Has anyone use PWCC to sell

[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by asujbl

This

I haven’t sold with PWCC but if I decide to sell? I sure as hell ain’t doing it myself

That sounds horrible

What sounds horrible exactly?

[mcgee2134]

I've sold a half dozen cards via PWCC.

They usually pay about a month later so on two of them I was paid after a month, and then a month after getting paid they sent me an invoice saying I had to buy back the cards from them since they were returned.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Use Probstein123. I'm a Ricky fan but recently consigned PWCC items as well as created my dad his own account and consigned items for him. Terrible experience.

1) May auction - ~25% of items for my dad went unpaid for.

2) 1 item (Jordan 87/88 Fleer BGS 8.5) was not listed in the May auction despite being received by the deadline

3) Customer support chat logs from two different reps confirmed the Jordan would be listed in May. Never happened. Auction came and went. Customer support said it should be listed in June or July after I asked that the card be returned to me. It was not listed in June. July postings should be up in the next week, if it's not listed they are getting an angry call

4) Payout is a disaster, with their new website you have to opt in to receiving ACH payments. Payouts from May auction hit accounting on June 16th, 2 weeks past auctions which is whatever. My dad was paid on the 17th. I still have not been paid

5) Still have no idea/communication about what/when the 25% of items that went unpaid will be relisted

With Ricky, I literally send him a box of #@#@#@#@, he lists it in 1 day. The morning after the auctions end I get an itemized excel document that usually comes with a full payout or cash advance. Absolutely insane how much easier it is to go with Ricky.

This is the first positive review of Probstein I have heard since approximately 1984. Everyone else seems to have absolute horror stories of Probstein.

[sportsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

That’s one of the main reasons you sell through them. Once the buyer pays, it’s your money. Not dealing with shipping and returns are part of the service you’re paying for.

The other reasons obviously being: as places to sell your trimmed and counterfeit cards, and shill your own auctions, amirite?

No but that's my point/question: once the buyer pays and the card is shipped out by one of these auction houses, if he/she has buyers remorse and starts with the shenanigans, I don't think the money is yours. You have to send the money back to PWCC and wait for the item to sell again

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

What sounds horrible exactly?

Literally everything about selling something myself

[sportsfanatic]

Originally Posted by mcgee2134

I've sold a half dozen cards via PWCC.

They usually pay about a month later so on two of them I was paid after a month, and then a month after getting paid they sent me an invoice saying I had to buy back the cards from them since they were returned.

You had to buy back the cards or was there an option to have them relisted?

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by mcgee2134

I've sold a half dozen cards via PWCC.

They usually pay about a month later so on two of them I was paid after a month, and then a month after getting paid they sent me an invoice saying I had to buy back the cards from them since they were returned.

They can't make you buy back the cards once auctioned and you're paid. That's part of the appeal is you don't have to deal with the headache of selling through eBay and risking a return. You sell through them and it is done.

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Use Probstein123. I'm a Ricky fan but recently consigned PWCC items as well as created my dad his own account and consigned items for him. Terrible experience.

1) May auction - ~25% of items for my dad went unpaid for.

2) 1 item (Jordan 87/88 Fleer BGS 8.5) was not listed in the May auction despite being received by the deadline

3) Customer support chat logs from two different reps confirmed the Jordan would be listed in May. Never happened. Auction came and went. Customer support said it should be listed in June or July after I asked that the card be returned to me. It was not listed in June. July postings should be up in the next week, if it's not listed they are getting an angry call

4) Payout is a disaster, with their new website you have to opt in to receiving ACH payments. Payouts from May auction hit accounting on June 16th, 2 weeks past auctions which is whatever. My dad was paid on the 17th. I still have not been paid

5) Still have no idea/communication about what/when the 25% of items that went unpaid will be relisted

With Ricky, I literally send him a box of #@#@#@#@, he lists it in 1 day. The morning after the auctions end I get an itemized excel document that usually comes with a full payout or cash advance. Absolutely insane how much easier it is to go with Ricky.

I just had my first hiccup with PWCC with kind of a similar experience. I overnighted several high-end boxes late May for June auction and they claimed I put on the packing list for the boxes to be listed in the July auction. I can't believe I would have made that mistake but unfortunately I didn't keep a copy of the form stating the month to be listed.

They said they will be listed in July so as long as that happens, that's fine. I have never had an issue with any payout. It always comes through ACH the month after the auction ends.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

Yeah, that 5 mins it takes to post something is so daunting

You are such a pleasure on these boards, so friendly.


There are many reasons people list with consigners.

1. ship it once and collect the money. No return hassles, no scamming, no ebay crap to go through.
2. More eyes viewing your auctions. Significantly larger exposure with the larger auction houses= more $$$
3. Time: you apparently have lots of it, but shipping out multiple packages takes up time. With consigners you ship one package and you are done.


For small value items, sure go for it, sell yourself. For higher value items: Auction house or big consigner all the way.

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

You are such a pleasure on these boards, so friendly.


There are many reasons people list with consigners.

1. ship it once and collect the money. No return hassles, no scamming, no ebay crap to go through.
2. More eyes viewing your auctions. Significantly larger exposure with the larger auction houses= more $$$
3. Time: you apparently have lots of it, but shipping out multiple packages takes up time. With consigners you ship one package and you are done.


For small value items, sure go for it, sell yourself. For higher value items: Auction house or big consigner all the way.

Yep, you hit all the main points.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

Yep, you hit all the main points.

Have you been selling off your retail hoard MC?

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Have you been selling off your retail hoard MC?

I've sold some stuff here and there. Trying to selectively sell off stuff that I think makes sense to sell. Unopened collection got a little too big for my comfort zone so trying to make some room.

[CoronaBowl LV]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Use Probstein123. I'm a Ricky fan but recently consigned PWCC items as well as created my dad his own account and consigned items for him. Terrible experience.

1) May auction - ~25% of items for my dad went unpaid for.

2) 1 item (Jordan 87/88 Fleer BGS 8.5) was not listed in the May auction despite being received by the deadline

3) Customer support chat logs from two different reps confirmed the Jordan would be listed in May. Never happened. Auction came and went. Customer support said it should be listed in June or July after I asked that the card be returned to me. It was not listed in June. July postings should be up in the next week, if it's not listed they are getting an angry call

4) Payout is a disaster, with their new website you have to opt in to receiving ACH payments. Payouts from May auction hit accounting on June 16th, 2 weeks past auctions which is whatever. My dad was paid on the 17th. I still have not been paid

5) Still have no idea/communication about what/when the 25% of items that went unpaid will be relisted

With Ricky, I literally send him a box of #@#@#@#@, he lists it in 1 day. The morning after the auctions end I get an itemized excel document that usually comes with a full payout or cash advance. Absolutely insane how much easier it is to go with Ricky.

You're actually telling people to consign with scumbag Probstein?
I consigned some somewhat high value cards with them. It was not a pleasant experience. It took five weeks to get my money. I emailed them four times, they stopped responding to my emails after the second one. So I had to call them and was told Rick was on vacation in Israel. I was told I'd get paid whenever he got back. That was just a bunch of bullshi$$. They just didn't want to pay me my fuc%ing money.

[pip]

PWCC is my seller of choice. Them and Probstein -- the two most honest and trustworthy companies I know. Heritage would be a close third. All good guys with fast shipping. I also enjoy shilling my own consigned cards so the complete lack of transparency with HA and PWCC private auctions works perfect for me.

I also buy a lot from PWCC because I like the impossibly gem mint cards that only ̶a̶ ̶c̶u̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶o̶a̶r̶d̶ these top auction companies can deliver.

[CoronaBowl LV]

Originally Posted by sportsfanatic

You had to buy back the cards or was there an option to have them relisted?

If the cards were in his vault account he would have had to pay the amount they sold for to have them put back into his vault account. I thought monthly auction returns could just be relisted.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by sportsfanatic

No but that's my point/question: once the buyer pays and the card is shipped out by one of these auction houses, if he/she has buyers remorse and starts with the shenanigans, I don't think the money is yours. You have to send the money back to PWCC and wait for the item to sell again

I don’t know how they’d ever be able to enforce that. I’ve only sold a couple low end slabs through them so I haven’t had to deal with that situation. Plus in a slab, the buyer can’t return unless the slab is damaged. With Probstein, I remember they only paid out like 75% until a month passed and they were pretty sure it wouldn’t get returned. I hated that and haven’t sent anything to him since.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

I've sold some stuff here and there. Trying to selectively sell off stuff that I think makes sense to sell. Unopened collection got a little too big for my comfort zone so trying to make some room.

Nice work!

Hopefully, you are upgrading to nicer hobby unopened.

[blackbears86]

My go to for selling graded PSA/BGS is PCsportscards.


Josh is fast and professional and pays very quickly.

[jgrann13]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Use Probstein123. I'm a Ricky fan but recently consigned PWCC items as well as created my dad his own account and consigned items for him. Terrible experience.

1) May auction - ~25% of items for my dad went unpaid for.

2) 1 item (Jordan 87/88 Fleer BGS 8.5) was not listed in the May auction despite being received by the deadline

3) Customer support chat logs from two different reps confirmed the Jordan would be listed in May. Never happened. Auction came and went. Customer support said it should be listed in June or July after I asked that the card be returned to me. It was not listed in June. July postings should be up in the next week, if it's not listed they are getting an angry call

4) Payout is a disaster, with their new website you have to opt in to receiving ACH payments. Payouts from May auction hit accounting on June 16th, 2 weeks past auctions which is whatever. My dad was paid on the 17th. I still have not been paid

5) Still have no idea/communication about what/when the 25% of items that went unpaid will be relisted

With Ricky, I literally send him a box of #@#@#@#@, he lists it in 1 day. The morning after the auctions end I get an itemized excel document that usually comes with a full payout or cash advance. Absolutely insane how much easier it is to go with Ricky.

I agree with this 100%. Rick sometimes gets backed up in replying but as far as listings and payouts its way better then PWCC.

PWCC has more technology and a portal to track but they have so much volume that listings get lost. I had an SPX Lebron get lumped into 8 others of the same during the same auction. Awful .

Rick is much easier if you have high end. Some of the horror stories could be from low end submissions. Communication has never been an issue for me with Rick.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

Yeah, that 5 mins it takes to post something is so daunting

With each post, you are unwittingly exposing more and more of your ignorance.

[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by bmf

With each post, you are unwittingly exposing more and more of your ignorance.

Oh please, get off your high horse.

I see a ton more post about these PWCC and the likes not being good vs ebay transactions gone wrong. I'm sorry, it's not hard to sell a few cards on your own, it's just not. Now if we are talking really high value cards, yeah some help may be needed but i'd still avoid these types.

[sportsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I don’t know how they’d ever be able to enforce that. I’ve only sold a couple low end slabs through them so I haven’t had to deal with that situation. Plus in a slab, the buyer can’t return unless the slab is damaged. With Probstein, I remember they only paid out like 75% until a month passed and they were pretty sure it wouldn’t get returned. I hated that and haven’t sent anything to him since.

Yeah so that's the thing...I feel like with either PWCC or Probstein, since they both use Ebay, even if you choose to sell through them, you might still have to deal with the headache of a bad buyer. I think auction houses that use their own platforms (and not Ebay who heavily favors buyers) such as Goldin or Lelands would be better options. And I'm referring to selling items that are high value, 5 or at least high 4 figures.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

Oh please, get off your high horse.

I see a ton more post about these PWCC and the likes not being good vs ebay transactions gone wrong. I'm sorry, it's not hard to sell a few cards on your own, it's just not. Now if we are talking really high value cards, yeah some help may be needed but i'd still avoid these types.

And here is the “well if” statement

[mcgee2134]

Originally Posted by sportsfanatic

You had to buy back the cards or was there an option to have them relisted?

They sent me an invoice for the amount they paid me. Originally I asked to see the cards multiple times (they were Eminence) to make sure they were still sealed. They never sent any proof of the cards.

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

They can't make you buy back the cards once auctioned and you're paid. That's part of the appeal is you don't have to deal with the headache of selling through eBay and risking a return. You sell through them and it is done.

That's what I thought. I've got an outstanding invoice and I told them I'm not paying and don't have to based on their policies. However, they won't remove the invoice and say I still owe them. I shipped home my remaining cards because I don't want them pilfering any future sales to pay off their invoice.

[randino101]

I'd be curious to know if anybody has gone the flash auction route w/ PWCC and what their results & overall experience has been. In theory, this lets you have control over when they're listed to time the market better & also minimize the chance of having your card(s) get "lost in the shuffle" w/ a bunch of similar ones.

I've got a few cards in their Vault that I will test out w/ BIN or Best Offer, but the flash auction thing is intriguing...