✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 253

sakibomb523 · 09-11-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Why?

It's well known that continuing through fatigue increases injury risk. What is there to gain for this season outside of individual stats and personal honors? What is there to lose?

What's the risk/reward?

You're acting like the Angels have a stable of pitchers they have left for the rest of the season. They're literally down to Ohtani/Suarez/Barria. Alex Cobb is still working his way back from injury. Detmers has to build himself up after being quarantined with covid. Dylan Bundy probably won't pitch again this season, not sure what his injury was but his last start was dreadful? If Chris Rodriguez comes back, it will be as a reliever. Packy Naughton and Janson Junk can make a spot start here or there.

Trueblue · 09-11-2021, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sakibomb523

You're acting like the Angels have a stable of pitchers they have left for the rest of the season. They're literally down to Ohtani/Suarez/Barria. Alex Cobb is still working his way back from injury. Detmers has to build himself up after being quarantined with covid. Dylan Bundy probably won't pitch again this season, not sure what his injury was but his last start was dreadful? If Chris Rodriguez comes back, it will be as a reliever. Packy Naughton and Janson Junk can make a spot start here or there.

I think his point is that it would benefit the Angels to conserve Ohtani for next year and shut him down and put him back in the toy chest. I think the point you're making is that it just isn't practical and that's not how things work in professional sports.

rman112 · 09-11-2021, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sakibomb523

You're acting like the Angels have a stable of pitchers they have left for the rest of the season. They're literally down to Ohtani/Suarez/Barria. Alex Cobb is still working his way back from injury. Detmers has to build himself up after being quarantined with covid. Dylan Bundy probably won't pitch again this season, not sure what his injury was but his last start was dreadful? If Chris Rodriguez comes back, it will be as a reliever. Packy Naughton and Janson Junk can make a spot start here or there.

Are you saying that they literally would not have enough arms to finish the season if Ohtani were to not pitch again?

BabaORiley · 09-11-2021, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by brios8

So this is how an MVP Lock looks like?

He has a better chance of being (lock) if they shut him down for the season.. otherwise the avgs will keep falling down with a HR here and there.

Hasnt really played well the past 2 months..

I liked the post of MIP- MOST INTERTESTING PLAYER..

Did he not hit a HR and walk twice tonight? His pitching was crap tonight but let's not act like he's a liability out there.

sakibomb523 · 09-11-2021, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Are you saying that they literally would not have enough arms to finish the season if Ohtani were to not pitch again?

Yes. They have 3 healthy arms. They have 21 games left. They're not just going to keep throwing Double-A and Triple-A guys out there to "preserve" Ohtani for next season.

rman112 · 09-11-2021, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sakibomb523

Yes. They have 3 healthy arms. They have 21 games left. They're not just going to keep throwing Double-A and Triple-A guys out there to "preserve" Ohtani for next season.

So they do have arms on the 40-man.

None of the results going forward matter. The season is over.

NYRE2PECT · 09-11-2021, 06:35 AM

Thought that there might be something here:

IP ERA
2021 Home 63.1 1.99
2021 Away 52.0 5.02

al3xmac10 · 09-11-2021, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by al3xmac10

Fun trivia question:

On Feb 2021, Sports Graphic Number Web, a Japan sports magazine's website, asked Ohtani about his target stats for this season.
Can you guess how many wins & HRs he had as his goals for this year?

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Originally Posted by dashcol

10 wins and 50 HRs

one of them is close...

dodgerfanjohn · 09-11-2021, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by al3xmac10

one of them is close...

He has 9 wins and 44 home runs. Both are extremely close.

al3xmac10 · 09-11-2021, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

He has 9 wins and 44 home runs. Both are extremely close.

I meant that one of [10 wins & 50 HRs] was close to the 2021 goals Ohtani mentioned in an interview last February...

moosetequila · 09-11-2021, 11:29 AM

Boring

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BBases31 · 09-11-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sakibomb523

You're acting like the Angels have a stable of pitchers they have left for the rest of the season. They're literally down to Ohtani/Suarez/Barria. Alex Cobb is still working his way back from injury. Detmers has to build himself up after being quarantined with covid. Dylan Bundy probably won't pitch again this season, not sure what his injury was but his last start was dreadful? If Chris Rodriguez comes back, it will be as a reliever. Packy Naughton and Janson Junk can make a spot start here or there.

Classic Angels. They don't have a single starter this year with enough innings to qualify for the ERA standings. And they even had fired their head of training in the offseason. It's a miracle Ohtani has stayed healthy. He must be doing his own routine over there

al3xmac10 · 09-12-2021, 01:24 AM

Bleacher Report on Shohei:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-shohei-ohtani

al3xmac10 · 09-12-2021, 05:40 AM

A very good rewatch, in light of his career season:

Mister2Bits · 09-12-2021, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by al3xmac10

A very good rewatch, in light of his career season:

I haven't seen this before. Thank you for posting.

I love players that seem humble and approachable. He's going to be one of the biggest names the game has ever seen and he appears as though he's a teenager having fun. I'm sure he battles the pressure just like everyone else, but man he is a master at hiding it.

hammertime · 09-12-2021, 04:13 PM

Well no fireworks today BUT zero Ks for the series.

BBases31 · 09-12-2021, 08:53 PM

A US1 PSA 10 Update Black finished at 9k last week and that bidding looked legitimate. Today a S2 PSA 10 Black goes for only 4300. The last S2 PSA 10 Black that sold earlier in the season went for what looked like too little as well. Maybe the Update parallels are winning out?

Halonut · 09-12-2021, 09:19 PM

One factor could be the photoshopped image on the S2. I have some chrome stuff with the airbrushed photo but when I was actively picking his stuff up I know I shied away from them. It’s one of the main reasons I like his New Era card so much.

moosetequila · 09-12-2021, 11:36 PM

Now he SHARES the HR lead... sucks

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Mister2Bits · 09-13-2021, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BBases31

A US1 PSA 10 Update Black finished at 9k last week and that bidding looked legitimate. Today a S2 PSA 10 Black goes for only 4300. The last S2 PSA 10 Black that sold earlier in the season went for what looked like too little as well. Maybe the Update parallels are winning out?

I've been curious about this as well. I wonder if the pedigree of 2018 Topps Update vs S2 has anything to do with it? IMO, from an image perspective they are both equal (granted one is photoshopped).

It's going to be interesting watching it play out over the next few years.

fabiani12333 · 09-13-2021, 10:18 AM

Ohtani's 2nd half home run total is a real disappointment -- only 11 compared to 33 the 1st half. It's reminiscent of Reggie Jackson's 1969 season, where he hit 37 the 1st half and only 10 the 2nd half.

fabiani12333 · 09-13-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Thought that there might be something here:

IP ERA
2021 Home 63.1 1.99
2021 Away 52.0 5.02

The away ERA is high mostly because of the ugly 1st inning in New York and the recent start in Houston. Other than that, he's been good on the road.

hammertime · 09-13-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Ohtani's 2nd half home run total is a real disappointment -- only 11 compared to 33 the 1st half. It's reminiscent of Reggie Jackson's 1969 season, where he hit 37 the 1st half and only 10 the 2nd half.

Hopefully he turns down the HRD next year.

The_Reverend · 09-13-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by moosetequila

Now he SHARES the HR lead... sucks

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They pitch around him because of the supporting cast, but he is still the MVP regardless and although Vlad has great numbers, he is not the lead story on a regular basis. Baseball knows who the MVP is. Only these boards argue about that.

Mister2Bits · 09-13-2021, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by moosetequila

Now he SHARES the HR lead... sucks

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Ohtani has a share of the HR lead in September. Nothing about this sucks!

09-12-2021, 01:24 AM	#6313
al3xmac10 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 13,500 al3xmac10	Bleacher Report on Shohei: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-shohei-ohtani __________________ Instagram: al3xmac10 Always looking for rare Shohei Ohtani 2018 autos & [Ichiro 2016 Topps Now #154 Inscription Auto /10]

09-12-2021, 05:40 AM	#6314
al3xmac10 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 13,500 al3xmac10	A very good rewatch, in light of his career season: __________________ Instagram: al3xmac10 Always looking for rare Shohei Ohtani 2018 autos & [Ichiro 2016 Topps Now #154 Inscription Auto /10]

09-11-2021, 06:35 AM	#6307
NYRE2PECT Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: San Antonio Posts: 8,427	Thought that there might be something here: IP ERA 2021 Home 63.1 1.99 2021 Away 52.0 5.02

09-11-2021, 11:29 AM	#6311
moosetequila Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Cali Posts: 9,547	Boring Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

09-12-2021, 04:13 PM	#6316
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 7,002	Well no fireworks today BUT zero Ks for the series.

09-12-2021, 08:53 PM	#6317
BBases31 Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 7,603	A US1 PSA 10 Update Black finished at 9k last week and that bidding looked legitimate. Today a S2 PSA 10 Black goes for only 4300. The last S2 PSA 10 Black that sold earlier in the season went for what looked like too little as well. Maybe the Update parallels are winning out?

09-12-2021, 09:19 PM	#6318
Halonut Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,907 gohalos!!!	One factor could be the photoshopped image on the S2. I have some chrome stuff with the airbrushed photo but when I was actively picking his stuff up I know I shied away from them. It’s one of the main reasons I like his New Era card so much.

09-12-2021, 11:36 PM	#6319
moosetequila Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Cali Posts: 9,547	Now he SHARES the HR lead... sucks Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

09-13-2021, 10:18 AM	#6321
fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 13,015	Ohtani's 2nd half home run total is a real disappointment -- only 11 compared to 33 the 1st half. It's reminiscent of Reggie Jackson's 1969 season, where he hit 37 the 1st half and only 10 the 2nd half.