Durant requests a trade

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The Nets are not trading Durant for a pile of mediocre players and picks. He’ll play for Brooklyn or they will get exactly what they want.

The Nets are only going to get a pile of mediocre players and picks. There is no other viable trade package. No one is trading a franchise player for 34 year old Durant with the injury history and baggage.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

The Nets are only going to get a pile of mediocre players and picks. There is no other viable trade package. No one is trading a franchise player for 34 year old Durant with the injury history and baggage.

Oh right. Because he wasn’t one of the game’s best player last year outside of a fluke injury.

The legitimacy of the league is jeopardized if they continue to allow superstars to be traded for heaps of trash because the superstar is a crybaby who doesn’t want to fulfill his contract.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Oh right. Because he wasn’t one of the game’s best player last year outside of a fluke injury.

The legitimacy of the league is jeopardized if they continue to allow superstars to be traded for heaps of trash because the superstar is a crybaby who doesn’t want to fulfill his contract.

Most injuries are fluke injuries. Some guys tend to accumulate them for one reason or another, especially as they advance in age. Achilles one year, skip an entire season, hamstring the next year, knee the year after that. Fluke or not, injuries take a toll.

No one said Durant wasn't one of the best players in the game, or that he still isn't. But there's a difference between being one of the best at 27, always playing 70+ games, and carrying minimal baggage from the current version of KD. KD is still one of the best players in the game... at 34 with three consecutive playing seasons of lower body injuries and a real concern that what he's doing to the Nets could happen to your team. The list of pros and cons with Durant doesn't begin and end at "elite player." I think teams are willing to overlook the injuries and baggage, but there's still the reality that you may only have a worthwhile version of him for a handful of years.

I entirely agree with the last paragraph, but I don't make the rules. Players want it both ways where if things are going well they'll ride out the contract, but if things go south they want out. Shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways. That's the entire point of a contract. I assume at least some players still believe this.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

New Orleans unwilling to trade Brandon Ingram for kd.

NO is probably either afraid of the toxicity that KD might bring with him. He's got some baggage. He's a very diva-ish player with his demands. It's a concern no matter where he lands. Or they might not want him stealing/blocking Zion's thunder. That could be another concern they may have. I know if i were a GM both of those things would be in the back of my mind.

All of that aside Durant is still a heck of a player. The Nets want a star or semi-star player in return and i think they'll get it or else he stays in Brooklyn. I don't know if the Celtics trade has completely fallen apart i haven't been following it lately. And i don't know what other pieces were involved in the possible Ingram trade. But you would think if that trade fell through then Brooklyn might reconsider a lesser trade with Boston now. The one with Brown,White and a future pick. Supposedly Brooklyn wanted Smart instead of White. But it might be the best offer they get.

I'm not super crazy about all of the bad things that surround KD and him bringing it to the Celtics but he is a very good player. Him replacing Brown would definitely be an upgrade in the playoffs. I don't know how durable or how many games he'd play in the regular season though.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Oh right. Because he wasn’t one of the game’s best player last year outside of a fluke injury.

The legitimacy of the league is jeopardized if they continue to allow superstars to be traded for heaps of trash because the superstar is a crybaby who doesn’t want to fulfill his contract.

He's tanking his own value because of this tantrum he's having - which is also likely going to lead to quite a bit of arguing during the next lockout, er bargaining agreement.

If he only wants to be traded to the top teams, and uh, doesn't want those teams to lose their cores in the process of acquiring him, [because remember he can't win without being on loaded teams] ... then how valuable is he actually?

If he doesn't pull teams up to contention and doesn't get mediocre teams over the hump, and at the same time is a 'flight risk' or holdout waiting to happen, then most GM's in their right minds can't trade for him.

OK so he can guarantee a top 2 seed gets a ring - this is basically what he's posturing for / arguing. Tsai is either going to get so annoyed with him that he lets him go for 'cheap' or he's going to tell him to man up and honor his contract. At this point the very small middle ground has shrunk to basically non-existent.

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I'm not sure exactly what they have to do, though. Maxey, Thybulle, Tobias, and picks. I assume that's the package it will take to get it done, but I'm not sure what the Nets are asking for.

It's a tough call, but I think it's worth trying to add Durant for 3-4 years and make a hard run at the title. The injuries that Embiid is accumulating tend to hurt more as you age. He left the playoffs with a broken face and needing surgery on both hands this past season. More wear and tear is inevitable for the upcoming season.

This is a horrible package man. Who would take that crap over Jaylon Brown + change. That 76ers package is a bunch of loose change for a Benjamin.

76ers gotta give up Embiid at the bare minimum. That is literally the only player of only real trade value. Don't gimme that Maxey crap.

[sportzluvr1]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

This is a horrible package man. Who would take that crap over Jaylon Brown + change. That 76ers package is a bunch of loose change for a Benjamin.

76ers gotta give up Embiid at the bare minimum. That is literally the only player of only real trade value. Don't gimme that Maxey crap.

One of KD burner accounts

[RogerGodahell]

White is a very good role player, like really good. I don't care what his stats show or don't show on paper. In addition to what he brings on offense, he's not the greatest shooter statistically but he's really quick. He's sneakingly faster than everyone on the court, he's a hustle player that comes up with some big timely defensive plays. Smart is a better defender obviously but White is no slouch himself. They're about a tie offensively. So Brooklyn would be getting 2 good players and a pick. Honestly i would be happy wither either player White or Smart.

[Kingofkings1281]

It looks like the Grizzlies are making a push to get Durant. I guess they offered 4 unprotected first round picks and a protected first they got from GS. Apparently Brooklyn wants JJJ in the deal though.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

It looks like the Grizzlies are making a push to get Durant. I guess they offered 4 unprotected first round picks and a protected first they got from GS. Apparently Brooklyn wants JJJ in the deal though.

I just can't see the Nets trading Durant for a pile of late round 1 picks without getting an all star (or near all star) player back.

The team is in no position to tank, so any deal they do needs to give them some win-now potential. Otherwise they just keep holding on to KD and call his bluff.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I just can't see the Nets trading Durant for a pile of late round 1 picks without getting an all star (or near all star) player back.

The team is in no position to tank, so any deal they do needs to give them some win-now potential. Otherwise they just keep holding on to KD and call his bluff.

The Grizzlies don’t want to part with either Desmond Bane or JJJ in the deal, but if I’m Memphis I would strongly consider including Bane and another young guy in the deal if it nets you Durant. The trio of Ja, KD, and JJJ would be awesome to see.

[Dame]

JJJ can't stay healthy, grab rebounds, stretch the floor as a supposed floor stretching big, or defend without fouling.

Bane just shot 48% from 3 and 90% from the line in his 2nd year

[Giantrobot]

I would trade either of them. Never been high on JJJ myself.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

This is a horrible package man. Who would take that crap over Jaylon Brown + change. That 76ers package is a bunch of loose change for a Benjamin.

76ers gotta give up Embiid at the bare minimum. That is literally the only player of only real trade value. Don't gimme that Maxey crap.

Every trade package for KD is horrible. That's why he still hasn't been traded. That's what the Sixers have to offer. You're not even close if you think any team is trading their top player for KD, let alone a guy as valuable as Embiid. The Nets can't get the Pelicans to give up Ingram, the Griz to give up Bane or JJJ, the Raptors to give up Barnes, etc. In the land of players teams are willing to trade for KD, a package that includes Maxey, Thybulle, and Tobias Harris is pretty solid.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Every trade package for KD is horrible. That's why he still hasn't been traded. That's what the Sixers have to offer. You're not even close if you think any team is trading their top player for KD, let alone a guy as valuable as Embiid. The Nets can't get the Pelicans to give up Ingram, the Griz to give up Bane or JJJ, the Raptors to give up Barnes, etc. In the land of players teams are willing to trade for KD, a package that includes Maxey, Thybulle, and Tobias Harris is pretty solid.

Man, a roster of
-Maxey
-Thybulle
-Harris, and
-Ben Simmons

in Brooklyn would be a trip

[duron]

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

One of KD burner accounts

75-80% chance it's a pbm. Check his other posts.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Man, a roster of
-Maxey
-Thybulle
-Harris, and
-Ben Simmons

in Brooklyn would be a trip

Can't forget Seth Curry. Basically half the Sixers roster from a few years ago.

[kd the sniper]

Bane would be the keeper for memphis.. JJJ, just and only because of injury, would be the odd man out. Not because of talent at all. Kd has the injury bug as well... So who cares til something/nothing happens. This has gone on for waaay to long! A little annoying at this point, but interesting at the same time

[daeve]

Originally Posted by Dame

JJJ can't stay healthy

78 games played last year - Ja has never played more than 67 in a season and KD has matched 78 once since 2013...

Originally Posted by Dame

grab rebounds,

Not what he's tasked to do the majority of the time he's on the floor

Originally Posted by Dame

stretch the floor as a supposed floor stretching big,

your only point that makes a lick of sense - yes he went down last year % wise compared to his first two seasons.

Originally Posted by Dame

or defend without fouling.

1st Team All-Defense says otherwise...? As a 22YO he was also the youngest player on 1st team - he'll get better at controlling his body.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by daeve

78 games played last year - Ja has never played more than 67 in a season and KD has matched 78 once since 2013....

I mean if you want to be slick about it.



JJJ has missed 51% of his games during his first 3 seasons. He played 11 games in 2020.



78 games is an outlier in his pro career.


Isn't he undergoing another surgery that will take 4-8 months to heal? So he'll miss another 20 this upcoming season?

Originally Posted by daeve

Not what he's tasked to do the majority of the time he's on the floor

Ok, so he’s asked to stretch the floor on offense which he’s horrible at both last season (41% FG) inside the arc and (31%) outside, all that bricking as he cleans the board at about the same rate as Steph Curry.

Originally Posted by daeve

1st Team All-Defense says otherwise...? As a 22YO he was also the youngest player on 1st team - he'll get better at controlling his body.

He’s a defensive monster but what good is it if he can’t stay on the floor? He’s either missing games due to injuries or he’s fouling at an absurd rate of 7.8 fouls per 36 minutes where it matters -in the postseason.



He's averaging almost 8 fouls in just 3 quarters worth of play. Let that sink in.




Listen, both players are equally important for Memphis, I'd heavily lean towards JJJ if he's not often in street clothes. I’m saying I'd rather pick a highly efficient guard and as a bonus, he's healthy and is under a rookie scale contract. Don't think this trade talk had real legs anyway.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by Dame

I mean if you want to be slick about it.



JJJ has missed 51% of his games during his first 3 seasons. He played 11 games in 2020.



78 games is an outlier in his pro career.


Isn't he undergoing another surgery that will take 4-8 months to heal? So he'll miss another 20 this upcoming season?




Ok, so he’s asked to stretch the floor on offense which he’s horrible at both last season (41% FG) inside the arc and (31%) outside, all that bricking as he cleans the board at about the same rate as Steph Curry.







He’s a defensive monster but what good is it if he can’t stay on the floor? He’s either missing games due to injuries or he’s fouling at an absurd rate of 7.8 fouls per 36 minutes where it matters -in the postseason.



He's averaging almost 8 fouls in just 3 quarters worth of play. Let that sink in.




Listen, both players are equally important for Memphis, I'd heavily lean towards JJJ if he's not often in street clothes. I’m saying I'd rather pick a highly efficient guard and as a bonus, he's healthy and is under a rookie scale contract. Don't think this trade talk had real legs anyway.

lol the outlier year is the year he played 11. Most players probably would've been shelved the whole year....

In the other three seasons JJJ has played 193 games - to Ja's 187.

JJJ is due back either end of October or by xmas at the latest. Haven't seen "8 months" listed anywhere.

He's asked to stretch the floor because Ja works best in the paint and the dynamic has been working for them. The team was even better last year despite JJJ shooting worse from 3 - give some credit to Bane for that, and a nod to Adams and Z as well.

Memphis won't trade him or Bane for KD - they know that'd be a step backwards in their development. I think they could make a compelling offer anyway with all the picks they can throw at the Nets, but I don't think they'll end up as the KD trade partner either way, so the point is kind of moot.

[Brobocop]

Breaking: Kevin Durant has reached an agreement with the Brooklyn Nets to stay in Brooklyn, the team announced.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Breaking: Kevin Durant has reached an agreement with the Brooklyn Nets to stay in Brooklyn, the team announced.

I thought this was a joke but it's legit:

"[Coach] Steve Nash and I, together with [governors] Joe Tsai and Clara Wu Tsai, met with Kevin Durant and Rich Kleiman in Los Angeles yesterday," Marks said in a statement. "We have agreed to move forward with our partnership. We are focusing on basketball, with one collective goal in mind: build a lasting franchise to bring a championship to Brooklyn."

Not really surprising.

[tnvolfan16]

Originally Posted by theleica

I thought this was a joke but it's legit:

"[Coach] Steve Nash and I, together with [governors] Joe Tsai and Clara Wu Tsai, met with Kevin Durant and Rich Kleiman in Los Angeles yesterday," Marks said in a statement. "We have agreed to move forward with our partnership. We are focusing on basketball, with one collective goal in mind: build a lasting franchise to bring a championship to Brooklyn."

Not really surprising.

in laymans terms: "no one was willing to overpay us for this headache of a player and durant was tired of being portrayed as a child, so we have decided to move on together"

[oldgoldy97]

Or Kevin took his meds and came to his senses.