANIES. Even told some managers off at the last show they was at.

[YeahBuddy]

I have used 5 different graders. all the big 4.

I continue to use CSG and PSA just depends on cards. And not because only certain cards should go to PSA, but more so matching up sets and such via slabs. Or parallels as such

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by grade

The problem is i have more CGC/CSG slabs then most in this thread.....Most of you talk rubbish without even using other companies.

Making lots of assumptions there, aren't you....

I have cards in SGC, PSA, BVG, BGS, and even a few older cards in the old red SDG Sports Digest slabs.

I am happy with my CSG slabs. Occasionally, a card will be under graded, occasionally the grader was generous (all the major grading companies have this...it is inevitable with a large team of graders and with grading being, to a certain extent subjective), but on the whole, I feel their grading is fair and consistent. I feel the same way about SGC and BGS, at least with the cards I have.

PSA, as of late especially, has been more erratic with their grading. I will pick up PSA slabs if the card looks right to me and the price is fair, but I will not go out of my way to seek a PSA only slab. I am more than happy to pick up a nice version in a CSG or SGC or even BVG slab. All of these, imo, are reputable companies.

[thewesdub]

Originally Posted by Y2Hood

If this is an adult, that's a failure of society, the school system, and a case for selective breeding.

I have thought that either english is not Grade’s first language or they arent in the US. Some of the syntax, typing, and verbiage marks them out.

Could just be 12 too.