2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Between this, the WH "superspreader" event causing a total of zero causalities between all the old men and Trump being fully recovered from COVID, it's a good start to getting peoples heads screwed on a bit tighter about this thing.

People that talk like this end up on the back end of a news article regretting their decision to do so....

I get it, but once again, these guys have amazing “extras” than the rest of the population (including you) will not receive. The first being the option to “check yourself” into the hospital on day 1 of testing positive. The rest of us are forced to isolate, and suffer through the illness until we just cant handle it.
I could be wrong but thats whats up with the ones I know including my mothers neighbor who is an active military SGT. in AZ. He was sent home on day 2 and ended back there on day 6. He was having issues with the (for-profit) hospital and ended up going to Clark Co. to get better treatment. With that being said, I believe the math truly points to where you are geographically and which hospitals, and Drs have the experience that others have.

We are learning more daily....but people are still dying at an incredible rate. You just dont know any of them so it doesnt pertain to your lifestyle. Plus your healthy and obviously dont have anyone you live with that is at high risk. So yea if im a Republican politician at a super spreader party im gonna probably be pretty careless considering I have the Unuted States Health Care System. And dont compare bronze bla bla bla “insurance doesnt matter”...is not about that. Its about the better the hospital, Dr.s, and overall experience with “experimental drugs” which the 200,000+++ dead did not receive.
It is getting better, but putting your guard down is putting others familys at risk..

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by free2131

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ange-our-minds

Very interesting article about this real life phenomena.

I had to bookmark where I’m at for later, but this is a great read. Much appreciated.

My original hunch was from my own experience. I hated being wrong as a kid and even into my mid 20s. I’d argue in circles and often declared victory only through fatiguing the opposition. Now I have a lot more self confidence as a person (or maybe just stopped giving a F) and don’t really care about being initially wrong or right as much as I care about trying to get as close to right as possible as I digest new information. It’s a more freeing feeling when you become okay with looking like a dumbass from time to time.

Many of the positions we take on things should remain fluid, when they end up becoming even more cemented over time... but those positions often solidify just because. And the bit about confirmation bias and how we tend to be experts on dissecting the opposition but ignorant on fully defending our own positions is spot on. I’m still guilty of that to an extent. It’s prevalent in the majority of the political discourse I see. I think the truth/best solution on pretty much every single thing lies somewhere in the middle, but often times the only choices we’re ever left with are all or nothing.

I’m gonna finish this later for sure, but wanted to throw out my thoughts while they were fresh. A solid read for anyone in here since political discourse is highly relevant to the article.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

The math of it all and implementation remains to be seen regarding what Biden does or doesn't do.



Working solely with what we know, Trump was on his way to out pace Obama's deficits through 8 years...and that was before Coronavirus hit. That was with a growing economy trend that he walked into, completely unlike what Obama walked into.



So it's disingenuous to state that Biden's projected policies will add trillions to the debt without stating that Trump's will (and have) as well.

I understand and even agree with your statement regarding Trump and the deficit, but are you going to just ignore Biden's 47 years of what Biden's done?

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

People that talk like this end up on the back end of a news article regretting their decision to do so....



I get it, but once again, these guys have amazing “extras” than the rest of the population (including you) will not receive. The first being the option to “check yourself” into the hospital on day 1 of testing positive. The rest of us are forced to isolate, and suffer through the illness until we just cant handle it.

I could be wrong but thats whats up with the ones I know including my mothers neighbor who is an active military SGT. in AZ. He was sent home on day 2 and ended back there on day 6. He was having issues with the (for-profit) hospital and ended up going to Clark Co. to get better treatment. With that being said, I believe the math truly points to where you are geographically and which hospitals, and Drs have the experience that others have.



We are learning more daily....but people are still dying at an incredible rate. You just dont know any of them so it doesnt pertain to your lifestyle. Plus your healthy and obviously dont have anyone you live with that is at high risk. So yea if im a Republican politician at a super spreader party im gonna probably be pretty careless considering I have the Unuted States Health Care System. And dont compare bronze bla bla bla “insurance doesnt matter”...is not about that. Its about the better the hospital, Dr.s, and overall experience with “experimental drugs” which the 200,000+++ dead did not receive.

It is getting better, but putting your guard down is putting others familys at risk..

Strongly disagree with your people are still dying at an incredible rate comment.

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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by free2131

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ange-our-minds

Very interesting article about this real life phenomena.

Good read.

People don’t want to admit when they’re fat, stupid, ugly or wrong.

[oldgoldy97]

If you can’t explain your point then you have none.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

If you can’t explain your point then you have none.

We're closing in on 50K posts. Pretty sure almost every point to posts have been covered, some several times over.
I personally am not invested in this thread enough to keep rehashing points that have been rehashed over and over.

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I understand and even agree with your statement regarding Trump and the deficit, but are you going to just ignore Biden's 47 years of what Biden's done?

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What I need to know about Biden's 47 years as a politician is that the bulk of it is fairly irrelevant to me. Why? I wasn't his constituent. Delaware voted for him 6 straight elections, he seemed to make them happy.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I am sorry for your loss - had he had a flu shot that year?

As for the Flu, we have flu shots with the previous years strain as a potential against the current year.
People do pass from the flu - the difference is that we have a shot where as with a virus 5-6X more impactful - we have nothing (yet)

Nope. Typically, a 17 year old isn't dying from the flu if they are healthy.

We also know when we have the flu. A lot of people don't know if they have COVID until they get tested. We'll never know the true impact of deaths from COVID. People are dying from it and with it. People are also dying from the lockdowns. No one dies from flu lockdowns.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by discostu

What I need to know about Biden's 47 years as a politician is that the bulk of it is fairly irrelevant to me. Why? I wasn't his constituent. Delaware voted for him 6 straight elections, he seemed to make them happy.

Delaware- oppressive, downtrodden socialist hellhole.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Delaware- oppressive, downtrodden socialist hellhole.

Indicted by Wayne and Garth, I rest my case

[Chris Lyle]

Kamala Harris saying she is going to remotely participate in the Barrett hearing. Saying its endangering lives... Go to work and do your job Harris

[BTownCards]

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Kamala Harris saying she is going to remotely participate in the Barrett hearing. Saying its endangering lives... Go to work and do your job Harris

She is doing her job.

Please don't confuse her concern for safety (serious or political) with the way that the Senate didn't do their job when Merrick Garland was put up by Obama.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

What I need to know about Biden's 47 years as a politician is that the bulk of it is fairly irrelevant to me. Why? I wasn't his constituent. Delaware voted for him 6 straight elections, he seemed to make them happy.

If 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president is irrelevant to you then I don't know what to tell you other than please do the rest of the country a favor and don't vote.
In otherwords.....hogwash.

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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Nope. Typically, a 17 year old isn't dying from the flu if they are healthy.

We also know when we have the flu. A lot of people don't know if they have COVID until they get tested. We'll never know the true impact of deaths from COVID. People are dying from it and with it. People are also dying from the lockdowns. No one dies from flu lockdowns.

Here’s a good article on the lockdown deaths.

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-coron...-the-lockdown/


Granted, there are no hard numbers and it’s an opinion piece months old.

Here’s another


https://www.city-journal.org/deadly-...kdown-policies

Again, drawing conclusions in lieu of factual data. The quotes at the bottom are probably the best part of it. Pure tin foil hat stuff.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Kamala Harris saying she is going to remotely participate in the Barrett hearing. Saying its endangering lives... Go to work and do your job Harris

Are people working from home not working?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Astros19

If 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president is irrelevant to you then I don't know what to tell you other than please do the rest of the country a favor and don't vote.
In otherwords.....hogwash.

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Not to mention when said candidate refuses to state his position on some extremely important issues.
But hey, you'll find out what they are after the election.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Are people working from home not working?

Some are, some aren't.
A lot are but yet still doing normal activities outside the home.
Imagine that.

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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by discostu

What I need to know about Biden's 47 years as a politician is that the bulk of it is fairly irrelevant to me. Why? I wasn't his constituent. Delaware voted for him 6 straight elections, he seemed to make them happy.

You need to educate yourself. Every problem in America stems from his time in Washington. Please don’t vote, the true American way.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Are people working from home not working?

At least here in Ohio fear is not a viable excuse to miss work or work from home, but Harris must be special.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by discostu

She is doing her job.

Please don't confuse her concern for safety (serious or political) with the way that the Senate didn't do their job when Merrick Garland was put up by Obama.

She shouldn't be using fear to not show up and go to work

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Shr shouldn't be using fear to not show up and go to work

I'm noticing more and more that the fear comes out when it's convenient.

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[discostu]

Originally Posted by Astros19

If 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president is irrelevant to you then I don't know what to tell you other than please do the rest of the country a favor and don't vote.
In otherwords.....hogwash.

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Don't worry about my vote. Worry about Iowa. Worry about those progressive, pro-LBGTQ+ commie liberals in Johnson County flipping the state.

Originally Posted by Astros19

Not to mention when said candidate refuses to state his position on some extremely important issues.
But hey, you'll find out what they are after the election.

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What happened to the general notion that all politicians lie? Who cares what he says? It's all garbage. Presidents are figureheads, am I right?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I'm noticing more and more that the fear comes out when it's convenient.

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Yep and then to say that its because Republicans are endangering lives. Not even letting the normal process of testing etc to go on