2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by cnewby

how terribly sad and unfortunately, completely expected.

Can be said for many things. Which one are you speaking of?

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Exactly, why would I want to associate myself with a person who is okay with voting for a man who is an outed racist?

BLM, a racist organization? How so?

very anti-Israel... even going as far as specifically excluding Zionists from their marches.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

The same way Trump is one. It's an opinion that is formed on millions of things said, that can be taken one way or another. Do I think he is a racist? I don't know, I can't say yes or no. Do I think BLM is a racist organization? I don't know, I can't say yes or no. The reason why is both have done and said things that make you wonder.

Personally, I do not see BLM has a racist organization as a whole. Of course you'll have some POSs in there (like any group) but, as a whole, it is a movement for equality and doesn't mean to bring other races down. When talking aboutNazis, they are all POSs because they want to bring other people down. See the difference?

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Can be said for many things. Which one are you speaking of?

heelie

[Jgil316]

I had 3 friends (one really close one I knew for a long time and helped him with his business from the ground up) that called me names, swore at me and said horrible things - then blocked my phone number...

All because I didn't support Trump (and this occurred in the last 2 months)

Being single - if you go on dating sites now, women post in the opening line:
"If you do not support Trump do not message me"

or

"If you support Trump, do not message me"

We are SO polarized - and I absolutely blame this on Trump and the current GOP

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by cnewby

how terribly sad and unfortunately, completely expected.

I agree. I am not shocked at people being okay with a leader that holds racist views.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by cnewby

heelie

Ahhh. I was hoping that MLB hadn't announced the season was canceled and I missed it.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I agree. I am not shocked at people being okay with a leader that holds racist views.

The democrats have them as well.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by marl1220

The democrats have them as well.

And I wouldn't vote for them.

I am not anti-Republican. I am anti-Trump Republican (party of being okay with racism or just being straight up racist).

Huge difference.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I had 3 friends (one really close one I knew for a long time and healed him with his business from the ground up) that called me names, swore at me and said horrible things - then blocked my phone number...

All because I didn't support Trump (and this occurred in the last 2 months)

Being single - if you go on dating sites now, women post in the opening line:
"If you do not support Trump do not message me"

or

"If you support Trump, do not message me"

We are SO polarized - and I absolutely blame this on Trump and the current GOP

[free2131]

There are some people who voted for Trump who only do it because they always vote Republican (and those who would never vote for Trump because they only vote Democrat). There are some people who voted for Trump because they were tired of career politicians and wanted someone outside of Washington to run the country. There are some people who voted for Trump because they pay no attention to politics at all and thought he was funny on The Apprentice and had heard his name before.

There are also people who voted for Trump because they thought that having Republicans in office would be good for their bottom line insofar as the stock market or other financial reasons. Republicans have historically been good for corporations and are generally against any kind of regulations of the financial sector.

There are plenty of reasons people voted for Trump besides being racist, bad people. However, living in the deep South like I have my entire life, I also know that a ton of racist, bigoted, and overall shitty human beings voted for and love Trump. Many of them were excited that white people were back in control (I was told this by several different people including members of my own family). They are the ones who can look at what kind of man Trump is and not only be okay with having him in for another term, but for that to be the main reason they want him in for another term.

As a man, Trump is narcissistic, power hungry, insecure person who surrounds himself with sycophantic yes men because he can't bear to hear that what he says and does isn't 100% brilliant. I haven't even fully decided if he really is racist or if he just says what he thinks his "base" wants to hear so they will cheer and adore him.

So, no, not everyone who voted for or will vote for Trump is racist or a bad person. A lot of them are, however.

Everything I said applies to the people who are looking past Biden's flaws and allegations of sexual misconduct as well. I can't call someone who is a sexual predator (like I believe Biden to be) a good person and I can't in good conscious vote for someone like that. Gun to my head, if I had to choose one to run our country, it would Biden solely because of the people he would surround himself with in his administration. I still don't think I can vote for him.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I agree it's a joke. Like I have said multiple times, I don't like Trump. But I see him as being like alcohol. He doesn't make people do/say things they don't mean. He just brings out their true selves.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I agree it's a joke. Like I have said multiple times, I don't like Trump. But I see him as being like alcohol. He doesn't make people do/say things they don't mean. He just brings out their true selves.

Yup - and we're seeing it here.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by cnewby

There has always been divisiveness in politics, on that I believe we can all agree.

When Trump took office - this is when the rhetoric was taken up to levels hardly seen before. How many tweets, rallies or impromptu speeches rail against the Democrats? The GOP took that and upped their game and YES the Democrats did as well.

Divide and conquer is what I see as his plan.... Where as each president in my lifetime has always attempted to unite.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I agree it's a joke. Like I have said multiple times, I don't like Trump. But I see him as being like alcohol. He doesn't make people do/say things they don't mean. He just brings out their true selves.

He absolutely brings the true self out of a person. 110%.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

He absolutely brings the true self out of a person. 110%.

Absolutely - he has emboldened racists, emboldened name calling of people who don't believe the way he thinks
He emboldened people to attack reporters at his rallies

And he also emboldened the other side - and people like AOC (who thinks her $hit doesn't stink)


As it is now - the country is split in 2 - one one side you have Trump and his supporters who claim to be patriots fighting against socialism ...... on the other side you have his opposition and those supporters who say they are patriots and are fighting against a dictatorship/facism



You have sides dug in that will not move and try to show the other side - why they are wrong. Crazy times for sure - and we still have this little thing called Covid kicking about

[MattDMC]

And Whitmer has now made it a misdemeanor punishable by up to a $500 fine for not wearing a mask.

"Lansing, Mich. (WLNS) — Governor Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive order today mandating everyone to wear a face mask when they are inside a public space.

It also requires the use of face maskin crowded outdoor spaces. Most significantly, the order requires any business that is open to the public to refuse entry or service to people who refuse to wear a face mask, with limited exceptions.

Those who are exempt from wearing a mask in Michigan businesses include people younger than five years old, those who cannot medically tolerate a face covering, and those who are eating or drinking while seated at a food service establishment.

A willful violation of the order is a misdemeanor subject to a $500 criminal penalty, but no term of confinement may be imposed on individuals who violate the mask requirement."

https://www.wlns.com/news/michigan/w...Fwnr4Bo48zmy54

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Exactly, there's a segment that will always vote D and always vote R. If Trump ran as a Democrat, those people that didn't vote for him... would have.

Some people I know vote on 1 or 2 really important issues to them. They vote on an issue not people. Many of them think Trump is as much a joke as I do.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

If a person is cool with him and his racist beliefs, then I am fine with calling it out. If he didn't pander to his racist base (and accepting outside interference to help win an election) then, whatever, he is a dumbazz POTUS who would be replaced in 4 or 8 years. I can live with that. However, I cannot give any support with people who want to keep other people down due to skin, religion, sexual orientation, etc. It doesn't work for me and I will always call that BS out.

Like I stated many times before; I have many friends and some family of different creeds, colors, religion, sexual orientation, etc. If you are a good person and have one of those qualities, I am cool with you. If you have one of those qualities and not a good person, I will always bust that person up in every legal way I can.

Can you give any examples of policies the President champions that favors one race over another?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by MattDMC

And Whitmer has now made it a misdemeanor punishable by up to a $500 fine for not wearing a mask.

"Lansing, Mich. (WLNS) — Governor Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive order today mandating everyone to wear a face mask when they are inside a public space.

It also requires the use of face maskin crowded outdoor spaces. Most significantly, the order requires any business that is open to the public to refuse entry or service to people who refuse to wear a face mask, with limited exceptions.

Those who are exempt from wearing a mask in Michigan businesses include people younger than five years old, those who cannot medically tolerate a face covering, and those who are eating or drinking while seated at a food service establishment.

A willful violation of the order is a misdemeanor subject to a $500 criminal penalty, but no term of confinement may be imposed on individuals who violate the mask requirement."

https://www.wlns.com/news/michigan/w...Fwnr4Bo48zmy54

And my biggest issue... businesses are still expected to operate at less capacity or even stay closed. Yet, masks are suppose to be this great thing?

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I am shocked that you work in a school system and do not know the symptoms of stuttering. What is even worse is the lack of empathy for those who have stuttering issues. I think most people with an illness get frustrated time to time. What do you think about Trump when he rage tweets several times a month?

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The stress caused by stuttering may show up in the following symptoms:

-physical changes like facial tics, lip tremors, excessive eye blinking, and ------tension in the face and upper body
-frustration when attempting to communicate
-hesitation or pausing before starting to speak
-refusal to speak
-interjections of extra sounds or words into sentences, such as “uh” or “um”
-repetition of words or phrases
-tension in the voice
-rearrangement of words in a sentence
-making long sounds with words, such as “My name is Amaaaaaaanda”


https://www.healthline.com/health/stuttering#symptoms

https://www.asha.org/stuttering/#signs

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And you still vote for a guy who makes fun of people with disabilities:

Ugh, he used the same exact mannerisms to make fun of other people that were not disabled.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Whether he’s hiding or not has no real impact at this point. He’s positioned himself as “the quiet guy” already. Hell, even Trump calls him “Sleepy Joe” and positioned him the same way. That moniker is already stuck.

How do you even campaign against Biden at this point? I honestly have no clue. It seems the only thing I really hear about are the Biden gaffes, which the vast majority don’t care about. You can’t really label Biden as anything but milquetoast, which I’d argue is what the majority of people want especially given the year we’ve had up to this point.

Trump positioned himself as anti-establishment in 2016 and that was what the country was looking for at the time so it worked. I’m pretty positive the country just wants to go back to sleep so “Sleepy Joe” works.

I agree. Creepy Joe is much better than Sleepy Joe.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I had 3 friends (one really close one I knew for a long time and helped him with his business from the ground up) that called me names, swore at me and said horrible things - then blocked my phone number...

All because I didn't support Trump (and this occurred in the last 2 months)

Being single - if you go on dating sites now, women post in the opening line:
"If you do not support Trump do not message me"

or

"If you support Trump, do not message me"

We are SO polarized - and I absolutely blame this on Trump and the current GOP

Blames Trump. Couldn't be that Democrats have gone after Trump from day one that have caused this?

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by cnewby

busted.

Sure, I made the deliberate choice to move away from full-time practice because of massive stress, a complete and utter lack of free time, and a pointed lack of life satisfaction.

Many attorneys burn out after 5-10 years for all those reasons and others. Money can only gloss over a miserable profession for so long. But you guys know all, so believe what you wish. My life is good now, except for the fact that this country is burdened by a selfish moron for a president.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by preakness

The dude got mad at teleprompter because it was too long and he stumbled on lines and then got confused

Trump just needs to be normal at debate (is that even possible) and then turn and look at camera and say "Seriously America?" when Biden messes up

Biden has a stuttering problem. He's had it for years. I'm sure you will laugh and mock him, because that is what you and your ilk do...stay classy