2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts? - Page 185

OneSickDegen · 09-21-2022, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Cool. Everyone should collect what they like. But collectors weren't ripping $300 hobby boxes.

Breakers "collect" $300 hobby boxes yo.

hermanotarjeta · 09-21-2022, 10:40 AM

The odds will be based on how topps originally intended to insert them.

If two sp per case, the silver pack odds will be one every six packs. (Estimated print run or EPR 8000 cards per player).

If one sp per case, the silver pack odds will be one every twelve packs. (EPR 4000 cards per player).

If one sp per two cases, the silver pack odds will be one every 24 packs. (EPR 2000 cards per player).

Of course, topps could print as many of these as they want since they aren’t in any sealed boxes, so buyer beware.

towerymt · 09-21-2022, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by smanzari

Pretty certain "SP" is a super loose term here, Tatis/Eloy/Vlad/Alonso were all referred to the same way and you'd get like 2-3 a hobby box.

But Topps didn't call those SPs, did they? (I only know what the checklist had, which is pretty meaningless...not sure if pack odds were given)

Two SPs per silver pack makes sense now, at this point in time. It doesn't seem likely that had they been packed out, that you would hit 2 per box. But if this silver pack distribution includes the entire retail allocation of SPs, then it should provide more than expected.

Can't wait to buy one in 2-3 months.

towerymt · 09-21-2022, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The odds will be based on how topps originally intended to insert them.

Why??

BayAreaChris · 09-21-2022, 10:52 AM

Sorry if I missed this but Topps took down hobby boxes and cases, and jumbo from the website. Kept up blasters and lite.

Take it for what it’s worth but assume they took them down until the silver packs are near ready.

OneSickDegen · 09-21-2022, 10:52 AM

Singles market is strong and perhaps the biggest benefit is being able to see your cards before you pay for them. Just a thought since QC is notoriously bad these days.

Zauron · 09-21-2022, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

People are excited they may be in every pack (which they wont)...but do they realize that if everyone has them...there's no value?

There never was going to be any value in the base. These were always going to have a high print run, people need to accept that and realize that. The only value would be parallels, but there is none.

The print runs on these are going to be way higher than the series 2 SP print runs.

They were also supposed to be in retail, but aren't, indicating the print run would be sky high

hermanotarjeta · 09-21-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

Why??

They produced a specific number of cards intended to insert into hobby/jumbo and possibly retail/lite boxes.

JoshMN · 09-21-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

But if this silver pack distribution includes the entire retail allocation of SPs, then it should provide more than expected.

Can't wait to buy one in 2-3 months.

Seems to be the case given the communications. The SPs should have been in retail- there was nothing to indicate they were hobby only until the snafu. Now the SPs appear to be hobby only, so they could give them out to everybody that bought hobby and the total print run would still be SP by a reasonable definition when you factor in all the retail in the total print run.

Yaga · 09-21-2022, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

They produced a specific number of cards intended to insert into hobby/jumbo and possibly retail/lite boxes.

That's a MASSIVE assumption

cj828282 · 09-21-2022, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CxL

Soooo with all the blasters getting ripped and Lite boxes confirmed to not have them. Did they even make it into any SKU?

Where does it state lite boxes do no thave the SPs? Don't think any boxes have been opened yet.

hermanotarjeta · 09-21-2022, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Yaga

That's a MASSIVE assumption

Of course they could always print as much as they want or as little as they want, but based on their intention to insert these into hobby and jumbo boxes initially, it’s a fair assessment.

What do you think they are going to do?

mc1 · 09-21-2022, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

There never was going to be any value in the base. These were always going to have a high print run, people need to accept that and realize that. The only value would be parallels, but there is none.

The print runs on these are going to be way higher than the series 2 SP print runs.

They were also supposed to be in retail, but aren't, indicating the print run would be sky high

Ok, so if these SP base rookies arent going to have that much value, why the pitchforks and outrage? So much drama.

speedyjg13 · 09-21-2022, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mc1

Ok, so if these SP base rookies arent going to have that much value, why the pitchforks and outrage? So much drama.

Because we are assuming they will be very limited

JoshMN · 09-21-2022, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mc1

Ok, so if these SP base rookies arent going to have that much value, why the pitchforks and outrage? So much drama.

Because people like drama, pitchforks, and outrage. They were called "extended base short prints" in the checklist. Nobody actually knew how many there were going to be, so assumptions about value are misplaced.

Yaga · 09-21-2022, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Of course they could always print as much as they want or as little as they want, but based on their intention to insert these into hobby and jumbo boxes initially, it’s a fair assessment.

What do you think they are going to do?

Who knows! Everything I thought would happen with 2022 TC has been completely wrong anyways. They could print a limited supply. They could load these things up with SP. They could print a ton and backdoor them. There are a million scenarios and honestly right now there's no reason to put ANY faith in Topps doing the right thing anymore.

Asian62150 · 09-21-2022, 11:21 AM

Technically, if Topps made 100,000 of each base card and made 99,999 of each 221-225, they'd still be SP, right?

JoshMN · 09-21-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

Technically, if Topps made 100,000 of each base card and made 99,999 of each 221-225, they'd still be SP, right?

Yep, those would technically be "extended base short prints"

bankdawg · 09-21-2022, 11:23 AM

I just have a feeling these silver packs will be more than just base. Fanatics has shown they will make things right. For example, the Arozarena/Meadows fake auto, they went way above and beyond fixing that. If there's 2 base cards of nobodies in these packs it will piss a lot of people off. Why did they even come up with a pack with 2 cards? Why not just create packs that fit the regular format if its just base?

If they put 2 SP rookies in each pack, that will also piss people off, they would make them anti-SP.

I just have a feeling fanatics will make this right.

blackbears86 · 09-21-2022, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

To get people to buy more hobby boxes, right?

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Originally Posted by bankdawg

I just have a feeling these silver packs will be more than just base. Fanatics has shown they will make things right. For example, the Arozarena/Meadows fake auto, they went way above and beyond fixing that. If there's 2 base cards of nobodies in these packs it will piss a lot of people off. Why did they even come up with a pack with 2 cards? Why not just create packs that fit the regular format if its just base?

If they put 2 SP rookies in each pack, that will also piss people off, they would make them anti-SP.

I just have a feeling fanatics will make this right.

But how? You laid out the scenario:

print run on the rookies is limited: people are pissed because they got base in their silver packs.

print run on the rookies is Not limited: people are pissed because it dilutes the values of the rookies.

Personally, I hope the sp's are severely limited.

rfgilles · 09-21-2022, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by smanzari

Pretty certain "SP" is a super loose term here, Tatis/Eloy/Vlad/Alonso were all referred to the same way and you'd get like 2-3 a hobby box.

Last time they were really SPs was like 2015 (besides the "Kelenic SSP" that didn't exist last year)

I don't think that is true. There were never considered SP and had similar numbers as other base cards.

Bosoxfan5990 · 09-21-2022, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bankdawg

I just have a feeling these silver packs will be more than just base. Fanatics has shown they will make things right. For example, the Arozarena/Meadows fake auto, they went way above and beyond fixing that. If there's 2 base cards of nobodies in these packs it will piss a lot of people off. Why did they even come up with a pack with 2 cards? Why not just create packs that fit the regular format if its just base?

If they put 2 SP rookies in each pack, that will also piss people off, they would make them anti-SP.

I just have a feeling fanatics will make this right.

Yeah but there were what, 100-200 fake Arozarena/Meadows fake autos max? There are many more than 100-200 hobby/jumbo boxes this affected.

jjo1776 · 09-21-2022, 12:06 PM

Looks like LITE boxes have been taken down off the website

oddstuff · 09-21-2022, 12:07 PM

Probably the only way they can make everyone happy is to do 2 SPs in each 2pack...and then also print new serially numbered color parallels..."previously unannounced"...and randomly inserting those...but that's giving too much credit for Topps doing something above and beyond.

cj828282 · 09-21-2022, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jjo1776

Looks like LITE boxes have been taken down off the website

Back up.

09-21-2022, 11:21 AM	#4617
Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,880 Asian62150	Technically, if Topps made 100,000 of each base card and made 99,999 of each 221-225, they'd still be SP, right? __________________ IG: Asian62150

09-21-2022, 10:40 AM	#4602
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 23,033	The odds will be based on how topps originally intended to insert them. If two sp per case, the silver pack odds will be one every six packs. (Estimated print run or EPR 8000 cards per player). If one sp per case, the silver pack odds will be one every twelve packs. (EPR 4000 cards per player). If one sp per two cases, the silver pack odds will be one every 24 packs. (EPR 2000 cards per player). Of course, topps could print as many of these as they want since they aren’t in any sealed boxes, so buyer beware.

09-21-2022, 10:52 AM	#4605
BayAreaChris Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1,182	Sorry if I missed this but Topps took down hobby boxes and cases, and jumbo from the website. Kept up blasters and lite. Take it for what it’s worth but assume they took them down until the silver packs are near ready.

09-21-2022, 10:52 AM	#4606
OneSickDegen Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: KCMO -> LV Posts: 1,467	Singles market is strong and perhaps the biggest benefit is being able to see your cards before you pay for them. Just a thought since QC is notoriously bad these days.

09-21-2022, 11:23 AM	#4619
bankdawg Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: South Georgia Posts: 2,775 KryptonFanfare bankdawg	I just have a feeling these silver packs will be more than just base. Fanatics has shown they will make things right. For example, the Arozarena/Meadows fake auto, they went way above and beyond fixing that. If there's 2 base cards of nobodies in these packs it will piss a lot of people off. Why did they even come up with a pack with 2 cards? Why not just create packs that fit the regular format if its just base? If they put 2 SP rookies in each pack, that will also piss people off, they would make them anti-SP. I just have a feeling fanatics will make this right.

09-21-2022, 12:06 PM	#4623
jjo1776 Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: TX Posts: 2,859	Looks like LITE boxes have been taken down off the website

09-21-2022, 12:07 PM	#4624
oddstuff Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: CA Posts: 5,260	Probably the only way they can make everyone happy is to do 2 SPs in each 2pack...and then also print new serially numbered color parallels..."previously unannounced"...and randomly inserting those...but that's giving too much credit for Topps doing something above and beyond.