2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Found this to be interesting regarding the postal service. Sorry if it has been posted before but I didn't see it.

https://medium.com/@nharpermn/stop-p...e-8bcd689b9601

Thumbs up!

[Lonewolf]

Pretty clear at this point that Russia DID meddle in 2016, IS meddling now, and was solicited by and made contact with Trump officials as concluded by a
bipartisan panel:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53830374

Cue the deniers...

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by irv

I disagree wholeheartedly. Obama got it started and it spilled over when Trump was elected.
"Obama's posturing and lecturing is as divisive as ever" right from CNN, no less.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/opini...ton/index.html
"Barack Obama's race legacy: Progressive or divisive?

Barack Obama's race legacy: Progressive or divisive?
Close
President Barack Obama was one of "the most divisive" presidents in a generation because he "played the race issue", the pastor and member of the Alabama Republican Party John Killian has said"
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38632677
"Former President Obama will occupy a place in history as the nation's first African-American president. But while his election would seem to signal that American society has overcome its past history of racial discrimination and tension, Americans' views of race relations in fact became far less harmonious during Obama's tenure in office"

"More Americans over the past eight years came to believe that Obama's election and his presidency made race relations "worse" in the U.S. rather than better, with 46% believing the former in 2016 and 29% saying the latter. This represented a sharp reversal of opinion from 2009, when 41% of Americans believed Obama's election and presidency made race relations better and 22% said worse"
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...ama-years.aspx

All those articles do is illustrate that people were fine with race relations in this country until a Black man held the highest office in the land. That was a step too far for many. A continuation of the idea Blacks should know their place.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

AOC is .... well, a moron.

I believe you and I can agree on that

If Biden wins he should tell her she will be a part of his cabinet he needs someone to take their food orders and bring them drinks.

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by irv

I disagree wholeheartedly. Obama got it started and it spilled over when Trump was elected.
"Obama's posturing and lecturing is as divisive as ever" right from CNN, no less.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/opini...ton/index.html
"Barack Obama's race legacy: Progressive or divisive?

Barack Obama's race legacy: Progressive or divisive?
Close
President Barack Obama was one of "the most divisive" presidents in a generation because he "played the race issue", the pastor and member of the Alabama Republican Party John Killian has said"
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38632677
"Former President Obama will occupy a place in history as the nation's first African-American president. But while his election would seem to signal that American society has overcome its past history of racial discrimination and tension, Americans' views of race relations in fact became far less harmonious during Obama's tenure in office"

"More Americans over the past eight years came to believe that Obama's election and his presidency made race relations "worse" in the U.S. rather than better, with 46% believing the former in 2016 and 29% saying the latter. This represented a sharp reversal of opinion from 2009, when 41% of Americans believed Obama's election and presidency made race relations better and 22% said worse"
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...ama-years.aspx

These are all published before Trump took office

[charnick]

Contort away, fellas!









https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ed4_story.html

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson...nd-90306117878

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

All those articles do is illustrate that people were fine with race relations in this country until a Black man held the highest office in the land. That was a step too far for many. A continuation of the idea Blacks should know their place.

Hootie with the heat.

[oldgoldy97]

The Great Divide putting politics over people’s livelihood, Tweeting, again, to boycott Goodyear. His reasoning behind it might be legitimate, but the way he goes about getting his message across is not the way a leader should act. Anyone who disagrees with him who he can’t fire is a radical leftist.

[trixstar]

This country is morally bankrupt




https://amp.sacbee.com/news/californ...243977827.html

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Pretty clear at this point that Russia DID meddle in 2016, IS meddling now, and was solicited by and made contact with Trump officials as concluded by a
bipartisan panel:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53830374

Cue the deniers...

When hasn’t Russia meddled in our election and us in theirs?

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

When hasn’t Russia meddled in our election and us in theirs?

Usually election meddling doesn't result in our own president (and his sons) retweeting Russian propaganda. That is until the last four years.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/polit...ach/index.html

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

This country is morally bankrupt




https://amp.sacbee.com/news/californ...243977827.html

Why are inmates fighting fires? Also, why are they willingly going to prison?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Why are inmates fighting fires? Also, why are they willingly going to prison?

Willingly?

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Why are inmates fighting fires? Also, why are they willingly going to prison?

Prisoners are used for all kinds of slave labor in this country.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Prisoners are used for all kinds of slave labor in this country.

I’d call fighting fires heroic.


Forced heroics.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I’d call fighting fires heroic.

Forced heroics.

The type of activity that should be rewarded once these guys are out of jail.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I’d call fighting fires heroic.


Forced heroics.

Too bad they aren’t even allowed to be firemen after they’ve served their time.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Willingly?

They chose to go.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Prisoners are used for all kinds of slave labor in this country.

Yeah I understand picking up trash on highways. But fighting fires seems ridiculous for inmates. But California is weird.

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Too bad they aren’t even allowed to be firemen after they’ve served their time.

There are many jobs you are denied if you have a felony on your record. None of these people are in prison for misdemeanors. It allows them the opportunity to make more money, acquire a skill set that will be attractive to an employer (maybe not all), and make something of themselves.

[TheFrenzy]

We argue over freedom all the time, but justice is the really tricky virtue to work out in a democracy.

Is the goal punishment? Mental or physical or financial punishment?

Is the goal reform and restoration to the community? That would seem to make re-education the primary focus.......which can get brainwashy and dystopian really quick.

Is it just simply to remove bad people from society without any real concern for what happens to them?

Should the guilty be at the mercy of the aggrieved? That's certainly the quickest to wash the State's hands of the matter, but you're going to end up with so many horror stories.

I honestly don't have many fully-developed thoughts on what justice should look like. Every argument seems to have an equally strong counter argument.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by charnick

Contort away, fellas!

[youtube]OgQZExTciQM[outube]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ed4_story.html

https://www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson...nd-90306117878

You dump four YouTube videos and two links into a post and expect anyone to care? L O L

[Corporal Lance]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

We argue over freedom all the time, but justice is the really tricky virtue to work out in a democracy.

Is the goal punishment? Mental or physical or financial punishment?

Is the goal reform and restoration to the community? That would seem to make re-education the primary focus.......which can get brainwashy and dystopian really quick.

Is it just simply to remove bad people from society without any real concern for what happens to them?

Should the guilty be at the mercy of the aggrieved? That's certainly the quickest to wash the State's hands of the matter, but you're going to end up with so many horror stories.

I honestly don't have many fully-developed thoughts on what justice should look like. Every argument seems to have an equally strong counter argument.

There are too many questions to answer here, though in a smoky, late night bar we might discuss them. I appreciate your intelligent input, though.

[babyfaceposey]

Trump 2020 landslide.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They chose to go.

Unlikely they chose prison.