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Old 08-17-2020, 10:38 AM   #26
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:38 AM   #27
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If you know basketball, it is pretty clear that they are a legitimate threat to make it out of the East. You act as if that is a hot take of some sort.
Sure they have a chance if EVERYTHING goes right. Teams on paper are worthless.

Kyrie has never been able to stay healthy.

Durant is coming off a full achilles rupture at 31.

Kyrie has always been terrible in the locker room especially when he's sharing the spotlight with someone else.

I think it's more likely that they get a 3-6 seed than the #1 seed.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:44 AM   #28
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On paper, sure. Two superstars on one team increases the odds that the team will do well. But, the jury is still out on whether:

1. They BOTH stay healthy
2. They BOTH can play together, well.
3. They BOTH are motivated throughout the year to make a serious push

Nothing is guaranteed. If one gets hurt, how will the other react? Do the Nets have role players that can compliment the duo?

All these are question marks that makes me stay away from investing any money in these players/team.
All of those are valid what ifs. All I know is that the team, without their top 4 players, made it to the 7th seed in the east.

Adding two guys who can give you 30+ any given night, and two defensive minded players in Prince and Jordan; I just don’t see why it is so hard to view them as a threat. Not to mention Dinwiddie will be back as well.

I am not a huge fan of KD myself, but he is a top 3 player in the league, and I guess everyone forgot about that. The nets have a good team.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:50 AM   #29
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All of those are valid what ifs. All I know is that the team, without their top 4 players, made it to the 7th seed in the east.

Adding two guys who can give you 30+ any given night, and two defensive minded players in Prince and Jordan; I just don’t see why it is so hard to view them as a threat. Not to mention Dinwiddie will be back as well.

I am not a huge fan of KD myself, but he is a top 3 player in the league, and I guess everyone forgot about that. The nets have a good team.
Sorry but no, even if he were at full health this next season he's not a top 3 player. Top 10, absolutely, top 5... debatable.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:51 AM   #30
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People have def forgotten Durant is a top 2-3 player. Even if he's not 100% his first game back next year [he probably will be] with his skill set he's still a top 10 player added to the Nets starting lineup.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:51 AM   #31
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Sure they have a chance if EVERYTHING goes right. Teams on paper are worthless.

Kyrie has never been able to stay healthy.

Durant is coming off a full achilles rupture at 31.

Kyrie has always been terrible in the locker room especially when he's sharing the spotlight with someone else.

I think it's more likely that they get a 3-6 seed than the #1 seed.
I understand all of that. I guess I am just on the more optimistic side. I won’t be rooting for the Nets, but until proven otherwise, I have to believe that they are a legit threat.

KD and Kyrie handpicked where they wanted to go and have a talented group around them. I just don’t think they are going to screw that up. I mean they are both healthy right now, but they chose not to play so they could be 100% ready for next season.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:53 AM   #32
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Sorry but no, even if he were at full health this next season he's not a top 3 player. Top 10, absolutely, top 5... debatable.
I beg to differ, but to each his own.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:56 AM   #33
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Big KD fan, but not a nets fan. Why would I buy a so called "nets rookie kd card" when I can buy an actual "KD real 2007 RC" for around the same price? Makes 0 sense unless you are a huge nets fan.

I don't see the demand being there. Or if a investor group goes in on it, they will create a bubble on many cards.

I will admit though, if KD won a championship with the Nets, I would want 1 nice card with him in Nets gear but I would not require the 1st nets card by any means.

People are comparing what the LBJ hobby is doing too closely. LBJ is his own beast, he is not comparable in any way to any player. LBJ is in his own stratasphere.
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Old 08-17-2020, 11:21 AM   #34
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Sorry but no, even if he were at full health this next season he's not a top 3 player. Top 10, absolutely, top 5... debatable.
That's a genuine hot take
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:35 PM   #35
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You guys remember when people collected cards because they liked them?

I 'member.
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:43 PM   #36
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You guys remember when people collected cards because they liked them?

I 'member.
I don't remember that, sounds weird. Creating 20 instagram accounts to converse with each other in order to pump up cards you own. That's what it's all about.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:28 PM   #37
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Durant doesn’t have the same hobby love as Lebron, Luka, Giannis, etc. no chance this card carries any premium.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:29 PM   #38
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You guys remember when people collected cards because they liked them?

I 'member.

I grew up collecting every Shaq I could get my hands on. Something about the way he was shattering backboards and smushing opponents was mesmerizing. There were like 30
Rookie cards back in 92 and the chase was REAL. I’m still collecting Centers - Jokic, Towns, Ayton (albeit not as much smushing going on). Feel like I’m the only guy in the world with a big-man focused collection lol.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:32 PM   #39
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That's a genuine hot take
How is that a hot take?

Giannis
LeBron
Kawhi
Luka
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Want to take KD over Luka/AD I'd say you have an argument. I mean, he's not 25 anymore. He's never been better than LeBron, at 31 he's certainly not better than Giannis, and he's not better than Kawhi.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:40 PM   #40
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All of those are valid what ifs. All I know is that the team, without their top 4 players, made it to the 7th seed in the east.

Adding two guys who can give you 30+ any given night, and two defensive minded players in Prince and Jordan; I just don’t see why it is so hard to view them as a threat. Not to mention Dinwiddie will be back as well.

I am not a huge fan of KD myself, but he is a top 3 player in the league, and I guess everyone forgot about that. The nets have a good team.
Let's slow down a little bit here. I am as big of a Nets homer as there is, but:

One of their top 3 players is currently in the bubble leading them. Dinwiddie is their fourth best player, followed by Joe Harris.

DeAndre Jordan should most definitely be behind Allen in the pecking order, and does serve a useful purpose, especially on offense, but this is not the elite-defender of the early/mid 2010's here.

Taurean Prince is an absolute dumpster fire, and has the lowest basketball IQ of any Net in recent memory that I can recall. I will surely be shocked if he is on the roster next season.

Now with that being said, the Nets team has some serious depth and trade pieces to upgrade. Even if KD and Kyrie come back at 85% of what they were before this season, this is a top 3 team in the East, and that is not factoring in the growth of LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, etc.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:51 PM   #41
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I think most Durant stuff is under valued because he has been hurt this year. Out of sight out of mind.
His TC PSA 9s we’re readily available for $200 just a few months ago and are now going $1500+. I’d say people are not sleeping on him
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Let's slow down a little bit here. I am as big of a Nets homer as there is, but:

One of their top 3 players is currently in the bubble leading them. Dinwiddie is their fourth best player, followed by Joe Harris.

DeAndre Jordan should most definitely be behind Allen in the pecking order, and does serve a useful purpose, especially on offense, but this is not the elite-defender of the early/mid 2010's here.

Taurean Prince is an absolute dumpster fire, and has the lowest basketball IQ of any Net in recent memory that I can recall. I will surely be shocked if he is on the roster next season.

Now with that being said, the Nets team has some serious depth and trade pieces to upgrade. Even if KD and Kyrie come back at 85% of what they were before this season, this is a top 3 team in the East, and that is not factoring in the growth of LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, etc.

Bucks, Raptors, Heat.
Nets 4th at best.
Celtics and Sixers could bump them down further.

Gonna get roasted for saying it, but LeVert is the future of that team. Reminiscent of a young Kawhi or Harden on a stacked team before they found their own All Star mojo and stage.
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Old 08-17-2020, 02:13 PM   #43
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Bucks, Raptors, Heat.
Nets 4th at best.
Celtics and Sixers could bump them down further.

Gonna get roasted for saying it, but LeVert is the future of that team. Reminiscent of a young Kawhi or Harden on a stacked team before they found their own All Star mojo and stage.
I can agree with the Bucks and Heat above the Nets assuming Bam/Herro/Nunn do not regress; Dragic is still their 3rd best player to me and is a FA at the end of the season so that is a huge concern.

Raptors? Idk... Lowry will be another year older. FVV, Ibaka, Gasol all FA's at the end of the season, and I doubt all 3 are back. Anunoby has yet to show he can be a consistent threat on offense. Nurse is a great coach, but I'm not sure the you can say the Raptors are a top 5 team in the East next year when 3 of their 5 best players are possibly not returning.

Celtics and Sixers could easily be top 3/4 depending on what happens with Hayward, Simmons/Horford/Harris, etc.


Side note: I am all for the LeVert love at the moment. Makes my Prizm rainbow look better and better.
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