Star Co. Basketball is Hottt!

[90skid]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

PSA 8 at the National just sold for 100k! Wow!

Yeah, guess who the buyer was:

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

FYI, I can afford one buddy. I just choose not to buy one.

Well what are you waiting for it’s only going up! Any true Jordan collector has to have one and with 3000 made that’s some slim pickings!

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by 90skid

Yeah, guess who the buyer was:

Oh brother. Can he just go away. You had your 15.

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[dengbang]

If this isn't the time to sell your Star RC, I don't know when it would be a good time to sell it.

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[duron]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Well what are you waiting for it’s only going up! Any true Jordan collector has to have one and with 3000 made that’s some slim pickings!

Hellcat is back, baby

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 90skid

Yeah, guess who the buyer was:

lmaoooooooooooooo

is that hairytrojan in the background? What a 6'3" ripped, all muscle, 300 pound, power lifting beast.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by duron

Hellcat is back, baby

I’ve been here since I joined up. Where have you been? Do you have a Star 101? I hope so!

[Spfld Ponies]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Information on Star cards is readily available to a willing reader.

As to people freaking out that Steve Taft didn't significantly assist PSA's card graders, it's not like he's some omniscient being and the rest of the world's population are knuckle-dragging neanderthals when it comes to identifying the authenticity of Star cards. Many people know how to authenticate a Star card. Let's pump the breaks on the idea that it's like deciphering the Rosetta Stone or something.

This reply cracks me up!! LOL so true.

If anything, because of all the investigative work done by the FBI, the TPGs, and the hobby in general, Star Company cards are MORE well established than many other mainstream vintage cards- like the many Oil company cards, Kahn's cards, Bulls Interlake cards, Exhibits cards, etc. all of which are accepted with little scrutiny.

Even new companies like Panini issue cards that say 1/1 and we later find out there are three examples floating around. Panani makes Levin look like a boyscout.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by 90skid

Yeah, guess who the buyer was:

Helloooooooooooooooo!!!

LMAO

[sportsyard]

Pump pump pump it up!

[CardPadre]

Here's my take, and of course none of us know for sure how things will ultimately play out. With PSA giving their "blessing" to Star cards, which means absolutely everything to some collectors, ultimately there could be 27 NBA officially licensed Michael Jordan cards that were issued before the 1986 Fleer...27 of them!!!

A ton of people who have been priced out of the Fleer will be more than excited to have an actual licensed 1984 or 1985 Michael Jordan card and will be able to find one of those 27 cards that they love or can afford and money will be flowing into those and demand for the Fleer with almost certainly soften...maybe a bunch.

The Fleer is a really beautiful and iconic card, but with 27 earlier cards available (including 2 true base cards, 101 and 117), you can't compare it to a '52 Topps Mantle I don't believe.

And for people who don't like the limited distribution and the bagged style of packaging, that's what the officially licensed producer of NBA cards chose to do during those years...so that's just the way it goes.

It will probably take a couple years before all the Star sets and subsets are graded by PSA (if they indeed go beyond the 84-85), but when they do it will likely really affect the Fleer.

Those are my opinions only, I'm really interested to see how it all actually plays out. I don't own a 101, but do have and really love the 288 as a first year card. Cheers everyone.

[biggieruth]

I been buying Michael Jordan Star 101 different counterfeits over the years. The reason why am in the market for a Jordan 101. I have a Michael Jordan 101 counterfeit card that passed every markings of a real one everything.Its something on the card that makes a counterfeit I personally think it was done on purpose to distinguish from a real one. I ask a few people that deals with Jordan 101 and Star Co cards. They said it must be a counterfeit before the Shop at Home.Because the Jordan 101 I have was made off the original pressing plates same paper,photo,color,ect......I done a lot research and ask a few people they said they seen Jordan 101 like this years ago. Please PM I can take pictures of my phone or show pics of the card through email biggieruth@gmail.com. No bull crap I don't know where this card was made. I wanted to bring this card and Lebron Auto I got from a family friend that knows Lebron James family in Ohio to the National.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

I been buying Michael Jordan Star 101 different counterfeits over the years. The reason why am in the market for a Jordan 101. I have a Michael Jordan 101 counterfeit card that passed every markings of a real one everything.Its something on the card that makes a counterfeit I personally think it was done on purpose to distinguish from a real one. I ask a few people that deals with Jordan 101 and Star Co cards. They said it must be a counterfeit before the Shop at Home.Because the Jordan 101 I have was made off the original pressing plates same paper,photo,color,ect......I done a lot research and ask a few people they said they seen Jordan 101 like this years ago. Please PM I can take pictures of my phone or show pics of the card through email biggieruth@gmail.com. No bull crap I don't know where this card was made. I wanted to bring this card and Lebron Auto I got from a family friend that knows Lebron James family in Ohio to the National.

Maybe it passed all of the markings that you know of, but there are others that are not well known to the general public. You've been on here since 2017 so you know how to post a pic. And if you think your 101 counterfeit is so great, submit it to BGS or PSA and prove it. Or perhaps you actually have a real one and don't know it!

"It was made off the original presses"..........ok.

[sportsyard]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Here's my take, and of course none of us know for sure how things will ultimately play out. With PSA giving their "blessing" to Star cards, which means absolutely everything to some collectors, ultimately there could be 27 NBA officially licensed Michael Jordan cards that were issued before the 1986 Fleer...27 of them!!!

A ton of people who have been priced out of the Fleer will be more than excited to have an actual licensed 1984 or 1985 Michael Jordan card and will be able to find one of those 27 cards that they love or can afford and money will be flowing into those and demand for the Fleer with almost certainly soften...maybe a bunch.

The Fleer is a really beautiful and iconic card, but with 27 earlier cards available (including 2 true base cards, 101 and 117), you can't compare it to a '52 Topps Mantle I don't believe.

And for people who don't like the limited distribution and the bagged style of packaging, that's what the officially licensed producer of NBA cards chose to do during those years...so that's just the way it goes.

It will probably take a couple years before all the Star sets and subsets are graded by PSA (if they indeed go beyond the 84-85), but when they do it will likely really affect the Fleer.

Those are my opinions only, I'm really interested to see how it all actually plays out. I don't own a 101, but do have and really love the 288 as a first year card. Cheers everyone.

Good take, great for Jordan collectors, this will absolutely hurt the value of the 86 for people that bought during the pump. Will be some major losses booked on those.

[sportsyard]

Wouldn't it be interesting to know what PSA / Card Ladder / or Goldin employees were buying the 101 XRC the last couple of months before the announcement of PSA to grade them?

[cking]

Originally Posted by sportsyard

Wouldn't it be interesting to know what PSA / Card Ladder / or Goldin employees were buying the 101 XRC the last couple of months before the announcement of PSA to grade them?

The Securities and Exchange Commission calls that insider trading

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by sportsyard

Wouldn't it be interesting to know what PSA / Card Ladder / or Goldin employees were buying the 101 XRC the last couple of months before the announcement of PSA to grade them?

I wonder how many people at PSA could afford a Jordan 101 BEFORE the news came out? It’s not like this was a cheap card you could stockpile.

[6celtics33]

Probstein certainly bought a bunch

[sportsyard]

Originally Posted by cking

The Securities and Exchange Commission calls that insider trading

Thats the problem, sports cards are not regulated.

[sportsyard]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Probstein certainly bought a bunch

he definitely was loaded before.

[GOATcards]

so in order to clear up the distrust that lingers in the hobby toward various Big Players, how about we get some transparency from them. Why the move to grade PSA now instead of some time ago? What changed, exactly?

It seems like perfectly reasonable questions to ask. My best guess, assuming good faith on whoever was involved in the decision-making, was that grading Star was considered too risky (profit-wise) before, but BGS's example established credibility in authenticating and Pop-Reporting on Star cards. No new surprises have happened over the years like with the '90s S@H sleaziness/criminality which got PSA out of Star material pretty quick. It's been thoroughly investigated and/or scrutinized since as to what fakes to look for.

Perhaps SGC will be grading Star material soon for the same reason.

[sportsyard]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

so in order to clear up the distrust that lingers in the hobby toward various Big Players, how about we get some transparency from them. Why the move to grade PSA now instead of some time ago? What changed, exactly?

It seems like perfectly reasonable questions to ask. My best guess, assuming good faith on whoever was involved in the decision-making, was that grading Star was considered too risky (profit-wise) before, but BGS's example established credibility in authenticating and Pop-Reporting on Star cards. No new surprises have happened over the years like with the '90s S@H sleaziness/criminality which got PSA out of Star material pretty quick. It's been thoroughly investigated and/or scrutinized since as to what fakes to look for.

Perhaps SGC will be grading Star material soon for the same reason.

This isn't just a Star Jordan problem. Think about how much conflict of interest there is between a grading company, auction house, and valuation service all being tied together under one umbrella. Its not even the "insiders", now the potential conflicts can be any employee with a connection to another one up to something.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Why the move to grade PSA now instead of some time ago? What changed, exactly?

As far as it seems, it was just the fact that Collectors/PSA ownership changed relatively recently and the new CEO is a collector of Star basketball cards and sees them as very relevant/valuable to the hobby and knows there was not any justifiable reason for PSA not to be grading them. The boost of hype for PSA over the grading announcement of what includes some of the earliest Michael Jordan cards would be good publicity/buzz for the company, as well.

[estorilsq5]

Originally Posted by Spfld Ponies

My bigger concern by a mile is: how will the cards be graded? How will centering be handled?

I’m also very curious about this. I have a BGS 7, with a lowly 6 for centering, and 3x9.5. I’ll be watching how crossovers get handled to see if psa is still more lenient on centering.

Is there a thread documenting BGS —> PSA pre/post crossover grades on 101’s?


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[Hellcat]

^^^You and me both except my BGS 7 has a 9 for surface. With PSA being more lenient on centering I think ours could cross to a 8 rather easily. Let me know if you try it what the grade is. DM if you want.