2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

That's what I had always thought... it was about not overwhelming hospitals and everyone getting sick at once. Except that's not happening, so I'm a little confused. It's also difficult to get a message to resonate regarding social distancing when political leaders are taking active roles in protests. Bro... I'm watching you play grab ass with 100k people... but I can't throw myself a birthday party without a permit? Now we've got half the population convinced that anyone who leaves the house without a mask on is evil. Breathing air unrestricted is now considered a crime by society.
What a mess.

I agree, if you want to mandate masks because they are so great, fine, then open up.

If the 65+ crowd is by far the issue, then let's protect them at a better rate than we have been. You don't quarantine the healthy.

My friend is a nurse in Atlanta, and her grandma (89 years old) died from this. She has made it very clear that the virus is real, and it is seems more serious than other viruses, but she has no clue on why we are still shut down. She said the biggest issue she has seen is people are going into ERs to get tested, that's not what ERs are for. She also said she has seen people that are coming to the hospital because they are testing positive but have no symptoms, or are afraid so they go to the hospital. Again, she's not doubting the virus, just the actions of the people and she blames the media for a lot of it. So much fear.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by cnewby

busted.

Didn't make partner. It happens.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Cases lead to deaths. We are already seeing that this week as deaths are again trending up over 25% from last week. Obviously we can not avoid having people die but there are different tolerance levels for how many is acceptable. Staying ahead of it is the name of the game.

These are not easy decisions either way even without political influence.

Yes but unless hospitals aren't overwhelmed, then why stay shut down? Michigan barely had a hospital overran in April, but it did happen. What are the chances it happens again? A vast majority are being safer than they were in march, doctors are handling this better, and there are more treatments out there. The chances are slim to none, I'd say.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Yes but unless hospitals aren't overwhelmed, then why stay shut down? Michigan barely had a hospital overran in April, but it did happen. What are the chances it happens again? A vast majority are being safer than they were in march, doctors are handling this better, and there are more treatments out there. The chances are slim to none, I'd say.

And younger people are testing positive at a much larger rate than before.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Boo

All large gatherings in NYC canceled until Sept, except BLM marches/protests due to Covid.

Him and Trump I swear are fighting for the biggest tool in shed.

[btmcrushers]

Mainstream Media Headline (Yahoo News): Federal Officials Reportedly 'Worried' Epstein Associate Ghislaine Maxwell May Attempt to Kill Herself

Realistic Headline: Federal Officials Reportedly Worried Epstein Associate Ghislaine Maxwell May Attempt to "Kill Herself"

Media just trying to set the stage for the "Well, we warned you what would happen" narrative.

I hope she passed all the evidence on to someone in the event something were to happen to her. Though if she did that person has already probably died in a tragic car "accident" or home invasion.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Yes but unless hospitals aren't overwhelmed, then why stay shut down? Michigan barely had a hospital overran in April, but it did happen. What are the chances it happens again? A vast majority are being safer than they were in march, doctors are handling this better, and there are more treatments out there. The chances are slim to none, I'd say.

Why because the science and data is showing that certain activities lead to what we are seeing happen in other States where cases jumped, hospitals started filling up and now deaths are increasing. Some Governors want to avoid that. It is too late once you realize it is happening and can measure it. I think a reasonable conversation can be had about opening as much as possible and doing some simple things to avoid mass transmission.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Boo

And younger people are testing positive at a much larger rate than before.

Yep. And I cannot ignore the fact that we spent 3 to 5 months with the virus in America... and we didn't bat an eye. Why was it okay to have hundreds of thousands of people in Miami for the Super Bowl? Or 200,000 people in Daytona for the 500 a couple weeks later? We had stadiums and arenas all across the country, packed all the way up until the middle of March. Why was that okay, but now it's not? Did the virus not start spreading until we shut down?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Why because the science and data is showing that certain activities lead to what we are seeing happen in other States where cases jumped, hospitals started filling up and now deaths are increasing. Some Governors want to avoid that. It is too late once you realize it is happening and can measure it. I think a reasonable conversation can be had about opening as much as possible and doing some simple things to avoid mass transmission.

You don't shut down over deaths, if that was the case, you'd have the speed limit be 25 mph, and fast food joints across the country close down. So, threatening to scale back a phase, like Michigan is doing, makes no sense.

There needs to be a discussion about how to protect the one's that need to be protected. It's already better, but can we make it better than better? Who cares if a bunch of college kids get this, "BuT ThEy CaN SpReAd It To GrAnDma!" Well, if grandma is protected well, then that's okay. If the at risk is protected well, then great. If you want to make a mask mandate and open up, then great. Don't threaten to make a mask mandate, AND scale back, you won't get people to listen.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

You don't shut down over deaths, if that was the case, you'd have the speed limit be 25 mph, and fast food joints across the country close down. So, threatening to scale back a phase, like Michigan is doing, makes no sense.

In your scenario there would be no speed limits.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by preakness

The dude got mad at teleprompter because it was too long and he stumbled on lines and then got confused

Trump just needs to be normal at debate (is that even possible) and then turn and look at camera and say "Seriously America?" when Biden messes up

I am shocked that you work in a school system and do not know the symptoms of stuttering. What is even worse is the lack of empathy for those who have stuttering issues. I think most people with an illness get frustrated time to time. What do you think about Trump when he rage tweets several times a month?

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-frustration when attempting to communicate
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-refusal to speak
-interjections of extra sounds or words into sentences, such as “uh” or “um”
-repetition of words or phrases
-tension in the voice
-rearrangement of words in a sentence
-making long sounds with words, such as “My name is Amaaaaaaanda”


https://www.healthline.com/health/stuttering#symptoms

https://www.asha.org/stuttering/#signs

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And you still vote for a guy who makes fun of people with disabilities:

[TheHeel]

Trump finally smartens up and will wear a mask.

Trump says he'll wear mask during upcoming trip to Walter Reed

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...to-walter-reed


My bar is so low for this clown that I am giving him props because he will wear a mask. I think I have 3 things on my list that he did well (for society as a whole):
1. Not retaliate after Iran bombed our base in Iraq last January.
2. Pressure on drug makers to produce drugs here and not in China.
3. Wearing a mask.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

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I've gotta hand it to biden: He's running an effective campaign so far. He's keeping quiet and selectively taking pot shots at trump when applicable. (which is fairly easy to do as trump keeps dropping the ball repeatedly)


But he can't hide forever. He's going to have to expose himself at some point. That's when I think the voters will decide he just isn't there mentally and they will vote for trump because they at least know what he is.




Edit: depending on who biden picks for his VP might be the game changer.

Whether he’s hiding or not has no real impact at this point. He’s positioned himself as “the quiet guy” already. Hell, even Trump calls him “Sleepy Joe” and positioned him the same way. That moniker is already stuck.

How do you even campaign against Biden at this point? I honestly have no clue. It seems the only thing I really hear about are the Biden gaffes, which the vast majority don’t care about. You can’t really label Biden as anything but milquetoast, which I’d argue is what the majority of people want especially given the year we’ve had up to this point.

Trump positioned himself as anti-establishment in 2016 and that was what the country was looking for at the time so it worked. I’m pretty positive the country just wants to go back to sleep so “Sleepy Joe” works.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by pac213up

In your scenario there would be no speed limits.

I guess it depends on what everyone does on the road haha.

[Jgil316]

I am absolutely looking forward to the debates between these two men.

I wonder what the rules will be - on what can not be brought up, for each of them?

[marl1220]

Once again, liberals trying to ruin someone's life because of their political beliefs. This is disgusting behavior from our so called leaders.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/busin...ump/index.html

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Whether he’s hiding or not has no real impact at this point. He’s positioned himself as “the quiet guy” already. Hell, even Trump calls him “Sleepy Joe” and positioned him the same way. That moniker is already stuck.

How do you even campaign against Biden at this point? I honestly have no clue. It seems the only thing I really hear about are the Biden gaffes, which the vast majority don’t care about. You can’t really label Biden as anything but milquetoast, which I’d argue is what the majority of people want especially given the year we’ve had up to this point.

Trump positioned himself as anti-establishment in 2016 and that was what the country was looking for at the time so it worked. I’m pretty positive the country just wants to go back to sleep so “Sleepy Joe” works.

From what his campaign has stated, Biden has been quiet due to the pandemic coupled with the fact that Trump is digging his own hole with his boisterous and ill-tempered voice. Believe it or not, that's a choice an individual will have to make for themselves.

Did anyone watch Biden during his speech yesterday in Pennsylvania? He was articulate and well-spoken the whole time he gave his speech on economic recovery. His mannerisms of speaking to a crowd rivaled Obama's way of speaking to crowds.

I think Biden's VP choice is the most important factor in him winning this election. Just my sh!tty opinion - If Biden wins, he will groom the VP for 2024 because he will step down and enjoy his remaining years.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Once again, liberals trying to ruin someone's life because of their political beliefs. This is disgusting behavior from our so called leaders.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/busin...ump/index.html

This boycott started before AOC tweeted........ BTW - I can not wait for her to be voted out

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Once again, liberals trying to ruin someone's life because of their political beliefs. This is disgusting behavior from our so called leaders.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/busin...ump/index.html

I will bite on this one. Maybe I am wrong but when has this ever been an issue prior to 2016? My sh!tty opinion (as well as many other people) is that if you are with Trump, you are down with his beliefs.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Once again, liberals trying to ruin someone's life because of their political beliefs. This is disgusting behavior from our so called leaders.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/busin...ump/index.html

It's disgusting to see, they are basically saying, "If you vote for Trump, you deserve to have nothing."

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I will bite on this one. Maybe I am wrong but when has this ever been an issue prior to 2016? My sh!tty opinion (as well as many other people) is that if you are with Trump, you are down with his beliefs.

So it makes it OK? I'm far from being a Trump fan. He's unfit to hold the office of POTUS. But I know fascist behavior when I see it.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by marl1220

So it makes it OK? I'm far from being a Trump fan. He's unfit to hold the office of POTUS. But I know fascist behavior when I see it.

So is Trump a fascist?

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

It's disgusting to see, they are basically saying, "If you vote for Trump, you deserve to have nothing."

I don't like Trump in the least. But going after supporters is just wrong.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by pac213up

So is Trump a fascist?

The whataboutism is strong with this one.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by pac213up

So is Trump a fascist?

He certainly displays that behavior at times. What does that have to do with my original post?