2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Trump 2020 landslide.

My Pillow Guy and salmon-colored polo guy will put him over that hump.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

My Pillow Guy and salmon-colored polo guy will put him over that hump.

My Pillow Guy is a reformed cocaine addict. A true American success story. He’s got lots of money so his opinion is worth a lot.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

We argue over freedom all the time, but justice is the really tricky virtue to work out in a democracy.

Is the goal punishment? Mental or physical or financial punishment?

Is the goal reform and restoration to the community? That would seem to make re-education the primary focus.......which can get brainwashy and dystopian really quick.

Is it just simply to remove bad people from society without any real concern for what happens to them?

Should the guilty be at the mercy of the aggrieved? That's certainly the quickest to wash the State's hands of the matter, but you're going to end up with so many horror stories.

I honestly don't have many fully-developed thoughts on what justice should look like. Every argument seems to have an equally strong counter argument.

I’d like to hear someone’s argument for how the U.S prison system is designed to be reformative or restorative.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I’d like to hear someone’s argument for how the U.S prison system is designed to be reformative or restorative.

Depends....you talking white collar or blue collar prison?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Depends....you talking white collar or blue collar prison?

Nicely done.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Unlikely they chose prison.

They probably chose to rob someone or rape someone or sell drugs or assault some one, etc. Yeah, they chose prison over doing what is the right thing

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They probably chose to rob someone or rape someone or sell drugs or assault some one, etc. Yeah, they chose prison over doing what is the right thing

Ok Mother Teresa.

[JeremyNick]

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Ok Mother Teresa.

Not sure what your argument would even be? They chose to go to jail by their personal actions.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

My Pillow Guy is a reformed cocaine addict. A true American success story. He’s got lots of money so his opinion is worth a lot.

And he owns a lot of stock in a company he’s trying to push as making a cure for Covid. Sounds like God spoke to him to help people.

I believe he’s reformed. That might not be totally accurate.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Not sure what your argument would even be? They chose to go to jail by their personal actions.

1) You posited that they chose jail. Nobody chooses jail.

2) You are implying that people who haven't gone to jail are squeaky clean.

My argument is only in response to your inaccurate claims.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

I’d like to hear someone’s argument for how the U.S prison system is designed to be reformative or restorative.

It should be punitive without creating undue barriers for self-reformation post incarceration.

It’s not the job of society to enforce behavior change, or worse off subsidize it.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Found this to be interesting regarding the postal service. Sorry if it has been posted before but I didn't see it.

https://medium.com/@nharpermn/stop-p...e-8bcd689b9601

Thanks for posting this. I'll forward it to my paranoid MIL. She is positive that Trump is trying to stop mail completely to steal the election.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Thanks for posting this. I'll forward it to my paranoid MIL. She is positive that Trump is trying to stop mail completely to steal the election.

Look up who the author is a lobbyist for in case she asks.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They probably chose to rob someone or rape someone or sell drugs or assault some one, etc. Yeah, they chose prison over doing what is the right thing

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Ok Mother Teresa.

Argument 1: People choose to go to jail.

Argument 2: It is socially unreasonable to ask people not to rob and rape others because only saints are capable such self-restraint.

Politics, folks.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Argument 1: People choose to go to jail.

Argument 2: It is socially unreasonable to ask people not to rob and rape others because only saints are capable such self-restraint.

Politics, folks.

Not my argument. Twisting Twisting Twisting

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

1) You posited that they chose jail. Nobody chooses jail.

2) You are implying that people who haven't gone to jail are squeaky clean.

My argument is only in response to your inaccurate claims.

They chose prison. It was their choice and their choice alone. Sorry your argument is wrong. But it’s ok to have that opinion. We’re all wrong here and there. I didn’t imply anything. I was only taking about those that chose to commit crimes and chose to go to prison. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It should be punitive without creating undue barriers for self-reformation post incarceration.

It’s not the job of society to enforce behavior change, or worse off subsidize it.

Is criminal recidivism not an issue that could be better addressed while someone is incarcerated? Rehabilitation programs for inmates would be beneficial to society as a whole.

And what is the basis for an all-encompassing punitive system? To what end does it exist?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They chose prison. It was their choice and their choice alone. Sorry your argument is wrong. But it’s ok to have that opinion. We’re all wrong here and there. I didn’t imply anything. I was only taking about those that chose to commit crimes and chose to go to prison. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes.

Have you ever taken a recreational drug, driven drunk, been in a fight, committed petty theft or any other illegal activity in your entire life?

And if so, were you choosing prison?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

And he owns a lot of stock in a company he’s trying to push as making a cure for Covid. Sounds like God spoke to him to help people.

I believe he’s reformed. That might not be totally accurate.

Pillow dude, an admitted former(?) crack addict, was covered in a sheen of sweat and sounded like he was whacked out of mind during his disastrous interview with Anderson Cooper yesterday.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/anderso...nt-1203016720/

Someone should check his pockets.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Have you ever taken a recreational drug

Nope.

Originally Posted by Jopeal

driven drunk

Nope.

Originally Posted by Jopeal

been in a fight

As a legal adult? Nope.

Originally Posted by Jopeal

committed petty theft

Nope.

Originally Posted by Jopeal

any other illegal activity in your entire life?

Like speeding or jaywalking or things that don't lead to prison sentences? Sure.

Like robbery or rape? Nope.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Not my argument. Twisting Twisting Twisting

You mocked someone who said people should make the choice not to assault or rape people by calling them a saint.

You defended an athlete who said "Hitler was right" and called everyone else racist.

I get that you've got this vague persona thing going, but it shouldn't be this upsetting when people state plainly the arguments you are making.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Nope.



Nope.



As a legal adult? Nope.



Nope.



Like speeding or jaywalking or things that don't lead to prison sentences? Sure.

Like robbery or rape? Nope.

I didn’t ask you but well done on responsible behavior.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

You mocked someone who said people should make the choice not to assault or rape people by calling them a saint.

You defended an athlete who said "Hitler was right" and called everyone else racist.

I get that you've got this vague persona thing going, but it shouldn't be this upsetting when people state plainly the arguments you are making.

He said more than those two things.

I’m glad for your legally moral behavior but your incessant lying and twisting is something to look into.

[rman112]

Just got back from the PO. The clerk didn't accept my letters and then immediately set them on fire. A bit of a surprise.