2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts?

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

The box was previously "authenticated" by BBCE and that big guy is from BBCE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8lmQ5Ls6bw (one way to get 6+ million views on a video lol)

Here's a BO thread about this drama:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1500869&

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

Here's a BO thread about this drama:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1500869&

Thank you! Also sorry didn't mean to get off topic. My 9 year old was talking to me about Pokemon and spending millions...

[cp312]

Originally Posted by towerymt

But Topps didn't call those SPs, did they? (I only know what the checklist had, which is pretty meaningless...not sure if pack odds were given)

Two SPs per silver pack makes sense now, at this point in time. It doesn't seem likely that had they been packed out, that you would hit 2 per box. But if this silver pack distribution includes the entire retail allocation of SPs, then it should provide more than expected.

Can't wait to buy one in 2-3 months.

Originally Posted by rfgilles

I don't think that is true. There were never considered SP and had similar numbers as other base cards.

Vladdy NNO was 100% described and marketed as an SP, the others weren't from what I recall

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Number of cards produced is one thing. Maintaining the same seed rate is not necessarily correlated to production intended for multiple formats. By this logic, they would...destroy?....the quantity intended for lite/retail?

We simply don't know until the packs get opened. We also don't know the SP'ness of the ESPs, so we don't know if the initial intent was 1 per case, 5 per case (so all 5 on average), 1 per box, other?

I'm saying that I would not be surprised if each silver pack had two SPs. It's just one of the possible outcomes.

If each silver pack has two sp, it would become a DP (double print). You would get almost five of each player per case, which is higher than the number of base wanders you get per case on average.

[soicanbefree]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If each silver pack has two sp, it would become a DP (double print). You would get almost five of each player per case, which is higher than the number of base wanders you get per case on average.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by soicanbefree

I'm sure the pre-order folks are feeling like they got DP'd.

[soicanbefree]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

I'm sure the pre-order folks are feeling like they got DP'd.

Oh those silverpacks are gonna become a DP alright.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by soicanbefree

Oh those silverpacks are gonna become a DP alright.

LOL, do I get credit for an assist on this one, cause you definitely scored with that!

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by cp312

Vladdy NNO was 100% described and marketed as an SP, the others weren't from what I recall

Agree on NNO. The post I quoted had mentioned "the big 4" from 2019, referring to Chrome, as I understood it. The Chrome RCs were add-ons, but not listed as SPs on the checklist, and not SP'd as far as we know.

2019 Topps Series 2 checklist, listing NNO as SP:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=244

2019 Chrome vs 2022 Chrome checklists from Topps.
2019 -- not listed as SPs
2022 -- listed as SPs
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2255

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If each silver pack has two sp, it would become a DP (double print). You would get almost five of each player per case, which is higher than the number of base wanders you get per case on average.

How many base Wanders would come from Retail?

2 SPs per silver pack would work out pretty close to 'single print', considering only the hobby production. When considering the retail production, they would still be short printed relative to the rest of the set.

Even if every one of the 96 cards in a hobby box (24pk x 4 = 96, per BO) were a base card, that's just shy of 44% of the 220-card set (BO refers to a 200-card set, which is incorrect per the Topps checklist). I thought someone said about 75-80 base cards per hobby box but I don't recall. That's around 35% of the set.

Jumbo box is 156 cards (12pk x 13 = 156, per BO). 71% of the set, if they were all base. Let's say it's close to 65% of the set due to autos/parallels/inserts.

One hobby box and one jumbo box would give approximately one complete set worth of base. One silver pack of two SPs for each box would give 80% of the total SPs. 0.8 SPs per 1 base card. Then dilute that figure from there when adding in all the retail base that gets zero SPs.

I'm open to hearing any math that suggests 2 SPs per silver pack would make them *not* short prints relative to the base set.

Shipping out packs that each contain two SPs makes the most sense for Topps to get the missing cards into circulation.

• It doesn't replicate the intended seeding.
• It doesn't distribute them fairly to all customers.
• It theoretically should be the easiest to pack out (100% SPs, just don't put two of the same one in the same pack).
• It takes the least planning and doesn't eat into their reserves of replacements, if they keep such stock on hand (someone thought they might rip cases to get loose cards to insert into these packs, that sounds crazy to me).

Someone start a poll, what will the silver packs contain? There are too many Judge threads and not enough '22 Chrome threads.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Agree on NNO. The post I quoted had mentioned "the big 4" from 2019, referring to Chrome, as I understood it. The Chrome RCs were add-ons, but not listed as SPs on the checklist, and not SP'd as far as we know.

2019 Topps Series 2 checklist, listing NNO as SP:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=244

2019 Chrome vs 2022 Chrome checklists from Topps.
2019 -- not listed as SPs
2022 -- listed as SPs
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2255


How many base Wanders would come from Retail?

2 SPs per silver pack would work out pretty close to 'single print', considering only the hobby production. When considering the retail production, they would still be short printed relative to the rest of the set.

Even if every one of the 96 cards in a hobby box (24pk x 4 = 96, per BO) were a base card, that's just shy of 44% of the 220-card set (BO refers to a 200-card set, which is incorrect per the Topps checklist). I thought someone said about 75-80 base cards per hobby box but I don't recall. That's around 35% of the set.

Jumbo box is 156 cards (12pk x 13 = 156, per BO). 71% of the set, if they were all base. Let's say it's close to 65% of the set due to autos/parallels/inserts.

One hobby box and one jumbo box would give approximately one complete set worth of base. One silver pack of two SPs for each box would give 80% of the total SPs. 0.8 SPs per 1 base card. Then dilute that figure from there when adding in all the retail base that gets zero SPs.

I'm open to hearing any math that suggests 2 SPs per silver pack would make them *not* short prints relative to the base set.

Shipping out packs that each contain two SPs makes the most sense for Topps to get the missing cards into circulation.

• It doesn't replicate the intended seeding.
• It doesn't distribute them fairly to all customers.
• It theoretically should be the easiest to pack out (100% SPs, just don't put two of the same one in the same pack).
• It takes the least planning and doesn't eat into their reserves of replacements, if they keep such stock on hand (someone thought they might rip cases to get loose cards to insert into these packs, that sounds crazy to me).

Someone start a poll, what will the silver packs contain? There are too many Judge threads and not enough '22 Chrome threads.

Now you are assuming they will print based on production run.

They could print as much as they want - it’s free money. They can overproduce and no one would know the difference.

We will only know relatively accurate numbers after people start breaking them.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Now you are assuming they will print based on production run.

They could print as much as they want - it’s free money. They can overproduce and no one would know the difference.

We will only know relatively accurate numbers after people start breaking them.

I don't follow. I am not assuming that Topps produces more silver packs than hobby/jumbo boxes. I am also not assuming that Topps is selling the silver packs. So what exactly are they over-producing for free money?

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Topps took a major problem and actually made it worse! That's pretty tough to do.

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[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Of course they are. Topps took a major problem and actually made it worse! That's pretty tough to do.

Not at all. It's very easy when there's no one at the helm.

[eastbayak]

A Topps CS representative doesn't know if lite boxes will get a silver pack.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by cp312

Vladdy NNO was 100% described and marketed as an SP, the others weren't from what I recall

That was for 2019 series 2 and not Topps Chrome.

[notfast]

People gonna be real mad when they get two off center base cards in their silver pack

[timber63401]

Any idea when Target will ship or when they start showing up at Walmart?

[cardsin47]

As others have eluded to, at this point, any resolution with these Silver Packs will have a lot of bitter Collectors once the dust settles:

Silver Pack with no SP RC’s ~ “thanks for nothing!”
Silver Pack with 1 or more SP RC’s ~ “these are everywhere…. so much for SP!”

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by notfast

People gonna be real mad when they get too off center base cards in their silver pack

Haha. That's a third round of love that is just waiting in the weeds...

[theshowandme]

Michael Rubin, CEO of Fanatics, addresses Topps and Topps Chrome in this video (well, not really, but it is quite bizarre)

https://twitter.com/michaelrubin/sta...RA2wpdrn-Oz_nw

[ThoseBackPages]

none today

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Michael Rubin, CEO of Fanatics, addresses Topps and Topps Chrome in this video (well, not really, but it is quite bizarre)

https://twitter.com/michaelrubin/sta...RA2wpdrn-Oz_nw

Really? It makes tons of sense to me and wish I realized it 10 years ago (saying to take profits/not get too greedy in different terms)

[JoshMN]

Poor Wander. He was a hobby darling a few months back. People thought he could support this product on his own at one point. Now his face is the face of failure. Might be unfair to him, but the picture on these boxes is going to trigger certain reflexes in people for months or perhaps even years to come.

[CircleTheWagon]

Originally Posted by timber63401

Any idea when Target will ship or when they start showing up at Walmart?

My Wally had a case out this morning.

[KhalDrogo]

Crazy to see Prizm BKB on the shelves.